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Car Forum / BMW Cars / February 2007

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Another E36 fuel guage issue

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MW de Jager - 27 Feb 2007 13:08 GMT
Ok, the car's done this before.  I mean the guage stayed on empty after
filling the tank.  A week ago, I switched on the ignition half way through
filling up and the guage moved to half.  Switched off the ignition again but
after filling the tank completely, it was still showing only half full.

Drove about 250km and the needle showed almost empty.  (Now how can the
needle move regularly towards empty while it is still over half full?)  So I
filled up, but only about 30 liters went in and the needle is still stuck on
empty.  The fuel low LED has now been on for the last 200km and the needle
is still on empty but fuel consumption computer shows 8 liters per 100km
which is excellent.  If I could just get the needle to show what I've got in
the tank.  Can anyone explain how this works?

PS:  My brother drives a C180 merc and says that his car sometimes still
shows empty just after filling the tank too.  Does the C class merc have the
same crap system for measuring fuel?
Jeff Strickland - 27 Feb 2007 21:29 GMT
You have dirty contacts on one or both of the sender units. The contacts are
wiper-like thingies that work much the same as a rheostat -- potentiometer.
They could work exactly the same way, but saying "much the same" allows for
error.

In any case, my E36 did precisely the same thing as yours is doing. I
removed the left-side fuel sender unit -- mostly because I felt it would be
easier -- and cleaned the contact wiper with a combination of contact
cleaner and a business card to mimic very fine sand paper. I cleaned a
significant amount of black crap from the contact patch and wiper are, and
the sender unit worked properly after that.

The left side and right side sender units work the same way, but the right
side unit also contains the fuel pump. There are two sender units because
there are two discreet gas tanks in the car. There is a pump system that
tries to keep the level in each bladder equal, but there are two senders
none the less. (I like to think that if the levels could be kept equal, then
only one sender would be required.)

To gain access to the senders, remove the rear seat bottom, and carefull
pull back the tar paper material to expose the round cover. Remove the cover
to expose the gas tank. Take off the hoses and wires that are connected, and
remove the ring that holds the sender unit in place. The sender can be
lifted out, you will need to jockey it around to get it out. It (they) only
fit in one way, so you can not put them back in wrong. Take care to not
damage the gasket/o-rings.

I said you can't put them in wrong, that is a bit of an error. You can put
them in crooked, and this affects the sealing when the outer ring is
replaced. You are required to put them in the proper orientation, and this
can not be screwed up.

> Ok, the car's done this before.  I mean the guage stayed on empty after
> filling the tank.  A week ago, I switched on the ignition half way through
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> shows empty just after filling the tank too.  Does the C class merc have
> the same crap system for measuring fuel?
MW de Jager - 28 Feb 2007 06:46 GMT
> You have dirty contacts on one or both of the sender units. The contacts
> are wiper-like thingies that work much the same as a rheostat --  
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>> shows empty just after filling the tank too.  Does the C class merc have
>> the same crap system for measuring fuel?

How much fuel can be in the tank when I attempt this, or are the senders
right at the top?

Thanks again for your very detailed description of how to tackle this job
Jeff, I'm sure I'll be able to fix this myself.

Kind regards
MW
Jeff Strickland - 28 Feb 2007 17:06 GMT
>> You have dirty contacts on one or both of the sender units. The contacts
>> are wiper-like thingies that work much the same as a rheostat --  
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> Thanks again for your very detailed description of how to tackle this job
> Jeff, I'm sure I'll be able to fix this myself.

Well, you open the tank from the top, so technically the tank can be full.
But as a practical matter, I'd suggest you plan your trips so you get home
with a nearly empty tank to work with.

I keep track of my odometer, so I know that if the guage shows E and the
light comes on, and the odometer says 350 miles, then all is well with the
universe, and the tank is in fact empty. (I don't recall at this moment the
actual range, but the point is that the odometer plays a role in the
checks-and-balances of the indicators.) When the indicators are lying, as
yours are, then I use the odometer for my main data set.

Fill the tank, reset the odometer, then refill again when the odo reports
300 miles or so. Try to get back to your garage when the odo reports 250+
miles. This should leave it sufficiently empty to do your work.

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