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R8 and Pocono

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Dave LaCourse - 17 Oct 2007 02:19 GMT
I arrived at the track this morning at 8 a.m. and headed straight for
the R8s.  They had four of them - two Tiptronic and two manuals.
Absolutely gorgeous!  Lots of pictures that I hope to post an url to
later.

After a 30 minute classroom session talking about Quattro and driving
dynamics, we piled into 11 A4s A6s, and A3s for steering exercise.
Twenty two in the class, two students/car, switching places after a
few "laps" of the parking lot.  Not really exciting..... infact,
down-right boring, but......

Second exercise was an emergency lane change without brakes using A6s.
The class broke up into three sections.  This exercise is a standard
in most driving schools and not too challenging.  

Next our team of 6 souls was off to the auto cross exercise.  Three
different cars:  The A3 (best times), the A8L (very impressive
handling for such a large car), and the Q7 with the 4.2L engine.  We
each got three runs with all three cars.  Lots of fun.

Then, back to the front straightaway of Pocono for an emergency lane
change *with* brakes driving A4s with the 3.2L engine.  We could brake
anytime after we got in "the box" (group of cones arranged on either
side of a lane leading to an "accident" (cones laid on their side in
the traffic lane).  Again, this is a standard excercise at lots of
different drivin schools, but it was fun to wait until the very last
second to apply the brakes.

Off to get our helmets for the main track exercise with both the RS4
and the R8.  I take an XXL wearing a ballaclava (head sock).  Did I
ever tell you I hate helmets.  I know they are necessary and have a
job to do, but I despise them.  

The RS4 is a wonderful machine, not as quick as my RS6, but it would
lose the RS6 in the twisties.  This exercise was a lead and follow.
The instructor was in an S5 (in Arrest-Me Red).  We went through turn
1 at Pocono and then hard on the brakes, stay to the right next to the
wall, down shift to 3rd and a sharp left onto the infield.  There were
two turns, but I made it into one sweeping one, on the gas, then quick
braking and a 90 degree turn to the left, accelerate at the apex while
still in 3rd, then hard on the brakes for a carousel type turn, hit
the apex and hard on the gas to the turn-out, to the right for another
left hand turn at speed, small straight-away, little braking, then
hard on the gas back onto the Raceway and turn 1.  All of this
following the instructor very closely (3 car lengths!).

We started out going a max speed of about 60 on the raceway (4th
gear), and ended up doing around 95.  The instructor took us up to max
speed gradually on each lap.  I was very impressed with how easily the
RS4 turned in after jumping on the brakes for the first turn into the
infield.  Great fun.

Then it was my partner's turn and I sat in the right seat cheering her
on.  She did well and it was also loads of fun sitting in the right
seat.

The R8:  What can I say?  Absolutely beautiful to look at.  Engine
under glass.  When you drive it you have a sense of its power looming
behind you.  Lots of room in the cabin (for two, of course), and four
bags of groceries, or a set of golf clubs, or a wader bag and a couple
of fly rod tubes behind the seats.  No squwenching an adult sideways
ala the Porsche 911.

Same exercise, only we started at about 80 on Turn 1 and worked our
way up to about 115.  Hard on the brakes for the first turn-in, close
to the wall, downshift with the paddle (the engine blips to match the
speed just like you *should* do with a manual).  This car, the R8, is
absolutely unbelievable in the twisties.  I was amazed at how it
handled, especially after driving the RS4 at speed.  In the  turn
after the carousel turn I could get the car in a four wheel drift to
the right by simply using the gas pedal.  I should mention that we are
doing this with only about 3 car lengths between me and the instructor
I am following.  I think I did five laps, but you could probably
convince me I only did 3, or maybe 7.  My mind was not on counting
laps.

Back to the starting gate and switch drivers.  I had picked up a new
driver because I "scared" my female partner in the RS4 exercise.  She
didn't want to go that fast.  d;o)  Not a peep out of this new
partner.  Off we went again following the instructor at about 3 car
lengths (imagine that at 115 mph!).  When I was driving my senses were
pre-occupied with driving.  When sitting in the right seat going
through Turn 1 (banked) at 115 mph, I suddenly became very aware of
the Gs we were pulling.  With the heavy helmet on, I gave into the Gs
and let my head rest against the window.  Hey, I'm an old man (70)!

After my partner did his five laps, we returned  to the helmet shed,
turned in the helmets, and proceeded back to the auto-cross area where
a 3.2 L TT was waiting for us.  We each got two laps of the course we
were familiar with from the previous excercise with the A3, A8L, and
Q7. but this time we would be times.  I took the fastest lap of my six
person group, beating out a young fellow by 1/100 of a sec.  It was
also the 2nd fasted time of all 22 drivers.

At 12:15 or so, we returned to the barn, parked the school cars, and
went inside for a very nice lunch.  All in all it was the best Audi
driving experience I have been too (two Audi Hands On in the 80s, and
a Driving Experience two years ago at Road Atlanta.)  I was very
impressed with the amount of cars Audi supplied for the exercises, and
the amount of different models.  A first class presentation.  I
couldn't have expected less from Audi.

The downer for the day was having to drive back to Massachusetts and
face all the New York and Connecticut left lane bandits.  At one point
in NY, I passed fifteen cars who were in the go fast lane, all going
at or about the speed limit.  They reminded me of sheep going to
slaughter.

My R8 should arrive in about a year. In the meantime, I have decided
to go to the Audi Sports Car Experience at Infinity Raceway in Sonoma,
California.  One full day in the R8!   I am sold!  

Dave
03 RS6
BIC - 17 Oct 2007 06:05 GMT
>I arrived at the track this morning at 8 a.m. and headed straight for
> the R8s.  They had four of them - two Tiptronic and two manuals.
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> Dave
> 03 RS6

its a pity when they show these cars on the TV being evaluated, they are
shown at their full potential but when we drive them on the roads its 30,
40, 50, 60 and 70 otherwise there goes the old licence............and then
£100k sits on the drive or goes on ebay.

Its even more of a downer for most in the States cos the roads are soooooo
straight.

Nice car though it was on our top gear during the week and old clarky just
loved it...........and he takes some convincing.
Dave LaCourse - 17 Oct 2007 12:52 GMT
>its a pity when they show these cars on the TV being evaluated, they are
>shown at their full potential but when we drive them on the roads its 30,
>40, 50, 60 and 70 otherwise there goes the old licence............and then
>£100k sits on the drive or goes on ebay.

That's what tracks are for.  I have no problem exercising my RS6.
But, it is true that unless you live in Germany, the full potential of
the vehicle is never met.

Dave
James Teaky - 18 Oct 2007 08:51 GMT
> That's what tracks are for.  I have no problem exercising my RS6.
> But, it is true that unless you live in Germany, the full potential of
> the vehicle is never met.

Though I can understand why people would think otherwise - driving in
Germany is no more fun than in the UK - it can actually be less fun. At
least where I live (around Cologne) the motorways are always clogged up and
even if they are not they tend to have a speed limit. Ok - now and again you
get lucky and you can go fast in a straight line - but that just means I
know how fast my car can go flat out - not particularly clever or exciting
though.

However - really nice driving usually happens on bendy roads anyway and for
that the UK is soooo much better. In germany nearly everywhere off the
motorway has speed limits of 30 or 50 kph - unless its completely straight
in which case you might be allowed to go 70 or 100 (thats max 62mph).
Whereas in the UK if you drive around in Sussex for example you will find no
end of VERY bendy roads which can be pretty challenging at times and you are
allowed to go 50mph on nearly all of them! It feels alot faster than
anything you would be allowed to do in Germany on the same type of road (in
Germany there would be warning signs all along the road and (30)
everywhere)!

On the whole driving within the leagal limit in the UK feels alot quicker
than it does in Germany.

JT

P.S. Anyone who wants to release the full potential of their car needs to
use a race track anyway - you can't turn into tesco's with a powerslide.
Dave LaCourse - 18 Oct 2007 13:15 GMT
>Anyone who wants to release the full potential of their car needs to
>use a race track anyway - you can't turn into tesco's with a powerslide.

Exactly!  My RS6 gets it exercise on a closed circuit.

Dave
BIC - 18 Oct 2007 17:27 GMT
>>Anyone who wants to release the full potential of their car needs to
>>use a race track anyway - you can't turn into tesco's with a powerslide.
>
> Exactly!  My RS6 gets it exercise on a closed circuit.
>
> Dave

we aint all that lucky Dave................

after 40 years driving I got my first ticket this year doing 38 in a 30
limit.............cop was parked on double yellows while tracking and
booking..............talk about one rule for us one for them.
Stephen Clark - 22 Oct 2007 23:38 GMT
Hey Dave:

Just test-drove an 03 RS6 last Friday. The dealer let me have it for the
afternoon. I have been looking for a good RS6 or S8 for about two years now.

Couldn't arrange a test track, but I was impressed with what the car could
do on an open freeway. Easily got over 140, then had to back off for
traffic. What is the RS6's top speed? Is it limited electronically to 155?
The Brembos are fantastic!

Does the RS6 have the timing chain in the back of the engine like the RS4,
or timing belt in the front like the S8? I can't remember what model year
Audi made that change. My mechanic says the cost of maintenance on this car
will be astronomical. What has been your experience?

I got to crawl all over the R8 American LeMans pace car at the Houston Grand
Prix last March, but didn't get to drive it....I'm jealous!

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Stephen Clark
89 Audi 100
Houston, Texas USA

>>Anyone who wants to release the full potential of their car needs to
>>use a race track anyway - you can't turn into tesco's with a powerslide.
>
> Exactly!  My RS6 gets it exercise on a closed circuit.
>
> Dave
Dave LaCourse - 23 Oct 2007 00:45 GMT
>Does the RS6 have the timing chain in the back of the engine like the RS4,
>or timing belt in the front like the S8? I can't remember what model year
>Audi made that change. My mechanic says the cost of maintenance on this car
>will be astronomical. What has been your experience?

In the front.  Timing belt change is 35k miles and under warranty.  I
have 50k now on the car and except for a worn out left front carpet
mat, the car is still a cherry.  I have it chipped and dyno said 509
bhp.  Believe it or not, the chip gives better gas mileage (which is
about 21 on a trip and 16 around town ifn I don't play with it!)

Biggest expense (beside timing belt) would be brakes.  I had mine done
at 30K miles under warranty.  Rotors are $500 apiece.  After market
would be the way to go - just as good, and less expensive.  There are
a number of speed shops in my area that can do it far cheaper.  I have
BBS LM 19 inch wheels on it, and they look terrific.  A picture of it
and my grandson's 2000 S4 (chipped) with BBSs is in this month's Audi
Club magazine.  I normally sell my used Audis to one of my sons in
law, but I will use the RS6 as down-payment on my R8

>I got to crawl all over the R8 American LeMans pace car at the Houston Grand
>Prix last March, but didn't get to drive it....I'm jealous!

Yeah, when I saw it at Petit LeMans at Road Atlanta earlier this
month, I fell in love.  When I got to drive it for several laps of a
Turn 1/infield road  course at Pocono, I was enthralled.  I also drove
the SR4 on the same course and found it very nimble in the twisties,
but not as quick on acceleration as my RS6.  Not knocking it; it was a
joy to drive - it was Arrest Me Yellow, worse than the red one.

Dave
Stephen Clark - 24 Oct 2007 22:17 GMT
Thanks for the info, Dave. Do you recommend an extended warranty? The car
I'm looking at has 41,000 miles, but is out of the 4-year Audi warranty due
to the in-service date. It seems to be in very good shape, and the dealer is
willing to change the front rotors and pads. Two wheels have road rash, but
they are willing to repair that too.

Stephen Clark

>>Does the RS6 have the timing chain in the back of the engine like the RS4,
>>or timing belt in the front like the S8? I can't remember what model year
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>
> Dave
Dave LaCourse - 25 Oct 2007 01:01 GMT
>It seems to be in very good shape, and the dealer is
>willing to change the front rotors and pads. Two wheels have road rash, but
>they are willing to repair that too.

Sounds ok.  I used my car at a driving school to do demos.  That's why
the front brakes only lasted 35K miles.  See what kind of a warranty
they are willing to give you.  BTW, an oil change costs about $200.
Lots of labor involved.  Of course if you are the wrench type, you
could do it yourself.  It takes a special synthetic oil available only
at Audi/VW/Porsche dealers, surprisingly not *that* expensive.

Warning:  Driving it will become addictive!  d;o)

Dave
TonyJ - 17 Oct 2007 06:48 GMT
> After my partner did his five laps, we returned  to the helmet shed,
> turned in the helmets, and proceeded back to the auto-cross area where
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>
>  
Thanks for the great review. I sounds like an Audi school I attended
with my friend in his '04 S4 at Brainard Intl Raceway but with much more
variety in rides. Lot of fun.

Congrats on the track times.

TonyJ
Pete - 18 Oct 2007 03:17 GMT
> My R8 should arrive in about a year.

In the last episode of Top Gear, Jeremy Clarkson took the R8 for a spin,
and he loved it.  Considering how picky he is about cars, that is in
fact a huge complement for the Audi.  Something about smearing honey on
Keira Knightley...  gotta watch the episode.

Pete
 
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