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air con problems - do they never end?

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Jon Manley - 11 Sep 2006 09:10 GMT
Hi All

2001 530i Sport - RHD, UK

I last posted re my probs with air con in July and thought I'd give a
progress report .....

The problem has always been that, intermittently, with the air con on,
I get hot air from the foot-well and screen vents - sometimes it can go
several days with no problem and then I'll get hot air from the
aforementioned vents again. Simply leaving the car switched off for an
hour seems to almost 'reset' things and all is ok again (for a while).

Stuff done in an effort to solve.....
1. final stage resistor was replaced approx 6 months ago for an
unrelated problem but thought I'd mention it anyway
2. air-con system has been checked and recharged, etc
3. aux fan (condensor fan) has been replaced as it wasn't working
4. I have replaced the climate control unit which sits under the radio
(pleasantly surprised it only took 5 mins)
and...... after 4 or 5 days  ...... hot air in the foot-wells again!!!

BUGGER!!!!!!

If anyone has any thoughts as to the problem, I'd be happy to know. I'm
seriously thinking of putting it down as 'one of those things' and
giving up, as the time and expense is getting silly. I should mention
that the replacement climate control unit was from a breakers and
'guaranteed' working - seems strange that the problem remains exactly
the same.

thx for reading my rant
Jeremy - 11 Sep 2006 10:31 GMT
> Hi All
>
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>
> thx for reading my rant

Have you asked a BMW dealer to take a look? I know I immediately think
"it's going to be expensive if I go there" but if this is something that
is spoiling your enjoyment of what is a fine car, I'd bite the bullet
and ask them to take a look and "advise". My local dealer does a
slightly reduced rate for "older" cars (maybe over 4 years).

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jeremy
['01 BMW 530iA SE Touring]

Jon Manley - 13 Sep 2006 09:09 GMT
> Have you asked a BMW dealer to take a look? I know I immediately think
> "it's going to be expensive if I go there" but if this is something that
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> jeremy
> ['01 BMW 530iA SE Touring]

I think its probably about time I took the 'hint' and took the car to
someone with far better expertise that me. Rather than take it to BMW
(far too scary), I'm going to see what a local (reliable/cheaper)
independent makes of this problem. Thanks to all for advice
syl. - 11 Sep 2006 19:10 GMT
I'll suspect a problem with the water valve who operates intermittently,
look for a bad connection (broken wires, corrosion,etc)
If wiring are o.k,  pinch temporarily the outlet hose with a clamping device
and drive the car for a week or so, until you're
convinced.
The other thing that comes to my mine is the way you use your a/c. You
didn't tell but as a reminder setting temp. to the lowest cold side (16°C)
means that the a/c compressor is working "full blast" all the time and with
good humidity the evaporator may froze, given you then...warm air. That will
usually happen if outflow air is restricted (open at least 2 outlet in
cabin) or inflow air that is suppose to go trough the evaporator is
restricted (have you changed both microfilter lately) or when you use
"recirc" for too long.
BMW recommend to take care not to use the middle dash "air stratification
outlet" in full cold air (blue side) with the oulet pointing downward the
center console, because the air flow will hit the console and swirl around
and foul the inside (cabin) temp. sensor to the point that it will shut the
a/c and start the heater. The climate control module (IHKA), who lay down
the console, has a
fan inside to suck the cabin air trough the the temp. sensor, so you get the
picture. I know that it's true because similar thing happen to me but it was
the other way. To make a short story, it was  (canadian) winter time and I
was enjoying the warm air from the heater. I stop for gaz and bring back a
coffe that I put in the can holder. A minute later when I hit the road cold
air start pouring on
my face and my feet. I try to figure out what was happenning thinking I'd
just lost all my eng. coolant etc...Then, while grabbing my
cofee, I realized that that hot paper cup was against the inlet grille of
that inside temp. sensor fan. So that little fan really work.
Thing about it we never know...

Sylvain

> Hi All
>
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>
> thx for reading my rant
clifffreeling@yahoo.com - 11 Sep 2006 20:40 GMT
> Hi All
>
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> (pleasantly surprised it only took 5 mins)
> and...... after 4 or 5 days  ...... hot air in the foot-wells again!!!

Sorry there Jon, but welcome to Beamerworld.   That's just the way
it is with these shitty cars.   I could sing you a similar song (but
longer)
about my Beamer.   But I will say that I actually have never had to
recharge the AC in this car, in the six years I've had it.   I have had
THREE separate electrical failures in the period though.  One was
a blower motor replacement (warranty), another time they charged me
a few hundred $ for replacing a resistor, and the third time, I did
the repair myself with the help of a Website (Less than $5).

> BUGGER!!!!!!
>
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> 'guaranteed' working - seems strange that the problem remains exactly
> the same.

I'd take it to a good independent BMW repair shop and let them look
into it.

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Cliff

Psycho - 11 Sep 2006 22:45 GMT
>Sorry there Jon, but welcome to Beamerworld.   That's just the way
>it is with these shitty cars.   I could sing you a similar song (but
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>a few hundred $ for replacing a resistor, and the third time, I did
>the repair myself with the help of a Website (Less than $5).

Cliff,

 Why do you bother to post if you're that negative? If they're such
shitty cars as you like to refer to them, why do you still own one?

>I'd take it to a good independent BMW repair shop and let them look
>into it.

Good advice here though...

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>THE ISRAEL LOBBY: Does it have too much influence on US foreign policy?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
>  ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001

Why do you continue to post this trash with all of your messages? I am
beginning to understand why quite a few people hate you the way they
do. I still don't understand why some of them act like they're six
when they're trying to converse with you but that is another matter.

I would debate this issue with you but not in this forum. BTW - The
American government is controlled by millionaire oil businessmen, some
of these may be Jews but most are Arabs and the very thieves that are
running the country. Democracy in the US has long been dead and the
country is now run by the elite few. The people's vote really doesn't
matter much any more....
clifffreeling@yahoo.com - 12 Sep 2006 00:13 GMT
> >Sorry there Jon, but welcome to Beamerworld.   That's just the way
> >it is with these shitty cars.   I could sing you a similar song (but
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>   Why do you bother to post if you're that negative? If they're such
> shitty cars as you like to refer to them, why do you still own one?

Because I've put too much into the jitney to let it go for its market
value.   Make sense?

> Why do you continue to post this trash with all of your messages? I am
> beginning to understand why quite a few people hate you the way they
> do.

Nobody hates me except Zionist canker sores, and maybe
some of the dumbasses who believe what the Bush cabal feeds them.
My wife thinks I'm maybe the 4th greatest man who ever lived.

>I still don't understand why some of them act like they're six
> when they're trying to converse with you but that is another matter.

The hilarious David Z?  That's called Jew in full tilt tirade mode.
They
rant and rave a lot like that.   Remember the way Dershowitz attacked
Mearsheimer and Walt (NAZI NAZI HATE HATE) when they first
released their paper?   Same thing.

See you at the debate.  Be there or be square!!!

--------
THE ISRAEL LOBBY: Does it have too much influence on US foreign policy?

The London Review will be hosting a debate on 28 September in the Great

Hall, Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art, Cooper
Square, New York.  Go to the link in my sig to reserve tickets.

-----
Kill ratio of Palestinian children to Israeli children 5.7-to-1,
Israel's favor.
Kill ratio of all Palestinians to Israelis: over 3-to-1.
---------
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/print/mear01_.html
----------
"Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We,
the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."
 ---Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 2001
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Cliff

Janey - 14 Sep 2006 21:08 GMT
Jon...

Did you find out what your problem with the AC was?  My 735I is doing the
same thing with blowing hot air with the AC on... In Texas... that's not a
good thing this time of year...lol

>Hi All
>
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
>thx for reading my rant
Jon Manley - 18 Sep 2006 09:01 GMT
Janey

So far I have turned the dial (the one with the blue and red dots) to
between 1 and 2 blue and changed the temp setting on the climate
control to 17C both sides. So far so good. I took the hint from one of
the replies to my original posting stating that things might not work
correctly with all set to arctic tundra temps.

What I have noticed is that the warm air from the foot-wells (and
screen) only happens (very occassionally) when I turn the ignition on -
I can turn the key to get cold air from the air con but when I actually
turn the key all the way to start the car, I notice that the blowers
stop and then start again (this is normal) when the engine starts. Its
after the engine has started that warm air is blown. If the car starts
and cold air is blown then all will be ok until I next switch off and
restart the engine - I might get cold air, I might get warm (a bit of a
lottery).

I guess this probably doesn't help too much but thought you might be
interested anyway.

Jon

> Jon...
>
> Did you find out what your problem with the AC was?  My 735I is doing the
> same thing with blowing hot air with the AC on... In Texas... that's not a
> good thing this time of year...lol
M Warren - 19 Sep 2006 12:17 GMT
> What I have noticed is that the warm air from the foot-wells (and
> screen) only happens (very occassionally) when I turn the ignition on -
> I can turn the key to get cold air from the air con but when I actually
> turn the key all the way to start the car, I notice that the blowers
> stop and then start again (this is normal) when the engine starts.

Are you saying that you use the A/C without the engine running? Because if
you are, I'm _very_ confused.
 
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