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Car Forum / BMW Cars / September 2006

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Starting problems - diesel running back?

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Tzwenstar - 16 Sep 2006 12:31 GMT
Since month I am strugling with the following symptoms:

Car needs about 20 sec of running the starter motor to start if:
- fuel level is between 10 l and 75 l in tank
- car is parked for > 2h on leveled ground
- car is parked for >10 min with front end up (on slope)

Car does start without problems if:
- car is parked with front end down (on slope)
- fuel tank is compleley full or less than 10 l in tank

This has obviously nothing to do with the glow plugs, but with diesel
somehow running back and 20sec of running the starter (fuel pump action)
needed to get diesel back to the engine.

A BMW dealership here in Cambridge replaced the diesel pump, but this did
not cure the problem.

Any advice would be more than welcome!
Thanks,
Sven
Sylvain VAN DER WALDE - 16 Sep 2006 22:20 GMT
> Since month I am strugling with the following symptoms:
>
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> somehow running back and 20sec of running the starter (fuel pump action)
> needed to get diesel back to the engine.

> A BMW dealership here in Cambridge replaced the diesel pump, but this did
> not cure the problem.
>
> Any advice would be more than welcome!

With Diesel engines, one must be careful to describe parts _carefully_: Are
you talking about the fuel _lift_ pump, or the pump that is connected to the
injectors?
Of course, one might automatically assume (wrongly?) that the garage would
fit the much cheaper part first.
So, which one was it?

Sylvain.

> Thanks,
> Sven
Tzwenstar - 17 Sep 2006 18:48 GMT
Thanks Sylvain for taking the time and responding!

According to the garage invoice they replaced the "fuel pump in tank" (do
you know which of the two pumps you mention this is? the part number is
B16.14.1.180.118)

Furthermore they replaced: injector fuel line including: pipe clamp, fuel
seal, tubing and hose

Does this information help in "remote diagnosis" of my car's problem?

Regards,
Sven
Sylvain VAN DER WALDE - 17 Sep 2006 19:49 GMT
> Thanks Sylvain for taking the time and responding!
>
> According to the garage invoice they replaced the "fuel pump in tank" (do
> you know which of the two pumps you mention this is? the part number is
> B16.14.1.180.118)

Yes, that is the fuel lift pump. There was a thread _recently_ about a fault
similar to yours, and changing that part cured the problem. You might try to
download this thread's messages. Another thing that was mentioned, was the
fuel cap. It might not be venting to atmosphere. It was suggested to drill a
small hole in it.

> Furthermore they replaced: injector fuel line including: pipe clamp, fuel
> seal, tubing and hose

They appear to have done a thorough job.

> Does this information help in "remote diagnosis" of my car's problem?

I can't help you anymore myself. I hope that you get other replies, in spite
of the fact that your problem was addressed twice recently in this news
group.
P.S. I'm not a BMW car owner; just a long-retired UK motor mechanic.

Sylvain.

> Regards,
> Sven
Nick - 18 Sep 2006 19:36 GMT
Hi,
I had this problem on my 525TDS and it was in and out of the garage a few
times before I found it.
I had exactly the same symptoms as one of the places I had to park was
facing uphill. On reflection I either had two
problems or the second one developed during the course of the solution being
found.

The lift pump was changed (twice) - problem apparently sorted for about a
month - first pump (genuine BMW)
was apparently faulty - first faulty out of the box they had known in some
15 years !

The injectors were re-conditioned - apparently one could have been
intermittently sticking open, allowing drain back.
I had to have a new one for the master injector as there was evidence of
diesel leakage at the sensor wire.

I had a new set of glow plugs fitted / and took apart the relay and cleaned
the contacts (which were dirty)

I replaced the injector bleed hoses linking each injector as rubber was well
perished....

Then, whilst looking and poking around, I discovered that the "clear" fuel
feed pipe from the filter to the injector pump
leaked air in when I waggled it - it had partially cracked around the banjo
union on the injector pump, so
that got replaced.

All in all, it ran perfectly after all that for some 9 months when  I sold
it still going perfectly. Not sure
which bit (s) were not necessary to have done though

Hope it helps - let me know when you find it...

Nick
Tzwenstar - 18 Sep 2006 20:21 GMT
Hi Sylvain and Nick,
thank you both very much for the response. This is excellent information.
I will look into the injectors, pipes and fuel cap over the weekend.

Thanks again and I will send you a post about how I get along.
Regards,
Sven
Nick - 18 Sep 2006 21:46 GMT
> Hi Sylvain and Nick,
> thank you both very much for the response. This is excellent information.
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> Regards,
> Sven

Hi Sven,

Hope one of us has helped relieve the aching brain !  It was causing me a
lot of annoyance at the time
I can clearly remember !

Nick
 
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