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2001 A4 motor problems

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T_Diver@hotmail.com - 27 Jul 2007 11:03 GMT
I have a 2001 A$ with the 1.8 turbo.  My engine died the other day and
wouldn't start.  I had it towed and the mechanic says no compression.  
He thinks the gear spun on the upper camshaft.  The timing belt didn't
jump and it still lines up correctly.  Probably tke chain driven cam
out.  Do you think it caused major engine damage?  The engine spins when
you try to start.  I didn't hear any abnormal noise like valves hitting
pistons, etc.  He wants 4-5 grand to install used engine.  Any
suggestions are welcomed.
dave AKA vwdoc1 - 27 Jul 2007 13:20 GMT
I listened to a 2002 or 2003 V6 engine that wouldn't start.  To me it
sounded like the timing belt had broken since it sounded like it had no
compression.  It was towed to the dealer, under warranty, and the engine was
only flooded.

Hope that is your case.  Easy to see if the gear spun by pulling off the
valve cover.

If your vehicle was purchased new didn't you get a 10 year 100K mile
warranty on the powertrain?

Good luck!
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dave
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>I have a 2001 A$ with the 1.8 turbo.  My engine died the other day and
> wouldn't start.  I had it towed and the mechanic says no compression.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> pistons, etc.  He wants 4-5 grand to install used engine.  Any
> suggestions are welcomed.
Madesio - 27 Jul 2007 18:21 GMT
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:03:45 +0000, T_Diver wrote:

> I have a 2001 A$ with the 1.8 turbo.  My engine died the other day and
> wouldn't start.  I had it towed and the mechanic says no compression.  
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> pistons, etc.  He wants 4-5 grand to install used engine.  Any
> suggestions are welcomed.

Likely you have carbon buildup on your valves. Keep cranking the engine
while holding down the throttle until the car starts. A few quick pumps on
the throttle bringing up the rpm should clear it out. It's a common thing
for the valves to stick causing no compression on these engines. Try to
use premium octane gas after you get it started to help keep things clean.
T_Diver@hotmail.com - 27 Jul 2007 22:10 GMT
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:03:45 +0000, T_Diver wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> for the valves to stick causing no compression on these engines. Try to
> use premium octane gas after you get it started to help keep things clean.

I had a mechanic look at it and he thinks the gear on the intake cam is
out of sync.  He wants to put in a new engine because he thinks the
valves are all bent and the pistons destroyed.  He didn't take the head
off, so how can he be sure of the damage?  I towed it home and will take
the head off myself and look.
Any other suggestions or comments are welcomed.  Thanks
dave AKA vwdoc1 - 28 Jul 2007 01:07 GMT
>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:03:45 +0000, T_Diver wrote:
>>
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> the head off myself and look.
> Any other suggestions or comments are welcomed.  Thanks
dave AKA vwdoc1 - 28 Jul 2007 01:19 GMT
1.8t?  V6 or ???
triple check before replacing the engine
I find that mechanic's diagnosis a little hard to believe.
I would suggest a leak down test.  That might help determine what is wrong
and where the compression is disappearing to.

So could an oil sludge problem cause this also?

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dave
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>> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:03:45 +0000, T_Diver wrote:
>>
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> the head off myself and look.
> Any other suggestions or comments are welcomed.  Thanks
Madesio - 28 Jul 2007 07:28 GMT
On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:10:36 +0000, T_Diver wrote:

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>  I had a mechanic look at it and he thinks the gear on the intake cam is
> out of sync.

Though I've come across broken camshaft key-ways on occasion, it's not a
fairly common problem. Lack of oil pressure seizing the camshafts was
usually the case in those circumstances.

Remove the upper plastic timing belt cover. Line up the camshaft sprocket
and the crankshaft pulley to their corresponding timing marks. Remove
the bolt holding camshaft sprocket (don't worry the sprocket will remain
there as long as you don't pull it off). Get yourself a mirror and verify
that the key-way is where it's supposed to be. If it is, refer to my other
post.
T_Diver@hotmail.com - 30 Jul 2007 22:59 GMT
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:10:36 +0000, T_Diver wrote:
>
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> that the key-way is where it's supposed to be. If it is, refer to my other
> post.

Thanks for your reply.  I have not been able to find your other post.  
You sound very knowledgable and I will follow your advice.  I ordered a
manual to help along.  I don't trust these mechanics.  I think they just
want to replace a motor and make some cash.  The only way to know for
sure is open the motor I suppose.
If it's not too much trouble could you advise me what you wrote in your
other post?  Thanks for your help.
Madesio - 31 Jul 2007 00:32 GMT
On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:59:40 +0000, T_Diver wrote:

> Thanks for your reply.  I have not been able to find your other post.
> You sound very knowledgable and I will follow your advice.  I ordered a
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> If it's not too much trouble could you advise me what you wrote in your
> other post?  Thanks for your help.

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From: Madesio <email@invalid.address>
Subject: Re: 2001 A4 motor problems
Newsgroups: alt.autos.audi
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On Fri, 27 Jul 2007 10:03:45 +0000, T_Diver wrote:

>I have a 2001 A$ with the 1.8 turbo.  My engine died the other day and
>wouldn't start.  I had it towed and the mechanic says no compression.  
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>pistons, etc.  He wants 4-5 grand to install used engine.  Any
>suggestions are welcomed.

Likely you have carbon buildup on your valves. Keep cranking the engine
while holding down the throttle until the car starts. A few quick pumps on
the throttle bringing up the rpm should clear it out. It's a common thing
for the valves to stick causing no compression on these engines. Try to
use premium octane gas after you get it started to help keep things clean.
 
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