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Car Forum / BMW Cars / November 2006Poor E39 handbrake.
Have any E39's got good h/brakes? Auto 528i Had new rear discs, pads, and shoes fitted today. Handbrake is still very poor. I'm nor exactly a weakling, but without using the footbrake I can't pull it on hard enough to stop the car creeping on tickover, which is only about 750 rpm. It did pass the MOT though, which was my main concern. Mike. > I'm nor exactly a weakling, but without using the footbrake I can't pull it > on hard enough to stop the car creeping on tickover, which is only about 750 > rpm. That does seem incredibly poor. > It did pass the MOT though, which was my main concern. It does make you wonder "how?".  Signaturejeremy ['01 BMW 530iA SE Touring] >> I'm nor exactly a weakling, but without using the footbrake I can't pull >> it [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > It does make you wonder "how?". The examiner did know it everything had been replaced, so maybe he assumed it would improve after the shoes had bedded in, and cheated the brake test rollers by using the footbrake on the h/brake test. Either that or he was a helluva lot stronger than me. :-) Mike. > Have any E39's got good h/brakes? > Auto 528i [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > about 750 rpm. > It did pass the MOT though, which was my main concern. It does take a while to bed in a handbrake with shoes internal to a disc, especially a new disc. It may be worth putting the handbrake on _very_ gently while driving at <10mph, then release. Repeat a few times and allow to cool off in between. JB >> Have any E39's got good h/brakes? >> Auto 528i [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > gently while driving at <10mph, then release. Repeat a few times and allow > to cool off in between. I'll certainly try to bed them in, but TBH I don't expect a dramatic improvement. I'll also see if if any improvement can be made by checking and maybe lubricating the linkage from the h/brake lever to the shoes. Mike. > Have any E39's got good h/brakes? Not that I've driven. > Auto 528i Had new rear discs, pads, > and shoes fitted today. Handbrake is still very poor. If you had them fitted, wonder if they went through the adjustment proceeder properly? I ignore the TIS, and (after loosening off the handbrake cables adjust the drums as you would any other - up until they bite then back off just enough to clear. Then adjust the cables so when fully down the same is the case. > I'm nor exactly a weakling, but without using the footbrake I can't pull > it on hard enough to stop the car creeping on tickover, which is only > about 750 rpm. Mine does - just about. > It did pass the MOT though, which was my main concern. Mike. I think they see one coming and daren't fail it in case they get the job of trying to fix it... Signature*A woman drove me to drink and I didn't have the decency to thank her Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> Have any E39's got good h/brakes? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > bite then back off just enough to clear. Then adjust the cables so when > fully down the same is the case. Thanks Dave. I'll remember that come the summer, when crawling around under car might be a little more pleasant. Mike. > > If you had them fitted, wonder if they went through the adjustment > > proceeder properly? I ignore the TIS, and (after loosening off the > > handbrake cables adjust the drums as you would any other - up until they > > bite then back off just enough to clear. Then adjust the cables so when > > fully down the same is the case. > Thanks Dave. I'll remember that come the summer, when crawling around > under car might be a little more pleasant. Ah - but you don't need to crawl under the car. The cable adjustment is *inside* - remove the cover on the side of the transmission tunnel on the driver's side just below the handbrake. The screw for the cover needs a small ratchet handle with pozidriv bit to undo on my car although it might depend on the type of seats. Signature*No hand signals. Driver on Viagra* Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > Have any E39's got good h/brakes? > Auto 528i [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It did pass the MOT though, which was my main concern. > Mike. Did you try having the handbrake adjusted? I recently bought an e39 with 30k miles on the odo, and the handbrake was struggling on a minimal incline, even if I pulled it all the way up. After the shop adjusted it (rear brakes were not replaced), the handbrake brakes well only after pulling it up a few notches. Cheers, Pete '02 530i >Have any E39's got good h/brakes? The e39 handbrake is not the best one in the world. You can lock up the rear wheels at speed with many handbrakes, but don't expect to do *anything* like that on the e39. Even when it's brand new and fully fettled. It sucks, as they say on the leeward side of the pond. Why? As my dearly departed mother used to say, "Because that's the way it is." Trivia: The "correct" way to pronounce 'leeward.' SignatureDan. > Trivia: The "correct" way to pronounce 'leeward.' It is pronounced "Throatwarbler Mangrove". Can there be any such thing as trivia in this day and age of Internet search engines? http://www.bartleby.com/64/C007/0121.html Signature-Fred W >> Trivia: The "correct" way to pronounce 'leeward.' > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >http://www.bartleby.com/64/C007/0121.html Any silly twit can do *that*. I wasn't looking for someone to crank up a search engine, and then post a link. It was more to ask people who didn't know to do what you did, and maybe find out something new and interesting in the process. There's no way that anyone could credibly claim here now that they knew that before they looked it up. It's not another dick-size war. SignatureDan. >>>Trivia: The "correct" way to pronounce 'leeward.' >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > There's no way that anyone could credibly claim here now that they > knew that before they looked it up. It's not another dick-size war. Who gives a rat's a.s what the hell you were looking for? Did you really expect someone wouldn't search on that? Besides you missed the whole throatwarbler joke, asshat. And it was a good. But forget it... Between you and the Peter Turtill putz... and all this MI5 smegma being broadcast. This really is the last straw. I'm not going to even bother kill-filing you. There hasn't been a decent thing discussed on this newsgroup in over 6 months. I'll just be unsubscribing so you and your betheren can discuss whatever gets your panties wet. After over 4 years of reading and contribution, this newsgroup has become useless. Inept. Retarded. Inane. Buh Bye. Signature-Fred W PS - G'Bye Jeff Strickland, and a few others. I have enjoyed conversing with you over the years. Good Luck. >I'm not going to even bother kill-filing you. There hasn't been a >decent thing discussed on this newsgroup in over 6 months. I'll just be >unsubscribing so you and your betheren can discuss whatever gets your >panties wet. It's lumping me in with Turtill that *really* hurts. SignatureDan. > and all this MI5 smegma being broadcast. This really is the last straw Strangely it's something I know a little about. He's been posting to uk.misc about this for many years and is regarded there as just *their* eccentric. Always has MI5 in the title and doesn't use socks so easy to filter. How on earth he managed to post to so many groups without their spam filters grabbing it I dunno. Signature*It is wrong to ever split an infinitive * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> and all this MI5 smegma being broadcast. This really is the last straw > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > filter. How on earth he managed to post to so many groups without their > spam filters grabbing it I dunno. What sometimes surprises me, is when he posts maybe 30 posts, more or less at the same time, all with a slightly different subject line. TBH I feel quite sorry for the guy. An extreme case of paranoia IMO. He seems to genuinely feels he is being spied upon. Through, hidden microphones, television sets etc. AFAIK he now won't have a telly in the house. Strange this is, I often get the feeling from his posts, that he knows he is being irrational, but can't do anything about it. Mike. >> Have any E39's got good h/brakes? > > The e39 handbrake is not the best one in the world. You can lock up > the rear wheels at speed with many handbrakes, but don't expect to do > *anything* like that on the e39. Even when it's brand new and fully > fettled. It sucks, as they say on the leeward side of the pond. My '92 535 failed the last inspection because the e-brake was too weak, that and rusty rear brake discs. Got new discs and shoes, and now it's acceptable, but not much more. It was easy to adjust though, at both ends. > Why? As my dearly departed mother used to say, "Because that's the > way it is." > > Trivia: The "correct" way to pronounce 'leeward.' "Leeward?" Ulf >> Trivia: The "correct" way to pronounce 'leeward.' > >"Leeward?" No. You missed Fred's "joke" about it being pronounced 'throgmorgleworble spittlenipple,' and then getting bent out of shape and unsubscribing because nobody thought it was funny. He did post a link to a dictionary that provided the pronunciation before he went off in a snit though. There's a lesson there for us all. SignatureDan. > Have any E39's got good h/brakes? > Auto 528i [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It did pass the MOT though, which was my main concern. > Mike. I recently did the ones on my 740 which I would wager has a stronger pull at idle in gear than yours and it holds it but I often drive 10-20 yards before the computer tells me the parking brake is still on. On the 7 the parking brake is foot operated. If the garage did the work they probably didn't test it or passed it thinking it will bed in which it will if you follow the correct procedure but with it being an auto you don;t really need a parking brake anyway. I rarely use mine - I think I'm turning american. All drum-in-disc brakes on BMWs and most other cars are poor compared to the old style main drum shoe operated ones. On rally cars the handbrake is usually upgraded to hydraulically operated to be able to do handbrake turns but at least in the UK that's not legal for the test. >> Have any E39's got good h/brakes? >> Auto 528i [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > procedure but with it being an auto you don;t really need a parking > brake anyway. I rarely use mine - I think I'm turning american. As you say, with an auto you don't really need a h/brake, but I am aware of of the irritation to a following driver, at say traffic lights, if you sit there with your foot on the brake. On a level road I'd often stick it in neutral. At least now if I use neutral, the h/brake will hold on a slight slope. Something it wouldn't do before. By the state of the drums in the old discs, I think it's a question of use it or lose it. The braking surface was quite heavily rusted, something that's bound to happen if the h/brake is rarely used. The rusted surface was quite heavily glazed, as were the shoe linings. The reason they were so innefective when I bought the car, about 3 months ago. Mike. > As you say, with an auto you don't really need a h/brake, but I am aware of > of the irritation to a following driver, at say traffic lights, if you sit [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > innefective when I bought the car, about 3 months ago. > Mike. Yeah but you don't use the handbrake in the same way on an auto as a manual so to stop it rusting too badly you need to occasionally drive with it on a little. > As you say, with an auto you don't really need a h/brake, but I am aware > of of the irritation to a following driver, at say traffic lights, if > you sit there with your foot on the brake. I always plonk it into park if I know I've got a wait before moving off. Always have done with autos. Snag with the E39 handbrake is it's the same on a manual. Must make hill starts fun. ;-) Last manual I had with this system was an E28 and it was ok. My E34 was an auto, but I remember that handbrake being better. Signature*Prepositions are not words to end sentences with * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >Snag with the E39 handbrake is it's the same on a manual. Must make hill >starts fun. ;-) Last manual I had with this system was an E28 and it was >ok. My E34 was an auto, but I remember that handbrake being better. My e39 is a relatively new properly (whatever...) maintained manual gearbox, but the handbrake won't hold it on anything more than a moderate hill. The handbrake on the much older e30 I have bites like a bastard, you could do 30 mph handbrake turns with it. SignatureDan. >> As you say, with an auto you don't really need a h/brake, but I am aware >> of of the irritation to a following driver, at say traffic lights, if [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > starts fun. ;-) Last manual I had with this system was an E28 and it was > ok. My E34 was an auto, but I remember that handbrake being better. You're right. The h/brake on my E34 is fine. It holds quite well even on fairly steep slopes. No problem at all in holding the car at tickover in drive. Mike. |
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