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Car Forum / BMW Cars / September 2006BMW tool kits...
As expensive as BMWs are, the tool kit is both sparse and not of the quality Americans have been led to expect. Most people who can afford a BMW buy Snap-On, and what comes in the BMW kit is not Snap-On quality. I have owned German tools-Hazet and Stahlwille- and while I've never broken one, I don't think the BMW tools are made out of the same stuff Stahlwille are, and are even more crudely finished. The screwdriver in particular has a cheesy handle and isn't that tough. Yes, I know, American cars don't even HAVE a tool kit. But Americans already have tools. I have doubles and triples and quadruples of a lot of things, from habitual buying over decades. > As expensive as BMWs are, the tool kit is both sparse and not of the > quality Americans have been led to expect. Most people who can afford a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > already have tools. I have doubles and triples and quadruples of a lot > of things, from habitual buying over decades. Those tools are really only intended for use in an emergency situation, when caught out roadside. They are not intended to be used to make routine repairs, etc. The reason you pay more for your tools at home is so they will last with repeat use. In my opinion, spending Snap-On dollars for the tools in your trunk kit, that you will in all likelihood never even use, would be overkill. But some people have much more money that me...  Signature-Fred W > As expensive as BMWs are, the tool kit is both sparse and not of the >quality Americans have been led to expect. Most people who can afford a >BMW buy Snap-On.... Please. 99% of the Americans who buy BMWs have never even heard of Snap-on. Probably only half of them have heard of Craftsman tools. And the other half has never even opened up their toolkit (if they know where it's located). -- Larry > As expensive as BMWs are, the tool kit is both sparse might depend on the model. Seven's have quite a decent kit. > and not of the > quality Americans have been led to expect. Most people who can afford a > BMW buy Snap-On, and what comes in the BMW kit is not Snap-On quality. most BMW mechanics buy Snap On (or similar quality) for daily heavy use. Such tools cost 3 -4 times what they do from DIY places and several times more than el cheapo tools from Asia. Snap On come with a life time guarantee, so if you break or wear out the ratchet in your socket set they will give you a new one. > I have owned German tools-Hazet and Stahlwille- and while I've never > broken one, I don't think the BMW tools are made out of the same stuff > Stahlwille are, and are even more crudely finished. The screwdriver in > particular has a cheesy handle and isn't that tough. These tools are intended for occaisional use - e.g. replacing a snapped belt during a holiday, and are perfectly servicable for that. The screwdriver in particular is reversible (slot / cross head), something you would never have in a professional kit. > Yes, I know, American cars don't even HAVE a tool kit. But Americans > already have tools. I have doubles and triples and quadruples of a lot > of things, from habitual buying over decades. As you say Americans have double, triple and quadruple [portions] of a lot of things, which is why most of them can't work on their own cars... "If you can finish our 72oz [2kg] steak then there will be no charge..." typical diner offer. >"If you can finish our 72oz [2kg] steak then there will be no charge..." >typical diner offer. Typical? I've been in the US for 20 years and travelled more of it than most merkins have. Although I believe that such "eat it all and it's free" offers exist, I've never actually seen one myself. From what I read in the news, it looks like the average Brit is ballooning into obesity these days as well. All-you-can-eat fried Mars bars and chips, anyone? SignatureDan. >>"If you can finish our 72oz [2kg] steak then there will be no charge..." >>typical diner offer. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > merkins have. Although I believe that such "eat it all and it's free" > offers exist, I've never actually seen one myself. This was from a real offer I saw in Portland Oregon. I think this was the place http://www.saylers.com/dinner.htm although other places appear to offer the same e.g. http://www.bigtexan.com/ > From what I read in the news, it looks like the average Brit is > ballooning into obesity these days as well. All-you-can-eat fried > Mars bars and chips, anyone? PS I ordered something smaller! >>>"If you can finish our 72oz [2kg] steak then there will be no charge..." >>>typical diner offer. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >although other places appear to offer the same >e.g. http://www.bigtexan.com/ Oh, I don't doubt that they exist. But they're certainly not typical. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/353717.stm "The latest figures show that one in five UK women, and only slightly fewer men are now clinically obese - almost half of all adult men, and a third of women, are classed as simply overweight." About 20% of Brit adults are obese. It's worse than I thought! SignatureDan. >About 20% of Brit adults are obese. It's worse than I thought! Look at kids in school yearbooks today then look at ones 30 years ago. Notice a difference? SignatureNeed Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net >>About 20% of Brit adults are obese. It's worse than I thought! > >Look at kids in school yearbooks today then look at ones 30 years ago. > >Notice a difference? There was only one fat boy out of maybe 150 kids in the primary school I went to in the 50s. Naturally, we were merciless. SignatureDan. >>"If you can finish our 72oz [2kg] steak then there will be no charge..." >>typical diner offer. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >ballooning into obesity these days as well. All-you-can-eat fried >Mars bars and chips, anyone? No, we're still safe from the deep dried mars, we've managed to keep that out thanks to Hadrian's wall. Dodgy. SignatureMUSHROOMS ARE THE OPIATE OF THE MOOSES > Snap On come with a life time guarantee, so if you break or wear out > the ratchet in your socket set they will give you a new one. *Some* Snap-On tools come with a lifetime guarantee - but then so do most decent makes. Signature*When the going gets tough, use duct tape Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > > As expensive as BMWs are, the tool kit is both sparse > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > particular is reversible (slot / cross head), something you would never have > in a professional kit. I keep a 4 in 1 and a 1/4 hex bit ratchet and a small block of bits and in fact most pros do too-they augment them with the power driver, though. > > Yes, I know, American cars don't even HAVE a tool kit. But Americans > > already have tools. I have doubles and triples and quadruples of a lot [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > "If you can finish our 72oz [2kg] steak then there will be no charge..." > typical diner offer. It's very atypical. There are probably not five or six places in America that do that, the most famous is in Amarillo, TX out by the nuke weapons plant. (Do they have a fish and chips place near Aldermaston that does a similar thing?) For one thing the liability is substantial if a diner kills themselves (has happened), also, even here most people find it gross. The winners are usually not fat people, surprisingly enough. When I was a kid I used to hang out at a VW repair place that had a guy who worked there who was 6'7" and weigned, probably, 450 lbs. It was always an amazing thing to watch him get in and out of Bugs and Karmann Ghias. He had many special tools to get in where he could not reach and was amazing for his standard procedure of pulling the engine to do a tune up. He summarily replaced a lot of hoses and clamps but still made money- he could do one in an hour, flat. He could pick up a Type 1 engine one handed. His piece de resistance was a motorcycle with a 160 cubic inch flat twin built from an 0-320 Lycoming sawed in half. He died shortly after building it, as a result of health problems unrelated to the minor crash he had on it, and no one else had any interest in it. They would have had to have been well over 6' to ride it safely. It was junked. I believe that new BMWs no longer have ANY tool kit :-( SignatureWho needs a life when you've got Unix? :-) Email: john@unixnerd.demon.co.uk, John G.Burns B.Eng, Bonny Scotland Web : http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk - The Ultimate BMW Homepage! Need Sun or HP Unix kit? http://www.unixnerd.demon.co.uk/unix.html www.Strathspey.co.uk - Quality Binoculars at a Sensible price > As expensive as BMWs are, the tool kit is both sparse and not of the > quality Americans have been led to expect. Most people who can afford a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > already have tools. I have doubles and triples and quadruples of a lot > of things, from habitual buying over decades. And the main point is ... what? That the kit is small and should have more tools? If so, just how many and for what purpose? That the kit ought to have top quality tools? Why? If not most, certainly a large number of people who can afford BMW do mechanical work on their cars at their own peril (my brother would be exhibit A). Anybody who can or does work on their car has the tools and doesn't use those in the kit (except for perhaps a quick parking lot minor repair). Those that can't or won't will likely never drop the kit's lid. I think a car's tool kit ought to include those items that might allow one to continue to drive where otherwise you'd be parked or extremely inconvenienced: Tools to change or repair a tire, common fuses, sunroof/window crank (when the motors/relays fail), etc. (The omission of the pin to help align the rim on the hub, no longer in the newer car's kits, is a big mistake IMO.) R / John > As expensive as BMWs are, the tool kit is both sparse and not of the > quality Americans have been led to expect. Most people who can afford a > BMW buy Snap-On, and what comes in the BMW kit is not Snap-On quality. Well I have had several BMWs and have a very extensive tool kit collected over the years and wouldn't dream of buying Snap-on. In the UK it is overpriced and over hyped. The BMW tool kit is fine for what it is intended - the very rare roadside repair. Supplying the finest quality tools would simply add to the price of the car - which 99.9% of owners wouldn't ever get the benefit of. The only part of the car toolkit I use is the anti-theft wheel bolt adaptor - and that's of sufficient quality for the job. Signature*What do little birdies see when they get knocked unconscious? * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > > As expensive as BMWs are, the tool kit is both sparse and not of the > > quality Americans have been led to expect. Most people who can afford a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > over the years and wouldn't dream of buying Snap-on. In the UK it is > overpriced and over hyped. That's so in the US too, but, silly me, I buy them anyway. > The BMW tool kit is fine for what it is intended - the very rare roadside > repair. Supplying the finest quality tools would simply add to the price > of the car - which 99.9% of owners wouldn't ever get the benefit of. The > only part of the car toolkit I use is the anti-theft wheel bolt adaptor - > and that's of sufficient quality for the job. In the US the BMW is priced high on pure exclusiveness, are they radically cheaper in the UK or Germany? I know Benzes were a lot cheaper in Germany but they had far less optional equipment too, if you got them kitted out equivalently they were cheaper but not radically so. > In the US the BMW is priced high on pure exclusiveness, are they >radically cheaper in the UK or Germany? The UK/European equivalents of our BMWs are much more expensive over there than in the US. epbrown -- "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people will settle for the car." Chris Titus 2003 BMW 325i Black/Black, 2003 BMW Z4 Black/Black > As expensive as BMWs are, the tool kit is both sparse and not of the >quality Americans have been led to expect. Most people who can afford a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >already have tools. I have doubles and triples and quadruples of a lot >of things, from habitual buying over decades. There's a toolkit? :) Shall we consider that the subject is a spoonerism ? ;-))) |
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