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Car Forum / BMW Cars / October 2006OK..so E 46 M3 Factory Nav is not as good as aftermkt..which is a suitable sub?
Hello all, I think i saw somewhere the argument about E46 factory Nav being no good.I am almost ready to buy my first M3 but one of the things that was holding me back was that i wanted factory NAV(wanted to keep the cockpit as stock looking) as possible.. Every other car in the world has it...but when i wanted it there were none to be found... I understand that a car like an M3 you might not want it but on the cruisers 5's 7's that i can understand. Has anyone installed or had installed aftermkt Nav in theirs? which brand seems to work best? pioneer? alpine? thanks gig > Hello all, > I think i saw somewhere the argument about E46 factory Nav being [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > thanks > gig The Nav in the M3 is the same as all 3 - 7 series. Its all down to the firmware, the latest version v.28/80 is actually very good (nice graphics, 3D views etc). I recently changed from an M3 with a £3K Alpine nav/audio system and the Nav in my new BM (which has factory nav), is every bit as good if not better. The integration with TMC is fantastic and it does look a lot better than a flip out screen which does spoil the interior design a bit. If you hunt around there is also software to edit the BMW factory nav, custom icons, POI, even the startup screen can be changed. All a bit of fun to have a 3D rendering of your own car driving down across the map ;-) > The Nav in the M3 is the same as all 3 - 7 series. Its all down to the > firmware, It's also down to the hardware. I don't think I'm going to get 3D views etc on my Mk1 system. Early M3s shipped with the Mk3 4:3 ratio CD based navigation and I'm not sure these are upgradable as much as the the later versions. OK BMW navigation isn't great bad it's not bad either. I don't feel any compulsion to change mine but then to me it's so much better than having a crumpled up map on the pessenager seat. If you do find an M3 with the nav but you don't want it then part it out as there are still people willing to pay big bucks to retrofit their systems. Regardless of the nav I like the TV screen for the radio, OBC etc. > > The Nav in the M3 is the same as all 3 - 7 series. Its all down to the > > firmware, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > their systems. Regardless of the nav I like the TV screen for the > radio, OBC etc. Yep, the latest firmware flash is only any use on the Mk IV DVD based nav, no good for CD based systems. Plenty of Mk IV's on eBay if you fancy an upgrade. >> > The Nav in the M3 is the same as all 3 - 7 series. Its all down to the >> > firmware, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >no good for CD based systems. Plenty of Mk IV's on eBay if you fancy an >upgrade. I have an E46 (Aug 2004) with factory fitted sat nav and it is very good; getting a later DVD-ROM was an improvements as it fixed some mapping errors. -- John Perry http://www.redoak.co.uk http://www.eze-buy.co.uk Hello all, thank you all very much for all of the replies... I am in the states and while EVERYONE that i have spoken to say the factory NAV is garbage... now as for the audio system i have seen in "BIMMER" Mag that there are plenty of factory "looking" upgrades for the sounds system.... I would like a nice loud thumping clean sounding system.BUT BUT BUT... NOT LIKE THE LOUD KIDS here in the states.... i'm 41 and have not grown up yet, but i do know how to act like one. I am not looking for 4k watts in the car but a good system... I have seen in the mag that there plenty of nice sensible mods for the factory system.. so between keeping the factory nav factory. and the factory sound system factory I think i will do OK.. could someone here tell me the difference between the two different types of navs systems? one takes CD and the other DVD? and the DVD'S MODELS are on ebay? thanks... Gig... gig@i-2000.com cheers to all! >Hello all, > I think i saw somewhere the argument about E46 factory Nav being [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > thanks > gig > Hello all, > thank you all very much for all of the replies... I am in the states [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >different types of navs systems? one takes CD and the other DVD? and >the DVD'S MODELS are on ebay? CD = 700Mb Data DVD = 4.5Gb Data Obviously the DVD can hold more DATA --------------????? > thanks... > Gig... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> thanks >> gig Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK thanks for the reply... at least now i know... i'll search ebay and see what i come up with.... I have been told that less than 25% of the M3'S sold in the US were ordered with factory NAV I bet that number is even lower... given the trouble i'm having finding a clean one, or one that was not given to some HIGHSCHOOL KID because he made it past 12th grade.. I've seen plenty of those all with the snot beat out of them.. 3 years old and with 50k on the ODO... no thanks... THANKS for the reply.. gig >> Hello all, >> thank you all very much for all of the replies... I am in the states [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >hsg@h-gee.co.uk >Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK > thanks for the reply... > at least now i know... i'll search ebay and see what i come up [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I've seen plenty of those all with the snot beat out of them.. 3 years > old and with 50k on the ODO... no thanks... Make sure you really want the M3. I often find them a little too harsh for everyday driving and I seem to be jumping in the 740 most days now. Thanks for the reply... really??? well they ARE both 2 different machines... i guess the 740 for getting there in style and the M for getting there quick... I have a company car so like my toyota 4-runner It wont be used all the time. I have only "driven" a 330 that had all the trimmings , actually this 330 had so much DINAN equipment installed about(20K worth) probabally make most stock M3's look sick. but i have "test driven" an M before but i never have "driven" an M before...I think this is the machine for me... Now that i know about the improved NAV system I'll continue my search. I was at the point that i was at the point where i was going to settle for car with the NAV system and then go after mkt.. thanks. Gig >> thanks for the reply... >> at least now i know... i'll search ebay and see what i come up [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Make sure you really want the M3. I often find them a little too harsh >for everyday driving and I seem to be jumping in the 740 most days now. > Thanks for the reply... > really??? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > thanks. > Gig Drive one now before you spend time finding the right car. Plenty of people use Ms as their daily car. I did for 2 years, but I only do about 7000 mile per year anyway. And even then it was not my only car and I would sometimes take my 4x4 in preference for long journeys. Ms tend to be bought by a lot of people who see them as the top model and some would say they are. Others would say that all M cars are simply a model in their own right. An M3 in no way compares to a 330 irrispective of modifications. The power delivery is vastly different and the ride and handling again are very different to all other models. My wife drove a 2003 325 cab. sport for a year before we changed to an M3 and for the next two years she hated it. Too fast, too harsh and didn;t like the SMG. I loved it! Now she's happy with an X5 I'm now looking for an M3 CSL. Good luck with the search. > An M3 in no way compares to a 330 irrispective of modifications. The power > delivery is vastly different and the ride and handling again are very > different to all other models. My wife drove a 2003 325 cab. sport for a > year before we changed to an M3 and for the next two years she hated it. Too > fast, too harsh and didn;t like the SMG. I loved it! Some days I love my M3 and some days I hate it. If I get an open road and some decent weather then it's great but in cold or wet weather with stop start driving or on bumpy roads the noise and the bumps and the crappy gearchanges etc make me want to scrap the thing. An M3 isn't the top model. It's the top model made more powerful at the expense of cold running characteristics, made faster at the expense of road noise and truck like clunks and clonks. I've had mine for a few years and keep thining about retrofitting sound deadening. What I wanted (which is more how the E36 was) is the power of the M3 with the comfort of a 330. >> An M3 in no way compares to a 330 irrispective of modifications. The >> power [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > is more how the E36 was) is the power of the M3 with the comfort of a > 330. That's the beauty -- to each his/her own. I love my M3, warts and all, but don't really deal with very cold weather (Florida). That said, it isn't the most practical car, which is why I also have a 540 Touring. Tom > >> An M3 in no way compares to a 330 irrispective of modifications. The > >> power [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tom Try the new 335d! Superb twin turbo 3L. Goes like absolute stink and has all the creature comforts. Just not as involving as an M3 but I think a more suitable compromise for everyday use. It does seem that most M3 owners have another car even if the M is their main driver. > It does seem that most M3 owners have > another car even if the M is their main driver. That's just because they're loaded ;-) >> That's the beauty -- to each his/her own. I love my M3, warts and all, > but [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > have > another car even if the M is their main driver. I will once there is a convertible, but I like the M3. It's not a matter of daily driver -- I am happy with it each and every day. It's practicality, something the 335 won't solve. I can't fit a table saw in the back of an M3 or a 335. I can't fit 6 kids in an M3. I can in a 540iT. I don't see myself making the switch. Perhaps the new V8 M3. Tom > I will once there is a convertible, but I like the M3. It's not a matter of > daily driver -- I am happy with it each and every day. It's practicality, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tom I was quite pleased that I could fit complete (small) sheets of sheetrock in the back of my m3 whereas in the E36 I couldn't :-) > Tom Scales wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I was quite pleased that I could fit complete (small) sheets of > sheetrock in the back of my m3 whereas in the E36 I couldn't :-) I had a double-take when I read this before realizing you were in the UK. In the US, sheetrock comes only in 4'x8' sheets! ;-> FloydR >> I was quite pleased that I could fit complete (small) sheets of >> sheetrock in the back of my m3 whereas in the E36 I couldn't :-) > >I had a double-take when I read this before realizing you were in the UK. >In the US, sheetrock comes only in 4'x8' sheets! ;-> 2'x4' and 4'x4' are readily available at places like Homo Despot and Lowes...  SignatureDan. > On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:30:03 -0700, "Floyd Rogers" wrote: >>> I was quite pleased that I could fit complete (small) sheets of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > 2'x4' and 4'x4' are readily available at places like Homo Despot and > Lowes... *REAL MEN* buy wallboard only in 5/8" 4'x12' sheets. FloydR >>>I had a double-take when I read this before realizing you were in the UK. >>>In the US, sheetrock comes only in 4'x8' sheets! ;-> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >*REAL MEN* buy wallboard only in 5/8" 4'x12' sheets. No, *REAL MEN* do lath and plaster, using hand-hewn laths, and plaster made in their own lime kilns. SignatureDan. >> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006 07:30:03 -0700, "Floyd Rogers" wrote: >>>> I was quite pleased that I could fit complete (small) sheets of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >*REAL MEN* buy wallboard only in 5/8" 4'x12' sheets. Real men use a 21" minitor in the original box in the trunk as a benchmark. SignatureNeed Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net > I had a double-take when I read this before realizing you were in the UK. > In the US, sheetrock comes only in 4'x8' sheets! ;-> I'm guessing they must have been more like 3'x4' - "plasterboard" as it's called over here. I did also get a 3m length of counter-top/worktop in too. ...but I cut it in half first :-) Now I also have a crapbox load lugging car for all that kind fo stuff. >Try the new 335d! Superb twin turbo 3L. Goes like absolute stink and has all >the creature comforts. Yeah, chicks really dig that KLATTA KLATTA KLATTA KLATTA KLATTA KLATTA.. :-) SignatureNeed Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net Hi all!!! thanks for all of the replies and the comedy relief too...(i could use it) well i wont be doing this for a few months now, as i am still looking I wont be fully ready till then too... I WILL take a test ride in one before i plunk down greenies and become a member of the book of the month club(once again) almost 5 year without a loan it's time... and besides i have been in suvee's for that time i would like some thing different I have been travelinng(not long trips 200 mi round trip) and i'm sick of doing it in my 4 runner or my chevy frailblazer they are fine for going to the hunting cabin or fishing or towing the boat to the local lake.. I have always wanted a M.... So i think i shall have one. Dammit i'm 41 no wife(dont want one either) and no GF but i could do with one of those.. thanks for the all the replies Gig >>Try the new 335d! Superb twin turbo 3L. Goes like absolute stink and has all >>the creature comforts. > >Yeah, chicks really dig that KLATTA KLATTA KLATTA KLATTA KLATTA KLATTA.. > >:-) >or my chevy frailblazer they are fine for going to the hunting cabin >or fishing or towing the boat to the local lake.. I have always >wanted a M.... So i think i shall have one. Dammit i'm 41 no >wife(dont want one either) and no GF but i could do with one of >those.. You need a yard full of old cool 80's cars to "restore". Quick before the female factor gets in the way again. Works for me. SignatureNeed Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net Dammit i'm 41 no > wife(dont want one either) and no GF but i could do with one of > those.. My friends tease me sometimes about buying a "pulling" car but on the whole the M3 attracts interest from the middle-age managers in their lowly 330s and young boys (does Foley drive an M3?). Some women think it's too flash but I did give a biker-chick a ride in it and she pretty much creamed herself :-) >Some days I love my M3 and some days I hate it. If I get an open road >and some decent weather then it's great but in cold or wet weather with [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >is more how the E36 was) is the power of the M3 with the comfort of a >330. Here here. I don't understand why, in so many German cars, that the more powerful motor has to come with a stiffer suspension. As an option, fine, but IMO BMW's "sport" suspension is plenty tight already. HAHAHAHA VERY FUNNY!!! I too have always wondered why the suspension is always tight in bmw's thanks for the replies >>Some days I love my M3 and some days I hate it. If I get an open road >>and some decent weather then it's great but in cold or wet weather with [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >option, fine, but IMO BMW's "sport" suspension is plenty tight >already. Be patient. It took me about a month to find the perfect one. I'm in Orlando and found it in Cary, NC. Flew up, drove it and drove it home. I wanted the Nav and SMG in a convertible, in the 2003 range, at the right price. Love it :) Tom > thanks for the reply... > at least now i know... i'll search ebay and see what i come up [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > THANKS for the reply.. > gig Thanks for the reassurance!! that is what i want to do.... My former boss did the same thing with his porsche he wanted a 90's model car but he wanted it with THIS feature and not THAT feature. he wanted it with THIS color and not THAT color... took him close to a year after flying all over the place he finally found one- he did what you did flew out and rove it back home... I will do the same...... thanks >Be patient. It took me about a month to find the perfect one. I'm in >Orlando and found it in Cary, NC. Flew up, drove it and drove it home. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> THANKS for the reply.. >> gig |
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