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1989 325 Tires

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jwjensen356@sbcglobal.net - 19 Nov 2006 16:48 GMT
My 1989 325i uses 195/65 HR14 tires.  After the original I've always used
Michelin tires.  I now find out Michelin no longer makes a 195/65.  What is
a recommended Michelin tire for my car?  195/60 OK?

Thanks.
Tom K. - 19 Nov 2006 17:09 GMT
> My 1989 325i uses 195/65 HR14 tires.  After the original I've always used
> Michelin tires.  I now find out Michelin no longer makes a 195/65.  What
> is a recommended Michelin tire for my car?  195/60 OK?
>
> Thanks.

Tire Rack lists 4 H rated tires in your size made by Goodrich, Dunlop,
Sumitomo and Yokohama.  Going to a smaller size is probably not a good idea.

http://www.tirerack.com/

Tom K.
Pete - 19 Nov 2006 17:35 GMT
> My 1989 325i uses 195/65 HR14 tires.  After the original I've always
> used Michelin tires.  I now find out Michelin no longer makes a
> 195/65.  What is a recommended Michelin tire for my car?  195/60 OK?

How about 205/60?

Pete
John Burns - 19 Nov 2006 18:10 GMT
> How about 205/60?

Agreed, that's what I used to run on 14s.

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GT - 19 Nov 2006 18:58 GMT
> My 1989 325i uses 195/65 HR14 tires.

Hi!
I used to have the same car (1987 model) and I saw a similar car with 195/70
and I read that 205/60 are ok as well.
By the way, www.Reifendirekt.ch  lists 12 summer tires in the size
195/65-14.

Hope this helps

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John Jensen - 23 Nov 2006 15:07 GMT
Thanks for everyone's comments.  I did go to the www.Reifendirekt.ch website
and see that there are more choices available in Europe.

Michelin does not have 195/65 R14 tires at H rating in the U.S. any longer.
They do have them in a line called Harmony but that is a S rated tire.  They
do not have 205/60 tires on a 14" rim, the closest is on a 15" rim.  But
they do have the H-rated MXV4 as a 195/70 R14 as Giovanni commented.

Any comments about a 195/70 R14?

John

>> My 1989 325i uses 195/65 HR14 tires.
>
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>
> Hope this helps
Tom K. - 23 Nov 2006 17:22 GMT
> Thanks for everyone's comments.  I did go to the www.Reifendirekt.ch 
> website and see that there are more choices available in Europe.
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>
> Any comments about a 195/70 R14?

My wife's Saab has MXV4s as original equipment and, frankly the performance
is only average and the price is pretty high.  Is there a reason not to
consider the Goodrich, Dunlop, Sumitomo or Yokohama tires which are
available in your 195/65 14 size?

Tom K.
John Jensen - 25 Nov 2006 15:59 GMT
After running around ragged looking for the MXV4s in possible recent old
stock, and also for Dunlop, I went for the Yokohama Avid H4s.  Several
people here said they are good (and I also looked for comments via Google).
Hope I'll be happy.

John

>> Thanks for everyone's comments.  I did go to the www.Reifendirekt.ch 
>> website and see that there are more choices available in Europe.
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>
> Tom K.
Tom K. - 25 Nov 2006 18:24 GMT
> After running around ragged looking for the MXV4s in possible recent old
> stock, and also for Dunlop, I went for the Yokohama Avid H4s.  Several
> people here said they are good (and I also looked for comments via
> Google). Hope I'll be happy.
>
> John

Glad you found a suitable tire - let us know how you like it.

Tom K.
Fred W - 25 Nov 2006 21:00 GMT
> After running around ragged looking for the MXV4s in possible recent old
> stock, and also for Dunlop, I went for the Yokohama Avid H4s.  Several
> people here said they are good (and I also looked for comments via Google).
> Hope I'll be happy.

They are not the stickiest tires, but they wear quite well, and are
decent in the wet and light snow.

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Pete - 27 Nov 2006 15:38 GMT
> After running around ragged looking for the MXV4s in possible recent old
> stock, and also for Dunlop, I went for the Yokohama Avid H4s.  Several
> people here said they are good (and I also looked for comments via
> Google). Hope I'll be happy.

Good choice.  I put them on the company Sentra in size 195/60/15.  Granted,
it's not a max perf. summer tire, but the dry and wet grip were pretty good,
and so was comfort.  Noticeable improvement compared to the OEM Bridgestone
RE92.

Cheers,
Pete
Jeff Strickland - 24 Nov 2006 03:49 GMT
> Thanks for everyone's comments.  I did go to the www.Reifendirekt.ch 
> website and see that there are more choices available in Europe.
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>
> Any comments about a 195/70 R14?

Well, that's 3/4 inch on the diameter, or about 3/8 inch on radius. Or,
about 10 mm on radius.

The new tire is larger than the old tire, but the difference should be
negligible. The speedo will be slower than you are accustomed to, but the
change should just about make it dead-nuts accurate. The trouble -- if there
is any -- will be that the speedo will read 70 when you are really doing 75
(give or take). A "normal" speedo will read 70 when the actual speed is more
like 67. Larger tires will SLOW the speedo so the indicated speed and the
actual speed become the same, OR the actual speed is faster than the
indicated speed. (If the actual speed is faster than indicated, you need to
know so you can adjust your behavior. You can determine this easily with a
stopwatch and a measured mile OR with a GPS unit.)
Jeff Strickland - 20 Nov 2006 15:58 GMT
The 205/60x14 is a direct replacement.

> My 1989 325i uses 195/65 HR14 tires.  After the original I've always used
> Michelin tires.  I now find out Michelin no longer makes a 195/65.  What
> is a recommended Michelin tire for my car?  195/60 OK?
>
> Thanks.
Jeremy - 20 Nov 2006 20:48 GMT
Michelin are over priced, and I have never liked them for handling.

FWIW, I don't like Continental or Pirelli for handling either, despite
Pirelli PZeros being used on super cars.  I would look at Goodyear or
Bridgestone myself.

> My 1989 325i uses 195/65 HR14 tires.  After the original I've always used
> Michelin tires.  I now find out Michelin no longer makes a 195/65.  What
> is a recommended Michelin tire for my car?  195/60 OK?
>
> Thanks.
Pete - 21 Nov 2006 01:39 GMT
> Michelin are over priced, and I have never liked them for handling.
>
> FWIW, I don't like Continental or Pirelli for handling either, despite
> Pirelli PZeros being used on super cars.  I would look at Goodyear or
> Bridgestone myself.

Why do people insist on generalizing like this?  Each of these
manufacturers produces a multitude of tires, and within that range there
are some crappy tires and there are some good ones.  The Pilot Sport and
the PS2 from Michelin are actually quite decent.

Cheers,
Pete
Fred W - 21 Nov 2006 16:03 GMT
>> Michelin are over priced, and I have never liked them for handling.
>>
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> are some crappy tires and there are some good ones.  The Pilot Sport and
> the PS2 from Michelin are actually quite decent.

Yes, but are the "over-priced"?  I would have to say so...

However, I'm not such a big fan of Goodyears in general.  Bridgestone,
Yokohama, BF Goodrich, some Dunlops are good, IMO.

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Pete - 21 Nov 2006 16:23 GMT
> Yes, but are the "over-priced"?  I would have to say so...

Looking at tires from the top shelf (max perf. or extreme perf. category) on
TireRack.com - the Michelins are within the ballpark of other brand name
tires.

That said, personally I'm not a huge fan of Michelin either. :)

Pete

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