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Car Forum / Audi Cars / October 2006

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engine light vag 17544 02/02

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chewb40 - 05 Oct 2006 01:46 GMT
i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap one)
and the code came up with
17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks
daytripper - 05 Oct 2006 02:10 GMT
>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap one)
>and the code came up with
>17544 02/02 can someone shed some light on what this mean? thanks

SAE P1136    VAG 17544    MIL: 2 Dcy

Long Term Fuel Trim Add.
Fuel, Bank1  System too Lean.

Check intake air system for leaks ("false air")
Check HO2S -G39- and O2S control
Check Mass Air Flow (MAF) Sensor -G70-
Check fuel pressure regulator and residual fuel pressure
Check fuel injectors; Output Diagnostic Test Mode (DTM)

If you can't find any air leaks, and you're on your original MAF, check the
adaptation values for the MAF and look for adaptation outside of allowed
range. MAF failures are not uncommon...

Cheers

/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
chewb40 - 05 Oct 2006 02:25 GMT
sorry for such a dump question but where the the MAF located. is it easy to
replace?

>>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap one)
>>and the code came up with
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> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
daytripper - 05 Oct 2006 02:55 GMT
>>>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap one)
>>>and the code came up with
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>sorry for such a dump question but where the the MAF located. is it easy to
>replace?

Look at this image:

http://home.comcast.net/~day_trippr/junkdrawer/1p8l_maf.gif

The MAF is item 7 in this figure. It is located in the upper air cleaner
housing. It shouldn't be physically difficult to remove and replace, but
you'll need to run an adaptation cycle on it, which your tool may not be
capable of doing...

/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
daytripper - 05 Oct 2006 03:04 GMT
>>>>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap one)
>>>>and the code came up with
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>/daytripper
>'00 s4 6spd

fwiw, I put a close-up diagram of the MAF location here:

http://home.comcast.net/~day_trippr/junkdrawer/1p8l_maf_closeup.gif

The items shown are as follows:

1- wastegate bypass regulator valve -N75-
2- Evaporative Emissions (EVAP) purge regulator valve -N80-
3- power output stage -N122-
4- Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor -G70-

You'll need to remove the air cleaner housing to extract the MAF. This means
you'll likely have to disconnect the above four items and pull the hoses off
the housing to remove it.

/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
chewb40 - 05 Oct 2006 03:22 GMT
from your previous diagnostic maybe i should just take it to a mechanic just
to make sure it's more than the MAF is the problem. i know its going to cost
me more money
but i have no way of checking if there's any air leaks..etc

> On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 21:55:12 -0400, daytripper
> <day_trippr@REMOVEyahoo.com>
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> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
chewb40 - 05 Oct 2006 03:04 GMT
thanks but if i dont have the adaptation tool should i just bring it to a
mechanic
or this is something i can purchase?

>>>>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap
>>>>one)
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> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
daytripper - 05 Oct 2006 03:14 GMT
>>>>>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap
>>>>>one)
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>> /daytripper
>> '00 s4 6spd

>thanks but if i dont have the adaptation tool should i just bring it to a
>mechanic or this is something i can purchase?

By "tool" I am referring to the diagnostic scan tool. I use VAG-COM, a
mainline dealer uses the official Audi/VW tool (1551, 1552, and others).
These tools are capable of performing adaptation cycles, coding units to
vehicles, clearing DTCs, setting readiness bits, etc, as well as diagnosing
problems.

The actual source of this particular problem can very likely be determined
with proper use of a capable scan tool. I flagged the MAF because they do
fail, more frequently than the other items on the potential list of indictees.
But I wouldn't simply replace it, because the problem may well not be the MAF.

I would let a qualified mainline service department work on this one...

/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd
chewb40 - 05 Oct 2006 03:27 GMT
i agree...thanks for your help and i will let you know what the problem
is...

>>>>>>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap
>>>>>>one)
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> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
chewb40 - 06 Oct 2006 01:53 GMT
i took it to the mechanic and they mentioned that they need to smoke it to
find out where the leak is..hopefully this is not going to cost me a lot of
money
>i agree...thanks for your help and i will let you know what the problem
>is...
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>> /daytripper
>> '00 s4 6spd
Tony - 06 Oct 2006 06:16 GMT
That should be a relatively cheap test. They use a device that injects smoke
into one of the vacuum lines. When the see the smoke coming out somewhere they
have found the leak.

> i took it to the mechanic and they mentioned that they need to smoke it to
> find out where the leak is..hopefully this is not going to cost me a lot of
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>>>/daytripper
>>>'00 s4 6spd
daytripper - 06 Oct 2006 06:22 GMT
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And if they do it according to the Audi manual, they'll have ECU instrumented
when they do it...

/daytripper
'00 s4 6spd

>That should be a relatively cheap test. They use a device that injects smoke
>into one of the vacuum lines. When the see the smoke coming out somewhere they
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>>>>/daytripper
>>>>'00 s4 6spd
Art M - 06 Oct 2006 17:04 GMT
I had a 17544 code and a bad, fluctuating idle.
Mine was caused by a clogged "PCV" valve due to sludge. $17 part fixed it.
It was causing an internal leak (crankcase gasses into intake manifold).
picture here:
http://members.cox.net/ambox/audi_sludge/#CrankcaseVentilationAndOtherEnginePeri
pherals

story here:
http://www.audifans.com/pipermail/a4/2006-January/001680.html

Probably not likely to be what's wrong with yours, but an easy way to test
for this would be to remove the hose (part #10 in that picture) from the
valve where it connects to the manifold and plug that manifold hole and see
if the idle improves.

Also to check for vacuum leaks I had read online that you can remove the big
hose that goes into the air cleaner housing and blow into it. I have no idea
whether that really works. When I blew into it, it took about 10 seconds for
the pressure equalize (hissing of escaping air to stop). (I didn't have an
external vacuum leak.)

--Art

>>i have a 1999 audi 1.8T the engine light went on. I have a VAG(cheap one)
>>and the code came up with
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> /daytripper
> '00 s4 6spd
chewb40 - 07 Oct 2006 03:55 GMT
well got the car back and yes there was a leak.
80.00 for the test
80.00 to replace the host and of course + taxes......

just wanted to say thank you everyone
>I had a 17544 code and a bad, fluctuating idle.
> Mine was caused by a clogged "PCV" valve due to sludge. $17 part fixed it.
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>> /daytripper
>> '00 s4 6spd
 
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