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Car Forum / BMW Cars / March 2007engineoil grade for BMW diesel engines
I have a BMW 335 diesel. It needs about a liter of engine oil. BMW is asking £16.00 for a liter. Is there an alternative I can buy from Halfords or elsewhere that will be equivalent to the BMW grade? I am in England. To repeat, it is for a diesel engine. TIA, Vijay >I have a BMW 335 diesel. It needs about a liter of engine oil. BMW is >asking £16.00 for a liter. Is there an alternative I can buy from [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Vijay What is the BMW spec.... its in the hand book! SAE numbers and other Euroland specs are all listed but I'd go for a nice full synth and it aint cheap. However if Mobil 1 is listed KwikFit do a nice oil and filter change for around £35 which is about half price of buying the oil and a filter and doing the job yourself. Mobil 1 is about £20 - 4 lit can and you'd need 2 of them + filter and that makes it about £50+ plus dumping the old stuff and the mess etc. Its not worth pissing about. Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote: > >I have a BMW 335 diesel. It needs about a liter of engine oil. BMW is > >asking £16.00 for a liter. Is there an alternative I can buy from [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > h...@h-gee.co.uk > Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK Thanks HUgh. The manual only lists BMW stamped oils and as I only need one liter (my car is only 6 months old) and not an oil and filter change, I thought £16.0 was quite dear. I thought petrol and diesel engines will use the same engine oil but the manual states clearly they are different. Whereas it provides detailed spec under petrol version, it only mentions the BMW stamped oil for diesel. Vijay >On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >Vijay Is this the 3.0L twin turbo diesel? If so the compression ratio is only 17:1 instead of the usual 22:1 of common diesels so I would think the synthetic Mobil 1 etc would be suitable but then again most diesel oils differ only in as much as being highly detergent to keep the sh.t in suspension which I don't think is required for modern high speed common rail turbo diesels. The most important need for good oil is the turbo bearings - take my word for it as a one time builder of turbo cars - those bearings can and do wipe out in milli seconds if the oil is burnt onto the hot floating bearing after a fast run - diesel exhaust don't run as hot as petrol engines but the cost of a damaged turbo can be extortionate. Even the BMW oil MUST have the specs on the bottle........... ASK and write it down and look elsewhere however if you have a NEW BMW why are you moaning about £16?????????????? when the car is worth £25K Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK My BMW diesel listed Castrol 0W-30 and 4 litres was nearer £40 Nick >My BMW diesel listed Castrol 0W-30 and 4 litres was nearer £40 >Nick That because I haven't actually bought any for some time (re KwikFit £39 oil + filter Mobil 1 deal) and as an ex-motor trade person I never consider Retail ;>) this would make an oil + filter job an my V8 something like £85 to do it myself and the aggro of dumping the oil and filter. Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK > That because I haven't actually bought any for some time (re KwikFit £39 > oil + filter Mobil 1 deal) and as an ex-motor trade person I never > consider Retail ;>) There are different grades of Mobil 1.  Signature*A cubicle is just a padded cell without a door. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. On Mar 26, 8:57 am, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote: > >On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > h...@h-gee.co.uk > Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK Thanks Hugh. You are right. I will pick it up from the dealer. It is just that I thought if Ihad already paid close to 40K (yep! not 25K you guessed) for the motor, BMW could have easily topped it up gratis with the liter oil that it required. Car had gone in for a totally unrelated warranty work (to get the indicator fixed) and they discovered the oil consumption. Car has done less than 5K miles. Vijay > Car has done less than 5K miles. Does the oil consumption on these diesels tend to *decrease* as the miles increase? Signaturejeremy ['01 BMW 530iA SE Touring] >> Car has done less than 5K miles. > >Does the oil consumption on these diesels tend to *decrease* as the >miles increase? As before - I bloody hope so as I said they are definitely getting mine back Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK >> Car has done less than 5K miles. > >Does the oil consumption on these diesels tend to *decrease* as the >miles increase? Not typically, no. SignatureNeed Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net >On Mar 26, 8:57 am, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > >Vijay f.ck ME - Send it back for a new engine--------------------- I just bought a 730d - all 46K of it (3 month old ex-dealer demo 2500 miles) and if it uses a litre of oil in 5K miles they are definitely getting the bloody thing back.............. My 1995 740i at 198K miles burns no oil - absolutely nothing - between changes. Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK My 2001 530D burned no oil between changes from new to when I sold it at a mere 30,000 miles - and I drove it quite hard and it was chipped at 10,000 miles to 230 odd bhp - great engine ! and nor did my other BMW 2.5 TDi, an older E34, for the 18 months I had that - sounds like a problem maybe... Nick > My 2001 530D burned no oil between changes from new to when I sold it at a > mere 30,000 miles - and I drove it quite hard and it was chipped at 10,000 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Nick I am going to talk to the BMW people to-morrow. I seem to have read somewhere in the manual that the twin turbo may consume oil between services, particularly from the new. The exact mileage on the car is 5320 miles. The info on the oil from the manual is as follows: Diesel Engines: -> Preferred: BMW Longlife -04 ->Alternative: BMW Longlife-01, BMW Longlife-98 or ACEA A3/B4 Can anyone decipher these for me? Thanks, Vijay >> My 2001 530D burned no oil between changes from new to when I sold it at a >> mere 30,000 miles - and I drove it quite hard and it was chipped at 10,000 [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Vijay Take a look on ANY decent oil company's site for info and spec. The only reason a turbo will use oil is when there is a negative pressure on the inlet (vacuum) such as when you close the throttle on an MAF unit and the engine is still rotating fast - a vacuum occurs in the inlet tract. Now the problem will occur when the turbo is in between the butterfly and the inlet tract and all the air is sucked through the MAF into the throttle housing and then to the turbo and then compressed and fed to the engine. A better idea is to suck CLEAN air through the MAF into the turbo then to the throttle. The main problem here is when you lift off at high speed you get a pressure build up in the inlet and this is why some cars go "Chuff Chuff Chuff" when changing gear up or lifting off at high speed and some boy racers fit blow off valves to keep the turbo spinning fast without loosing pressure. I am not too sure of the BMW inlet routing but if it is between the throttle and inlet tract I would be surprised as this routing can cause oil to be sucked past the bearing seals into the compressor scroll. Turbos designed for this fitting usually have carbon seals to prevent this and those for fitment before the throttle generally do not have this seal (cost + need). That is why and how ------------- But I still advise you to take it back and complain BIG TIME with the operative words being "Can You Fix It?" Do not tell them what to do or what is causing the apparent problem. Get a written undertaking that the problem will NOT be ignored and that you still have 2+ years warranty at unlimited mileage left to get it sorted. My 2p worth. Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK > Diesel Engines: > -> Preferred: BMW Longlife -04 > ->Alternative: BMW Longlife-01, BMW Longlife-98 or ACEA A3/B4 > Can anyone decipher these for me? A Google on ACEA A3/B4 gives loads of hits on alternative makers of this spec oil... Signature*I got a sweater for Christmas. I really wanted a screamer or a moaner* Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. Hello Vijay, I really hope that BMW does not waive oil consumption like Volkswagen: Oil consumption of 1 ltr/ 1000 km is considered as normal for a Rabbit, even a diesel one. >> My 2001 530D burned no oil between changes from new to when I sold >> it at a mere 30,000 miles - and I drove it quite hard and it was [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Vijay Hello Nick, My 530dA 1999 has does not have any oil consumption to talk about even after 150000 miles - and I have used Castrol B3 all the time. > My 2001 530D burned no oil between changes from new to when I sold it > at a mere 30,000 miles - and I drove it quite hard and it was chipped [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Nick > Thanks Hugh. You are right. I will pick it up from the dealer. It is > just that I thought if Ihad already paid close to 40K (yep! not 25K > you guessed) for the motor, BMW could have easily topped it up gratis > with the liter oil that it required. Car had gone in for a totally > unrelated warranty work (to get the indicator fixed) and they > discovered the oil consumption. Car has done less than 5K miles. Welcome to the wonderful world of money grabbing UK BMW dealers. Which one are you using? My best one was putting my still under warranty E39 in for a service with First Front (no longer with us) with a stop lamp just blown and the warning on and it still not working afterwards. On picking up the car and complaining there and then they changed it while I waited - and charged an extra 16 quid... First Front (Wimbledon) became William Jacks but the scams continued. Now Coopers and they are just as bad. With the car now well outside warranty and any re-sale benefit of a FMDSH I use an independant who are honest as well as competent. To make things clear, every time the car went to the main dealer for a service they either didn't do things that were on the service schedule or added extras which weren't required. It's about time something was done about the dishonesty of the UK garage trade. Signature*Honk if you love peace and quiet. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. On Mar 27, 10:16 am, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk> wrote: > In article <1174928883.013004.325...@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Dave Plowman d...@davenoise.co.uk London SW > To e-mail, change noise into sound. I am with Blue Bell Wilmslow. Picked up the liter for £16 and change. They told me that every and any bmw can consume up to quarter liter every 650 miles and bmw considers this within their norm. (BTW, I bumped into a 535d owner who also had to add extra oil between services when he first bought the car. It got better for him with the miles). I agree with you about the independents. When I had the evo, I had the most wonderful service from an independent. You got the same couple of guys who knew my car inside out. I find main dealership to have very young, inexperienced and transient technicians who, soon as they gain some experience, seem to move on. But with this car being new, I think I will stick with the Blue Bell for the duration of the warranty at least. The service intervals are quite spread out. I am not scheduled till October 2008, according to the computer at least. I will get an oil and filter change before then though. Thanks all for your input. Vijay >added extras which weren't required. It's about time something was done >about the dishonesty of the UK garage trade. That and Lucas electrics are half the reason my family moved to Canada when I was a kid. SignatureNeed Mercedes parts? http://parts.mbz.org Richard Sexton | Mercedes stuff: http://mbz.org 1970 280SE, 72 280SE | Home pages: http://rs79.vrx.net 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | http://aquaria.net http://killi.net >>added extras which weren't required. It's about time something was done >>about the dishonesty of the UK garage trade. > >That and Lucas electrics are half the reason my family moved to Canada when I was a kid. Now owned by TRW - for information ---- Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK > >added extras which weren't required. It's about time something was done > >about the dishonesty of the UK garage trade. > That and Lucas electrics are half the reason my family moved to Canada > when I was a kid. Why? Did your dad get caught nicking them? ;-) They're now owned by a US company. Signature*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> >added extras which weren't required. It's about time something was done >> >about the dishonesty of the UK garage trade. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >They're now owned by a US company. And Smith & Wesson is owned by a British company. What's your point, really? SignatureDan. >>> >added extras which weren't required. It's about time something was done >>> >about the dishonesty of the UK garage trade. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >And Smith & Wesson is owned by a British company. What's your point, >really? That's why Dirty Harry used the 44 Magnum - he knew it worked every time! Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK >>>> That and Lucas electrics are half the reason my family moved to Canada >>>> when I was a kid. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >That's why Dirty Harry... <snip> Ah, yes. But Dirty Harry is a fictional character. Didn't he have an orangutan for a sidekick at some point? Maybe we should find out what make of car it is that orangutans drive, and then follow their lead. Not that I have a dog in this fight, but you wouldn't believe the hit that Smith & Wesson's sales took in the US a couple of years ago after they publicly backed some proposal for toughening up on gun registration and control. But, I digress. SignatureDan. Hello hsg@h-gee.co.uk, Compression is what you calculate from static engine data. The reason that a turbo diesel has lower compression than a diesel without turbo is that the supercharge that the turbo(s) add to the inlet pressure makes the pressure high enough anyway for ignition. The pressure in the 335d engine with it high horsepowers would be hellish high and the demand on the oil... >> On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > hsg@h-gee.co.uk > Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK Hello Vijay, The car that you have newly bought, what did you pay for it? What is 16£ compared to that sum? Any guarantees would be void if you do not use the oil that BMW recommends... > On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Vijay >Hello Vijay, > >The car that you have newly bought, what did you pay for it? What is 16£ >compared to that sum? Any guarantees would be void if you do not use the >oil that BMW recommends... £16 = $28US approx or 25 approx Where are you - If in Sweden then expect to pay 3 x UK price >> On Mar 25, 10:10 pm, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> >> Vijay Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK > The car that you have newly bought, what did you pay for it? What is 16£ > compared to that sum? Any guarantees would be void if you do not use the > oil that BMW recommends... Make that oil conforming to their specification. It doesn't have to come out of a BMW container. Signature*A bicycle can't stand alone because it's two tyred.* Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > Hello Vijay, > > The car that you have newly bought, what did you pay for it? What is 16£ > compared to that sum? Any guarantees would be void if you do not use the > oil that BMW recommends... I paid close to £39,000.00. Don't have the exact amount at hand. I only added the SatNav. I got exactly £1000.00 off of the retail cost. As it was a brand new model, I thought that was a reasonable deal. Talking about oil consumption, I owned a Porsche Cayman S for about 6 months last year. In the first 4000 miles, I had to twice add oil (1 liter each time). Vijay >> Hello Vijay, >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Vijay Sorry to say but Auto Express say list price for a 335d SE is £34,550 + Del etc which is usually £532, Number plates £25, First registration fee £38 and 12 months road tax £195. What extras did you order? Wheels, 6 x CD unit, tea maker, sandwich toaster? Didn't you pay the extra £1000 for 5 years service and maintenance? I cannot see if it's a basic 335d SE how the £39K comes into it. I just bought an ex demo 730d SE almost fully loaded and priced it at £59712.00. new on the road retail. Give 6 months depreciation and 3500K miles on the clock it was priced at £46995 I offered £37K and we settled on £40K with free delivery - 1000 miles from Scotland to Chichester UK. Now that's not a bad deal - I probably got this at near COST price with the benefit of the road tax and BMW assist. I will check the oil when it arrives next Wednesday but the first service is not due until 2008 ----------? Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK On Mar 30, 10:39 pm, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote: > >> Hello Vijay, > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > h...@h-gee.co.uk > Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK Apologies! Looked at the invoice. It is around £37000 and not £39K. £37358.00 to be exact. The only other option other than professional SatNav I ordered was partial leather. Good luck with your limo:-) Vijay > Hello Vijay, > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > > Vijay I am sorry I misunderstood your question/comment. You are right, £16 is pittance compared with what I paid for the car but by the same token, if the dealership had discovered, incidentally I may add, that it needed a liter of oil, they could have gotten a lot more than £16.00 in good will by just topping it gratis. That was my point and as I have posted earlier, I did cough up the £16.64 for the oil. Thanks for your input. Vijay >> Hello Vijay, >> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > >Vijay I know where you are coming from Vijay -------- the cost to them would be about £4.00 + 2 mins labour making it about £2340.68 inc VAT Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK |
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