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Car Forum / BMW Cars / February 2007Pissed off - on a scale of 1-10: about 8.5
Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta You've never guess what that bastard branch dropped on to - yeah!!! Dirty great dent in my bonnet now. Hate the thought o a repair as they never match silver right - and mine was completely 100% original Sooooo pissed off! This is worse on the scale of pissed off than a Tesco's car park dent by MILES (not that many trolleys get on to bonnets...) > Hate the thought o a repair as they never match silver right - and mine > was completely 100% original A *good* body shop should be able to match any colour - it's often just a case of blending in to surrounding panels. I've just had the side of my Oxford Green E39 done and they've matched it perfectly - even down to the factory orange peel.  Signature*Why is the time of day with the slowest traffic called rush hour? Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> Hate the thought o a repair as they never match silver right - and mine >> was completely 100% original > > A *good* body shop should be able to match any colour I agree. I've had panels on 2 metallic silver cars resprayed. I would defy anyone to see which ones they were, and on one, the resprayed rear wing had to blend in to the original paint on the rear quarter panel. Even though I know it's there. I can't see where the blend occurrs. Done by A & B Autos in Kingsfold West Sussex if anyone is interested. Mike. >>> Hate the thought o a repair as they never match silver right - and mine >>> was completely 100% original [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Done by A & B Autos in Kingsfold West Sussex if anyone is interested. > Mike. Have you looked in sodium light? Normally becomes apparent >>>> Hate the thought o a repair as they never match silver right - and mine >>>> was completely 100% original [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> > Have you looked in sodium light? Normally becomes apparent I've had the car some years since it was resprayed, so I think if that were the case, I'd have noticed by now. One thing I have noticed with metallics, is that it's not just a question of colour. The flake, or grain size is also critical. I've seen metallic respray jobs where the colour matched, but the flake size didn't match. A good sprayer though wouldn't make that mistake. As a point of interest, the previous owner had the bonnet resprayed on my silver E34. Apparently it had so many stone chips, that it was the cheapest way to get rid of them. If the previous owner hadn't told me, I'd have been none the wiser, as there was nothing to show it had been done. The only indication that might have suggested it had been, was that it was 'too' free of stone chips, for such a high mileage car. I wouldn't worry about the bonnet if it were my car. As long as the car goes to a good sprayshop It'll probably look better than it did before. I'm sure it must have stone chips on it at present. Apart from the dent of course. :-) Mike. >As a point of interest, the previous owner had the bonnet resprayed on my >silver E34. Apparently it had so many stone chips, that it was the cheapest >way to get rid of them. I'm wondering what that would cost... > >As a point of interest, the previous owner had the bonnet resprayed on > >my silver E34. Apparently it had so many stone chips, that it was the > >cheapest way to get rid of them. > I'm wondering what that would cost... In the UK if you budget at 300 gbp per panel you won't be far out. Surprisingly that doesn't seem to vary much with the damage to that panel assuming it can be repaired. So it's obviously the actual paint preparation that takes the time rather than the repair of that damage even if it's only sanding out paint chips or knocking out a dent. Signature*Why do overlook and oversee mean opposite things? Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >>> As a point of interest, the previous owner had the bonnet resprayed on >>> my silver E34. Apparently it had so many stone chips, that it was the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > preparation that takes the time rather than the repair of that damage even > if it's only sanding out paint chips or knocking out a dent. re placement panel though. Make it ~ £550 >Have you looked in sodium light? Normally becomes apparent Grr, I hate those! I had a 911 hood (bonnet) re-sprayed once for rock chips and it looked fine everywhere *except* in the garage where I parked it everyday because they had those lights. epbrown -- How can you know where I'm at if you haven't been where I been? Can you see where I'm coming from? "How I Could Just Kill A Man" Cypress Hill >>Have you looked in sodium light? Normally becomes apparent > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >How can you know where I'm at if you haven't been where I been? >Can you see where I'm coming from? "How I Could Just Kill A Man" Cypress Hill One of the reasons for using FACTORY mixed balanced paint - I don't mean BMW just the pain manufacturer - DuPont, Glasso, Valentine etc. DO NOT GET THE BODY SHOP TO MIX UNLESS A TOTAL repaint but even then I would think more than twice about it. Take this as truth I used to do custom body work and my 'shop' did shed loads of metallic BMWs and Mercs (Oops) Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK silver is tough, especially old, faded silver. My 330 hood was replaced and they blended the fenders... nice job, but it was only 3 years old. >> Hate the thought o a repair as they never match silver right - and mine >> was completely 100% original [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oxford Green E39 done and they've matched it perfectly - even down to the > factory orange peel. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Oh dear, i think i know how you feel. i've got a '89 730i which was immaculate inside and out and i mean IMMACULATE, until some jealous small person scratched 2 doors 2wings and the bonnet with what i can only imagine was either a stanley knife or something similar. the scratches are too fine for it to of been a key. > Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch > down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sooooo pissed off! This is worse on the scale of pissed off than a > Tesco's car park dent by MILES (not that many trolleys get on to bonnets...) Just be thankful it wasn't in our car park where a 50' lime tree came down and literally cut a fiesta in half! Luckily no-one in it or near by... and it was a hire car ;-) >> Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch >> down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > and literally cut a fiesta in half! Luckily no-one in it or near by... and > it was a hire car ;-) In some ways, that is more finite. Now, I am looking at it every day. In many ways, I'd prefer to be looking for a whole new motor. > >> Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch > >> down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > In some ways, that is more finite. Now, I am looking at it every day. > In many ways, I'd prefer to be looking for a whole new motor. I'm sure it will get sorted eventually. its a bugger, I tiank many on here (me included) will have had cars damaged that we hold dear. At least its only bodywork and nothing more. New panel (or a good repair) and paint from a decent bodyshop will sort it. >Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch >down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Sooooo pissed off! This is worse on the scale of pissed off than a >Tesco's car park dent by MILES (not that many trolleys get on to bonnets...) Legal matter Who OWNS the tree? Council - easy matter to sue for compensation as they are liable for the safety of everything they own and ACT OF GOD is bullshit. If private owner - much easier as they will capitulate and pass any claims to the house insurance company. If uninsured then they are idiots and you can still sue in county court. If rented then the landlord is responsible - sue them/him/her - 3rd party risks. Honestly no real problem - if info is not available then local Post Office has voters lists, Land Registry has owner details. Town Hall has residents lists (council tax etc.) Go for it............... Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK >>Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch >>down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > safety > of everything they own and ACT OF GOD is bullshit. Yes but whose fault is it if it falls? Easy if it was obviously leaning or split, but if a healthy tree is blown over - how are you going to prove negligence against the landowner? >>> Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch >>> down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > split, but if a healthy tree is blown over - how are you going to prove > negligence against the landowner? I agree. Ownership alone is not enough. Neglect must be shown. Down to my insurance (and they can try a claim if they see fit) >>>Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch >>>down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >split, but if a healthy tree is blown over - how are you going to prove >negligence against the landowner? Don't have to - 3rd party risks. You don't always have to prove negligence in a traffic accident as it's an ACCIDENT and not malicious. Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK >>>> Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch >>>> down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > hsg@h-gee.co.uk > Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK crap - not an accident - its a collision and there is blatant blame and therefore negligence. Tripping up and falling against a car is an accident! >> Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch >> down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > hsg@h-gee.co.uk > Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK I disagree. If a tree is neglected then a claim may be available. If extreme weather conditions are the cause, then it is tuff. Anyway - my insurance claim isn't my biggest gripe. > Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch > down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sooooo pissed off! This is worse on the scale of pissed off than a Tesco's > car park dent by MILES (not that many trolleys get on to bonnets...) I had a bronze 735i sprayed once. It was more gold coloured afterwards (as you could tell by looking on the inside of panels etc., but on the outside it all matched perfectly, and if anything the finish was better, although a little soft. The advantage of a bonnet is that it can be taken off, sprayed and baked. Given silver looks different from different angles don't worry too much about a match. > The advantage of a bonnet is that it can be taken off, sprayed and baked. All pro paint is baked these days. The complete car goes in an oven. It's water based and would take ages to dry otherwise. Signature*Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> The advantage of a bonnet is that it can be taken off, sprayed and baked. > >All pro paint is baked these days. The complete car goes in an oven. It's >water based and would take ages to dry otherwise. Eh! Not really Dave - water based paint is kind of "Blow Dry" - Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK > >All pro paint is baked these days. The complete car goes in an oven. > >It's water based and would take ages to dry otherwise. > Eh! Not really Dave - water based paint is kind of "Blow Dry" - You'll need to explain this. The 'oven' will obviously have air circulation to aid the drying process, but it's the heat which does the main work. Otherwise they'd do it at ambient temp and save the not inconsiderable cost. Signature*Why isn't 11 pronounced onety one? * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> >All pro paint is baked these days. The complete car goes in an oven. >> >It's water based and would take ages to dry otherwise. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >main work. Otherwise they'd do it at ambient temp and save the not >inconsiderable cost. Yes actually that's it a giant hair dryer assembly - not much heat with water based paints. The Spray booths are being re-kitted to accommodate the new technology of water based paints. Thinners are actually distilled water (pure) and not much is used as the paint is generally close to spraying viscosity from the tin. Sometimes the paint is heated slightly as one would do with commercial enamels (coach paint as used on commercial vehicles ICI called it BELCO IIRC?). The "oven" or drying chamber as it is now has warm air blowing on the painted parts to "cure" or "dry" the paint. The old 2 pack Acrylics are being phased out as are the low bake additives but I can't tell you the time scale but I do know that Cellulose or rather Nitro-Cellulose paint will be phased out within 10 years possibly 8 and the 2 pack Iso-Cyonates are banned now (I think) but someone else can put us right on this. Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK Question should be "why not tenty-one", to be consistent. Oddly (oddly, geddit, 11 is an odd number) you could ask a similar or related question in other languages DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > *Why isn't 11 pronounced onety one? * [...] >> The advantage of a bonnet is that it can be taken off, sprayed and baked. > > All pro paint is baked these days. The complete car goes in an oven. It's > water based and would take ages to dry otherwise. They use sort of heat lamps. You couldn't heat a car to the temperature used in the factory without ruining the leather upholstery, electronics etc. But you could do this to a bonnet. > > All pro paint is baked these days. The complete car goes in an oven. > > It's water based and would take ages to dry otherwise. > They use sort of heat lamps. You couldn't heat a car to the temperature > used in the factory without ruining the leather upholstery, electronics > etc. But you could do this to a bonnet. Never the less the whole car goes in an oven. I've just had one car done. Car trim materials have to stand very high temperatures anyway - just what do you think happens when you leave your car in the sun on a hot day? Signature*Windows will never cease * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. Fading... DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] - just what > do you think happens when you leave your car in the sun on a hot day? >>> All pro paint is baked these days. The complete car goes in an oven. >>> It's water based and would take ages to dry otherwise. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Car trim materials have to stand very high temperatures anyway - just what > do you think happens when you leave your car in the sun on a hot day? Wrong - I just came back from the body shop - the sides of cars were being 'set' with a portable wall of infra-red lamps - and this was in the open area. No oeven for this one. > Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch > down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sooooo pissed off! This is worse on the scale of pissed off than a Tesco's > car park dent by MILES (not that many trolleys get on to bonnets...) www.fabdirect.com Not cheap but I'll bet they have the right part in the correct colour JB Bimmers don't have any priviledge over anybody else. Full stop. Don't complain about that. Should you have made reference to the pavement in your comparison, it'd have been better. However, I perfectly understand your rage and I sympathize with you. It's never a pleasure to get one's car damaged even with a barely visible mark. I hope you will find a good painter. Does your insurance company cover this damage ? If yes, don't let them choose the workshop. Good luck > Bloody tree I was parked under 2 days ago - dropped a chunk of branch > down. underneath was a Skoda, a BMW 530 (mine) and a fiesta [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Sooooo pissed off! This is worse on the scale of pissed off than a > Tesco's car park dent by MILES (not that many trolleys get on to bonnets...) Why not? As long as it's a manufacturer's approved bodyshop? Not every main dealership's garage has its own bodyshop anyway! Could save a lot of hassle with payments. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] Does your insurance company cover this > damage ? If yes, don't let them choose the workshop. [...] By experience, when I let my car to the insurance agreed garage, often not a 'big' workshop but an independant with 2 or 3 guys and limited facilities, he prefers to perform handwork instead of changing the parts. Far less expensive for him but same hole in the wallet with the result of a pretty lower quality. It's the same with the paint: orange skin. I had once to complain to the company asking him to redo the job. Last time I had a dent with the Z3, I let the car in Monaco. The other company was paying the bill ! Perfect work. There's a big difference between 'insurance company approved' and 'manufacturer approved' ! Bye > Why not? As long as it's a manufacturer's approved bodyshop? Not every > main dealership's garage has its own bodyshop anyway! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > damage ? If yes, don't let them choose the workshop. > [...] > By experience, when I let my car to the insurance agreed garage, often > not a 'big' workshop but an independant with 2 or 3 guys and limited > facilities, he prefers to perform handwork instead of changing the > parts. Far less expensive for him but same hole in the wallet with the > result of a pretty lower quality. It's the same with the paint: orange > skin. I had once to complain to the company asking him to redo the job. > Last time I had a dent with the Z3, I let the car in Monaco. The other > company was paying the bill ! > Perfect work. > There's a big difference between 'insurance company approved' and > 'manufacturer approved' ! I'd agree. But not in the way you'd think. I've just had my 'other' car resprayed and the paint finish on that is far superior to the factory one on my E39 which is poor. Signature*The hardness of the butter is proportional to the softness of the bread * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > Why not? As long as it's a manufacturer's approved bodyshop? Not every > main dealership's garage has its own bodyshop anyway! I had a scrape on the rear wing done at my main dealer. Paid for it myself - wasn't worth losing my no claims bonus. They farm it out - but everything is done through them. The colour match was poor and you could see sanding marks under the paint. I eventually settled for most of the cost back. Recently I had two further scrapes on the same side done which the insurance paid for and I got them to do that wing as well which I paid for. Perfect match. But not a main dealer... As an aside, no car I've ever owned has suffered so much damage as this one. Always happens when parked - I've never hit anything with it. Signature*I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be without sponges* Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> Why not? As long as it's a manufacturer's approved bodyshop? Not every >> main dealership's garage has its own bodyshop anyway! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >As an aside, no car I've ever owned has suffered so much damage as this >one. Always happens when parked - I've never hit anything with it. Dave - I know you have a 5 series - have you had any damage done to the top section of the door skins - the bit under the window but over the handle about 1/2 way along? I have began to notice little dents in both front and rear doors and put this down to arseholes in the "larger" Chelsea Taxis" 4x4 for you US guys not thinking when opening the doors on neighbouring vehicles in car parks. Bit of a pig to fix and is it worth it as next week you'll get another ding...! Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK E.g. I had to have a side-panel respray (black metallic, another famous German brand) under insurance. Choice was to go a) with the insurer (Norwich Union)-nominated bodyshop and have no paperwork involvement including the courtesy car (just needed to pay the excess) or b) via the main dealer, get a quote, approval and various hassles and I did not even ask about the courtesy car... I chose (a) especially when I discovered that the insurer's bodyshop was one of two in the area used as contractor by the main dealer. No hassle, no fuss, satisfactory job. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > I had a scrape on the rear wing done at my main dealer. Paid for it > myself - wasn't worth losing my no claims bonus. They farm it out - but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > As an aside, no car I've ever owned has suffered so much damage as this > one. Always happens when parked - I've never hit anything with it. > Bimmers don't have any priviledge over anybody else. Full stop. Don't > complain about that. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> Tesco's car park dent by MILES (not that many trolleys get on to > bonnets...) Course we do!!!!!! :) Yes - my insurance covers it They selected my main BMW dealership - so I'll not be arguing there!!! |
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