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Jules - 07 Jan 2007 21:24 GMT
Hi all
I have noted this before in my head, as it seems a common problem, and now i
think my car is sufferant from it.

About 150 miles i get the coolant warning on the dash, i could never find a
leak, athough for the first time when i was parked i found a puddle of
water, i kept checking the oil to see if it was mixing, but no...so i guess
its the problem where the radiator and the filler leaks from somwhere.

The car is a 96 525i Auto Touring, done 270000 miles, me doing 6 in a couple
of months of that.

I do have a 92 or 94 520i, which im hoping to fix (a tyre blew and pulled me
into the kerb just bending the front susp etc)  I had thought of swapping
them, but then im still in the same boat.  I prefer the looks on this one
and it handles better than the touring, although the extra bhp and torque
makes a big differance.

Can this leak be fixed, thats if its the usual place that people talked
about (i dont know where) or can i get a aftermarket item.

any info app
cheers
R. Mark Clayton - 07 Jan 2007 21:46 GMT
> Hi all
> I have noted this before in my head, as it seems a common problem, and now
> i
> think my car is sufferant from it.

Follow your nose.  Switch off when hot see if you can smeel / see where the
steam is coming from..

> About 150 miles i get the coolant warning on the dash, i could never find
> a
> leak, athough for the first time when i was parked i found a puddle of
> water,

If you have AC then it is probably condensate.

> i kept checking the oil to see if it was mixing, but no...so i guess
> its the problem where the radiator and the filler leaks from somwhere.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> any info app
> cheers
Jules - 08 Jan 2007 03:27 GMT
> > Hi all
> > I have noted this before in my head, as it seems a common problem, and now
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Follow your nose.  Switch off when hot see if you can smeel / see where the
> steam is coming from..

Now i have a rough idea and can take a look, i took a few quick looks but
saw nothing...and other times it was empty

> > About 150 miles i get the coolant warning on the dash, i could never find
> > a
> > leak, athough for the first time when i was parked i found a puddle of
> > water,
>
> If you have AC then it is probably condensate.

Its my first ever car with AC, i was told by the previous owner if needs
refilling, i know nothing about AC what so ever...it was something that i
never needed or need now

> > i kept checking the oil to see if it was mixing, but no...so i guess
> > its the problem where the radiator and the filler leaks from somwhere.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> > any info app
> > cheers
R. Mark Clayton - 08 Jan 2007 12:01 GMT
>> > Hi all
>> > I have noted this before in my head, as it seems a common problem, and
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Now i have a rough idea and can take a look, i took a few quick looks but
> saw nothing...and other times it was empty

Mist - smell of manky kettle - more noticable if you have anti-freeze in.

>> > About 150 miles i get the coolant warning on the dash, i could never
> find
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> refilling, i know nothing about AC what so ever...it was something that i
> never needed or need now

The AC condenses water as part of its normal operation.  When you stop the
car some of this drips underneath the car.

>> > i kept checking the oil to see if it was mixing, but no...so i guess
>> > its the problem where the radiator and the filler leaks from somwhere.

Oil in the water - forms a film in the header tank.

Water in the oil - forms an emulsion a bit like mayonaise found around the
filler cap.

Water in the combustion chambers - white smoke.

Oil in the combustion chambers - blue or black smoke.

Air in the water - high pressure etc.

All indicate leakage between the various galleries in the head and / or the
combustion chamber.  This can be caused by cracks, warpage, lost or
incorrect head bolt tension, worn rings, burnt valves or failed gaskets
etc..

>> > The car is a 96 525i Auto Touring, done 270000 miles, me doing 6 in a
>> > couple
>> > of months of that.

270k - not bad, but bound to be a bit worn by now!

>> > I do have a 92 or 94 520i, which im hoping to fix (a tyre blew and
> pulled
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> > any info app
>> > cheers
Jules - 08 Jan 2007 12:25 GMT
> >> > Hi all
> >> > I have noted this before in my head, as it seems a common problem, and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> > the
> >> steam is coming from..

will do, i can do it a couple of times on route

> > Now i have a rough idea and can take a look, i took a few quick looks but
> > saw nothing...and other times it was empty
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> The AC condenses water as part of its normal operation.  When you stop the
> car some of this drips underneath the car.

Thanks, AC is new to me, cant see the point of it over here and i know when
its running is uses more power/fuel

> >> > i kept checking the oil to see if it was mixing, but no...so i guess
> >> > its the problem where the radiator and the filler leaks from somwhere.
>
> Oil in the water - forms a film in the header tank.
>
> Water in the oil - forms an emulsion a bit like mayonaise found around the

> filler cap.
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> incorrect head bolt tension, worn rings, burnt valves or failed gaskets
> etc..

Yep, i havent noticed any at all and kept looking, no loss of power etc

> >> > The car is a 96 525i Auto Touring, done 270000 miles, me doing 6 in a
> >> > couple
> >> > of months of that.
>
> 270k - not bad, but bound to be a bit worn by now!

True, doesnt smoke, had a FSH and the week after getting it i toured E
Germany and Poland in it without a hitch, never lost a drop of oil or water
and just needed topping up a little after 3000 miles when it poppped up on
the dash

> >> > I do have a 92 or 94 520i, which im hoping to fix (a tyre blew and
> > pulled
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> >> > any info app
> >> > cheers
R. Mark Clayton - 08 Jan 2007 12:55 GMT
>> >> Follow your nose.  Switch off when hot see if you can smeel / see
>> >> where
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> when
> its running is uses more power/fuel

Summer - keeps car interior cool (& dry).

In winter - keeps car interior dry and prevents windows misting up.
Yvan - 08 Jan 2007 16:54 GMT
Nedavno R. Mark Clayton pise:

| Water in the combustion chambers - white smoke.

I have white smoke coming out from my exhaust. But coolant level is not
changed. Is there any other reason that may be the cause of a white
smoke? And since water can get in combustion chamber than you would
probably get air in the radiator - high pressure?

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R. Mark Clayton - 08 Jan 2007 17:40 GMT
> Nedavno R. Mark Clayton pise:
>
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> changed. Is there any other reason that may be the cause of a white
> smoke?

Fuel contaminated with water.
Mixture [far] too weak.

> And since water can get in combustion chamber than you would
> probably get air in the radiator - high pressure?
Yvan - 08 Jan 2007 21:45 GMT
Nedavno R. Mark Clayton pise:

| Fuel contaminated with water.
| Mixture [far] too weak.

Thank you, I'll check that.

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John Burns - 07 Jan 2007 22:02 GMT
> About 150 miles i get the coolant warning on the dash, i could never find a
> leak, athough for the first time when i was parked i found a puddle of
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> The car is a 96 525i Auto Touring, done 270000 miles, me doing 6 in a couple
> of months of that.

I'd have the cooling system pressure tested.

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Jules - 08 Jan 2007 03:28 GMT
> > About 150 miles i get the coolant warning on the dash, i could never find a
> > leak, athough for the first time when i was parked i found a puddle of
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> I'd have the cooling system pressure tested.

I havent got the cash to do that.  bit like i aint got the cash to change
the rad at the mo, should it not be fixable
JB - 08 Jan 2007 09:15 GMT
>> > About 150 miles i get the coolant warning on the dash, i could never
> find a
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> I havent got the cash to do that.  bit like i aint got the cash to change
> the rad at the mo, should it not be fixable

You haven't got the cash to _not_ do it. £20 now or several hundred for a
new head etc later?
JB
Jules - 08 Jan 2007 12:19 GMT
> >> > About 150 miles i get the coolant warning on the dash, i could never
> > find a
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> new head etc later?
> JB

At the mo i havent got 20 quid spare, was laid off from my PT job.  Not till
next week at least
Dave Plowman (News) - 08 Jan 2007 09:17 GMT
> About 150 miles i get the coolant warning on the dash, i could never
> find a leak, athough for the first time when i was parked i found a
> puddle of water, i kept checking the oil to see if it was mixing, but
> no...so i guess its the problem where the radiator and the filler leaks
> from somwhere.

It's an expensive way to guess where a leak may be. If normal methods
fail to find it, have the system pressurized and dye added. Small leaks
often just evaporate away leaving no trace without the dye.

In my case the small leak turned out to be the water pump seal.

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Jules - 08 Jan 2007 12:20 GMT
> > About 150 miles i get the coolant warning on the dash, i could never
> > find a leak, athough for the first time when i was parked i found a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>  In my case the small leak turned out to be the water pump seal.

I have noticed where many leaks have come from over cars over the past 20
years, apart from the odd one where it comes out in a jet and hits
somethings else...i will clean everything up and see if i can notice
 
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