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Car Forum / Audi Cars / January 2009When did Audi get rid of std transmission in A4?
I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing, neither of which interest me in the slightest. I noticed BMW still has a 6 speed. I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or they can forget the sports sedan segment.  Signature_______________________ Ed H. > I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission > isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or > they can forget the sports sedan segment. Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. Traffic is also bad enough that your left leg gets really tired. SignatureGoogle is a pro-spamming service. I will not see your reply if you use Google. >> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission >> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. Traffic is also bad >enough that your left leg gets really tired. Complete bullshit. Owning both, I'd rather drive a manual in stop 'n' go traffic then an automagic - because if you have a clue, there's way less standing on pedals with the former than the latter... /daytripper '00 s4 6spd > >> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission > >> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > /daytripper > '00 s4 6spd I drove manuals for 15 years and I still like them. If I ask around, maybe 2 in 10 knows how to drive them and only 1 in 10 likes them. Then they marry somebody who isn't the 1 in 10. When I say bad traffic, I'm talking about big cities where you might spend an hour inching along just below 1st gear's idle speed. There's nothing you can do except hold in the clutch most of that hour. SignatureGoogle is a pro-spamming service. I will not see your reply if you use Google. >>> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission >>> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > /daytripper > '00 s4 6spd I have a clue and can tell you after owning over 30 manual cars and driving in uk traffic an auto is much easier than a manual, there is also more pedal standing on a manual, there has to be as it has 3 pedals, so even if you just crawling you still have to use your left leg to control the clutch which is always harder to depress than the accelerator or brake pedal. It's a no brainer when you think about it, now back to the topic, over here we get a choice of 28 different engine versions of the A4, all come with manual 6sp or tip, can you not order direct from Audi in Europe and get it shipped to you.??? > In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. Ahem. I do. That being said, the DSG transmission in my TT is simply brilliant. In sport mode, it picks better shift points than I do, and I would quite happily drive one for the rest of my life. > Traffic is also bad > enough that your left leg gets really tired. SignatureReal men don't text. > In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. Ahem. I do. That being said, the DSG transmission in my TT is simply brilliant. In sport mode, it picks better shift points than I do, and I would quite happily drive one for the rest of my life. > Traffic is also bad > enough that your left leg gets really tired. Not where I live, but if it were, that would be another nod to the DSG. SignatureReal men don't text. > > In article <15f4n4t5nu82rqr88qksuag6027ccnigse@4ax.com>, > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > brilliant. In sport mode, it picks better shift points than I > do, and I would quite happily drive one for the rest of my life. DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but it is no manual. The shifting speed is terrible. It can transition from one gear shaft to the other in a few milliseconds but actually changing the gears takes more like 500ms each. Going from 5th to 3rd takes one second. Moving the gear shift from "D" to "S" puts my A3 in neutral for about 2 seconds. A hard stop at 30 MPH leaves me in neutral while the transmission clicks down to 1st. That's pretty bad. The "S" mode reduces lag by making the other shaft a lower gear when it can. It's responsive but the cost is clumsy upshifting that's not good for normal driving. > > Traffic is also bad > > enough that your left leg gets really tired. > > Not where I live, but if it were, that would be another nod to > the DSG. Lucky you. It's painful to have fast car that's only good for staring at the back of an unbroken stream of slow cars. SignatureGoogle is a pro-spamming service. I will not see your reply if you use Google. > DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but it is no manual. It absolutely IS a manual transmission, it just has an automated clutch. No torque converter, which is what automatics have. I read somewhere that the 2.0T (which I believe is just starting to be available in the US) WILL be available with the 6-speed conventional manual. I suspect that Audi would like to have the DSG as the only manual available. BMW has a much longer record of 'sporting driving', meaning that they really have to offer a conventional manual, although I suspect that they would like to eliminate that and go to their version of the automated manual as well. Cut down on the number of combinations. We only have 1 automatic in our household, out of 5 cars, our Honda Odyssey van. But it very aggressively downshifts, so it's almost like driving a manual! Dan D '04 A4 1.8Tq 6-speed Central NJ USA >> DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but it is no manual. > >It absolutely IS a manual transmission, it just has an automated >clutch. No torque converter, which is what automatics have. [...] I suspect you misunderstood the nature of that comment: I believe it was aimed at the degree of control provided by a conventional manual transmission verses that of the DSG, rather than being a declarative statement concerning the pedigree of the DSG... /daytripper '00 s4 6spd On Jan 18, 2:23 am, Kevin McMurtrie <kevin...@sonic.net> wrote: > DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but it > is no manual. >It absolutely IS a manual transmission, it just has an automated >clutch. No torque converter, which is what automatics have. It has no clutch which is engaged when you depress a foot pedal, how it does it's trickery makes no difference it's still an automatic. > DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but > it is no manual. The shifting speed is terrible. It can transition [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > can. It's responsive but the cost is clumsy upshifting that's not good > for normal driving. I must admit I haven't had those problems with my S-tronic. The shifting speed is very good although it doesn't get it right on the odd occasion. Definitely don't get the 2 second neutral issue. > In article <nih5n4prie2auo69o9lbn7ep3pmrfa9fa3@4ax.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > Ed H. <nospam@myaddress.net> wrote: > > > > > > Nobody in the US knows how to drive a manual. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > DSG has superior control and efficiency compared to most automatics but > it is no manual. Didn't say it was. > The shifting speed is terrible. It shifts faster than I am willing to. > It can transition > from one gear shaft to the other in a few milliseconds but actually > changing the gears takes more like 500ms each. Going from 5th to 3rd > takes one second. Moving the gear shift from "D" to "S" puts my A3 in > neutral for about 2 seconds. A hard stop at 30 MPH leaves me in neutral > while the transmission clicks down to 1st. That's pretty bad. If I have to make a hard stop from 30 MPH, chances are I'll be spending those two seconds gathering my wits and checking my shorts for unwelcome emissions. > > The "S" mode reduces lag by making the other shaft a lower gear when it > can. It's responsive but the cost is clumsy upshifting that's not good > for normal driving. S mode is not for normal driving. If I have a complaint, it's that S mode is over the top. I don't want to wind it out in every gear on its way to the top speed. There should be a Poser mode, which would be more aggressive than normal mode, but not a banshee run to redline in every gear. > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Lucky you. It's painful to have fast car that's only good for staring > at the back of an unbroken stream of slow cars. I'll bet. My commute is seventeen miles of two lane country highway, and I usually have the road to myself. The downside is that there are few roads, so the concentration of cops is high on the roads that do exist. And, to my sorrow, I've found that they do not accept Because It's Fun as an acceptable excuse. SignatureReal men don't text. > I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission > isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I hope Audi sees the error of their ways and puts it back, or > they can forget the sports sedan segment. It is possible to order it with a manual tranny, at least the 2.0T sedan one, but you might have to place an order for with with the dealer directly. I've seen people on AudiWorld talk about. Apparently it's not an option on audiusa.com. SignaturePete >> I was specing out a 2009 A4 (US model) and the std transmission >> isn't an option, just the tiptronic and the variable thing, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > dealer directly. I've seen people on AudiWorld talk about. Apparently > it's not an option on audiusa.com. The manual will be available on the 2.0 in the US. The bulk of cars shipped early have the automatic because most people would pick that anyway. The pricing I've seen has the same list price for the manual or the auto. That would be unusual though. A4's in the US have always been available with a manual, I doubt that will change now. Alan |
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