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Car Forum / BMW Cars / April 2007bmw remote door locks
I have a 2002 bmw 330 convertible. The key has three buttons built in for remote locking and unlocking of doors and trunk.. Unfortunately, the brilliant designers made the key rechargeable ...only when the key is in the ignition and the car is running. you cannot replace the battery. The net result is that if you do not run the car a great deal, the key doesn't work properly - - won't unlock the car or does so intermittently. I've given up talking to BMW. They told me to drive the car more. Has anybody figured out a work around for this problem. Bald-Eagle > the key rechargeable .[but]..only when the key > is in the ignition and the car is running. you cannot replace the > battery. Why not leave the ignition switched on whilst you charge the battery overnight in your garage? >I have a 2002 bmw 330 convertible. The key has three buttons built in >for remote locking and unlocking of doors and trunk.. Unfortunately, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >problem. >Bald-Eagle How old is the car/key? I doubt if BMW use induction charging so there must be a way of changing the batteries or even charging from outside the car. If this is the oblong thing that goes in a slot and you have to press the START/STOP button I'll have a look when I get my new car on Wednesday. This is interesting for me as my wife, who never drives it, will have the same problem. And what if I am the only person to use the car and I keep the spare key in a drawer in the kitchen? Will that become unusable? I think BMW have thought of this and the dealer is fobbing you of with a load of crap..................... You probably have a dodgy unit - how old is the car? If still under warranty the key is still part of the car so tell them to get it sorted. Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK >This is interesting for me as my wife, who never drives it, will have the >same >problem. And what if I am the only person to use the car and I keep the >spare >key in a drawer in the kitchen? Will that become unusable? The manual says to use the "other" key occasionally on a long trip to keep it charged. >>This is interesting for me as my wife, who never drives it, will have the >>same [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >The manual says to use the "other" key occasionally on a long trip to keep >it charged. Persackly. I switch my daily use key with the spare key every six months or so, and I've never had a problem.  SignatureDan. >I have a 2002 bmw 330 convertible. The key has three buttons built in >for remote locking and unlocking of doors and trunk.. Unfortunately, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >problem. >Bald-Eagle Sorry - forgot to mention. The radio waves associated with wireless networking do interfere with the switching signals from many car keys and alarm systems. My E38 had the alarm going off at odd intervals and I asked my neighbour if he had wi-Fi and when it was confirmed I asked him to move the router/switch and since then no problems. When they installed Wi-Fi at work a similar thing happened to several of the cars so the company re-routed the aerials - little problems now and then. There is also a thing going around here in the UK with remote controlled door bell transmitters. Wireless door bells where the button is simply stuck to the door frame and the bell unit is inside somewhere where its easy to hear. Central locking signals can be interrupted if one of these buttons is operated at the same time you are locking and/or unlocking your car. Why --------- You think you locked it and walk away --- thief jumps in and ransacks the stuff you left or releases the brakes and its towed or lifted away... Bye Bye $1000 wheels etc. Caution! Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK >>I have a 2002 bmw 330 convertible. The key has three buttons built in >>for remote locking and unlocking of doors and trunk.. Unfortunately, [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Caution! If you look on the back of the key, the frequency that it uses is listed. mine says 315MHz. Wireless networking uses 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz. Wireless networking frequencies are so far removed from the frequency the key uses that there should be no interference. However, you mention interference with your alarm. That's an entirely different situation. The alarms work by setting up a radio field in and around the car, and then listen to see if that radio field is disturbed. The frequency for the radio field is "microwave" or to be more precise, right smack in the middle of the wireless networking frequencies. So what am I saying here? The alarm is likely to have issues with a wireless network in the area. However, the remote key uses an entirely different part of the radio spectrum, and should not have issues with wireless networking. What you mention about the wireless doorbell trnasmitters can happen. It is quite possible for one of those transmitters to "drown out" the signal your key is sending to the car. That is one reason why I always listen for the sound of the doors locking when I press the lock button. (btw, I strongly dislike cars that beep the horn when locked remotely, that is way too loud). >>I have a 2002 bmw 330 convertible. The key has three buttons built in >>for remote locking and unlocking of doors and trunk.. Unfortunately, [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > hsg@h-gee.co.uk > Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK I have a wireless network at my house which operates in the 2.4 GHZ band. It has never bothered the operation of my wireless remote for my E46 sedan. It is certainly possible for a very strong signal to overpower almost any receiver, but none of these devices send such a signal. Jim Am I completely clueless or what? The car has a lock on the outside that the key fits into. Simply insert the key and give it a twist, then remove the key and insert it into the ignition and go for a drive. What's the big deal? >I have a 2002 bmw 330 convertible. The key has three buttons built in > for remote locking and unlocking of doors and trunk.. Unfortunately, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > problem. > Bald-Eagle >Am I completely clueless or what? The car has a lock on the outside that the >key fits into. Simply insert the key and give it a twist, then remove the >key and insert it into the ignition and go for a drive. What's the big deal? Not as easy as that on the new cars I'm afraid Jeff. Next time you are near a BMW dealer or see one on a sales pitch have a look. The "KEY" is an electronic transmitter coded to the car and nothing on it looks anything like a KEY in the usual sense of the word or usage. This is pushed into a slot - similar to a Compact Flash card - the unit has 3 buttons as the older keys did - LOCK, UNLOCK & OPEN TRUNK/BOOT. Inside it there is an emergency key to unlock the door (people forget about this). There is also a similar unit - non electronic - that holds the plastic REAL emergency key that has the transponder embedded in it. This is real emergency stuff. The usual thing that folk do is to put the plastic key in their wallet or hide it somewhere and put the holder in the glove box etc. Emergency happens and your wife/girlfriend goes off with the key. you take the plastic key from your person (hiding place) and open the door. Grovel around in all the crap you forgot to clear out the glove box and find the carrier. Insert the plastic key in the holder - put the complete holder in slot put foot on brake pedal and press "engine start/stop" button. See simple as skydiving without a parachute! Hugh >>I have a 2002 bmw 330 convertible. The key has three buttons built in >> for remote locking and unlocking of doors and trunk.. Unfortunately, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> problem. >> Bald-Eagle Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK >>Am I completely clueless or what? The car has a lock on the outside that >>the [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > and > press "engine start/stop" button. Not sure of what you mean by a "carrier" for the plastic emergency keys as I have 3 of them (E46, Z4 and R1200RT) but no carriers. They remain in my wallet and work all their respective locks with no problems. Is this "carrier" a UK thing? Tom K. >>>Am I completely clueless or what? The car has a lock on the outside that >>>the [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > >Tom K. Might be different on the 7 series but no KEY. Imagine the KEY without the blade, An oblong unit with 3 buttons on. It fits in a slot about 1 1/8" x 1/4" where it is charged and initilizes the car's computers. To start or stop the engine you have to put your foot on the brake and pres a very large button about 3/4" dia. I can email you a picture or better still go to the BMW site and look at the 7 series E65. I think the 5 series still has the "key" Sir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK >>>>Am I completely clueless or what? The car has a lock on the outside that >>>>the [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > I think the 5 series still has the "key" As interesting as that is, the OP asked about an E46, 330 convertible. The E46 has a traditional key with a lock set built into the door. >> On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:11:29 -0400, "Tom K." >> <tkorth1@spamspamcomcast.net> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > As interesting as that is, the OP asked about an E46, 330 convertible. The > E46 has a traditional key with a lock set built into the door. My point exactly. Tom K. My 2007 530i has the "keyless" remote--which actually has the hidden key. Last week, with only 339 miles on it, it developed "amnesia" and could not remember either of the keys--or the emergency one in the glove box. We had to call BMW Assist and have it flat bedded back to the dealer, where they took the steering column apart and put in an entirely new key receptacle. They claimed it was only the second time that they have needed to replace the key receptacle. So far, it seems to be operating okay now. I have also seen the new remotes on 300 series as well--a 2007 loaner that we had from the dealership last summer. Beach Exec Panama City Beach, FL. >My 2007 530i has the "keyless" remote--which actually has the hidden key. >Last week, with only 339 miles on it, it developed "amnesia" and could not [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >seen the new remotes on 300 series as well--a 2007 loaner that we had from >the dealership last summer. There is something very comforting about relying about a strictly mechanical pins sitting upon the contoured surface of a key, as opposed to relying upon software to work, in order to gain entrance to one's car. Think iDrive, and you'll understand what I mean. > There is something very comforting about relying about a strictly > mechanical pins sitting upon the contoured surface of a key, as opposed > to relying upon software to work, in order to gain entrance to one's car. Until the key breaks off in the lock. Or the car is stolen, of course. Signature*Fax is stronger than fiction * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> There is something very comforting about relying about a strictly >> mechanical pins sitting upon the contoured surface of a key, as opposed >> to relying upon software to work, in order to gain entrance to one's car. > >Until the key breaks off in the lock. Use the other key in the other door. ;) I am coming to believe that no one will be able to afford (or even want) one of these new BMWs with all the complex systems--or any other "premium" car--after the warranty has expired. The total charges to BMW (under the warranty) was $5800 for replacing the key receptacle in the steering column! And I seriously doubt that even some fairly astute owners could have done the job (after buying the parts) if this were to occur after the warranty expires. Any one else have problems with the comfort access system? Beach Exec >>Am I completely clueless or what? The car has a lock on the outside that the >>key fits into. Simply insert the key and give it a twist, then remove the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >The "KEY" is an electronic transmitter coded to the car and nothing on it looks >anything like a KEY in the usual sense of the word or usage. Doesn't the, um, business part of the key fold out of the fob, like a pocket knife blade? I saw that on my friend's BMW fob (2006 3-series). >Not as easy as that on the new cars I'm afraid Jeff. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >REAL emergency key that has the transponder embedded in it. This is real >emergency stuff. What a f.cked-up design. WTF is wrong with just using a key? Is it THAT much fun to push a button to start and stop the engine? Honestly, the new design is so obnoxious that it's enough to make me avoid buying a new bimmer. 'Course, for "only" $500 you can get the one that stays in your pocket, which helps. $500 to fix their f.cked-up design! >Honestly, the new design is so obnoxious that it's enough to make me >avoid buying a new bimmer. ...and unsubscribe from this group? SignatureDan. >>Honestly, the new design is so obnoxious that it's enough to make me >>avoid buying a new bimmer. > >...and unsubscribe from this group? ahahahahahaha! No way he'd leave now - this group is too entertaining ;-) /daytripper '00 s4 6spd >>>Honestly, the new design is so obnoxious that it's enough to make me >>>avoid buying a new bimmer. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > No way he'd leave now - this group is too entertaining ;-) Besides, we talk about all the old bimmers way more than the new ones. Maybe we should change the newsgroup name to a.a.o.b to be more specific? Signature-Fred W >>>>Honestly, the new design is so obnoxious that it's enough to make me >>>>avoid buying a new bimmer. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >Besides, we talk about all the old bimmers way more than the new ones. Why spoil a good joke for the sake of the truth? SignatureDan. >>Honestly, the new design is so obnoxious that it's enough to make me >>avoid buying a new bimmer. > >...and unsubscribe from this group? Odd. I don't recall kicking your a.s. What's your problem? >>>Honestly, the new design is so obnoxious that it's enough to make me >>>avoid buying a new bimmer. >> >>...and unsubscribe from this group? > >Odd. I don't recall kicking your a.s. What's your problem? Odd. I haven't noticed you kicking molehills, much less anyone's a.s. I thought you were going to unsubscribe from the group now you no longer have any interest in BMWs? Why are you still here? SignatureDan. >>>>Honestly, the new design is so obnoxious that it's enough to make me >>>>avoid buying a new bimmer. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I thought you were going to unsubscribe from the group now you no >longer have any interest in BMWs? Oh, I see, you're just an a.shole. What you claim you "thought", a.shole, was obviously not based in reality. Or were you just lying? > Why are you still here? Because I want to be, a.shole. >>>Odd. I don't recall kicking your a.s. What's your problem? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Because I want to be, a.shole. Well, at least chuckleheads like you provide peripheral entertainment. So, tell us. Exactly whose a.s *have* you kicked around here? No prevaricating now, you made the claim, so give us the names and dates, then we can all look it up in Deja/Google and see how smart you really are. C'mon, you can do it. <snork> SignatureDan. >>>>Odd. I don't recall kicking your a.s. What's your problem? >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Well, at least chuckleheads like you provide peripheral entertainment. As do idiots such as yourself who seem to react with excessive negativity to any criticism of their beloved brand of motor vehicle. >So, tell us. Exactly whose a.s *have* you kicked around here? No >prevaricating now, you made the claim, so give us the names and dates, >then we can all look it up in Deja/Google and see how smart you really >are. > >C'mon, you can do it. Since you asked nicely, I've posted a link below. Note how Jeffy exits the thread (i.e. runs-away with his tail between his legs) without withdrawing his claim we were "both wrong", even though I made no errors and he made at least two quite egregious errors. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.bmw/browse_frm/thread/a95256c3dd8a0ddd/ fd3174f0f353984f?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#fd3174f0f353984f ><snork> <guffaw> >>Well, at least chuckleheads like you provide peripheral entertainment. >As do idiots such as yourself who seem to react with excessive >negativity to any criticism of their beloved brand of motor vehicle. When did I do that? You seem to be even more drunk and confused than you usually are. >>So, tell us. Exactly whose a.s *have* you kicked around here? >Since you asked nicely, I've posted a link below. ><http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.bmw/browse_frm/thread/a95256c3dd8a0ddd/ fd3174f0f353984f?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#fd3174f0f353984f> If you think that's an "a.s kicking," then you *really* need to get out of your mother's basement more often. That was more like a limp-wristed flap with a wet lettuce leaf. It's the best you can do? >><snork> ><guffaw> <shakes head> So, why *are* you still posting here? Why do you refuse to answer that question? Mining gnomes want to know. Mining gnomes are fond of entertaining chuckleheads like you... SignatureDan. >So, why *are* you still posting here? Why do you refuse to answer >that question? Mining gnomes want to know. Mining gnomes are fond of >entertaining chuckleheads like you... I've been trolled by better than you, child. >>So, why *are* you still posting here? Why do you refuse to answer >>that question? Mining gnomes want to know. Mining gnomes are fond of >>entertaining chuckleheads like you... > >I've been trolled by better than you, child. What, that's it!? Just the old "troll" cop out? No ass-kicking? Where's the legendary ass-kicking <snork> Dizzy gone? Did he ever exist outside of your own imagination? Do tell. Meanwhile, creep back into your mother's basement with your tail between your legs. You've got nothing. Your bluff has been called. <chuckle> SignatureDan. >>>So, why *are* you still posting here? Why do you refuse to answer >>>that question? Mining gnomes want to know. Mining gnomes are fond of [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > ><chuckle> Hehe. Not too bad. My troll-o-meter gives you a 7.2! 8) >Hehe. Not too bad. My troll-o-meter gives you a 7.2! 8) Go and lick your wounds, dreamer. I've finished with you now. SignatureDan. >No ass-kicking? Where's the legendary ass-kicking <snork> Dizzy gone? I'm sorry, but if want an ass-kicking, you'll first have to say something really stupid. Like, for example, when Jeffy Strickland claimed that the 328's motor had "about 30% more torque" than the 325's motor, despite it having only 12% more displacement. <snork> For a really memorable ass-kicking, like what Jeffy got, you have to say something phenomenally stupid. For example, when, in the same thread, Jeffy Strickland divided 328 by 325, and found "actually less than 1%" difference, as if THAT had anything to do with the torque of the motors! <SNORK SNORK SNORK> Of course, if you're as much of a "man" as Jeffy Strickland is, you can move beyond "idiot who just got his a.s kicked" and continue-on to "dishonest a.shole" territory. For example, when, in the same thread, Jeffy Strickland claimed that we were "both wrong", in spite of me being absolutely correct and him being egregiously wrong on at least two points! It's all right here, and to this day he will not admit that I was right and he was wrong. That tells you a lot about his character. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.bmw/browse_frm/thread/a95256c3dd8a0ddd/ fd3174f0f353984f?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#fd3174f0f353984f >>Not as easy as that on the new cars I'm afraid Jeff. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >'Course, for "only" $500 you can get the one that stays in your >pocket, which helps. $500 to fix their f.cked-up design! Its called "Comfort Access" and cost £1800 GBP >>What a f.cked-up design. WTF is wrong with just using a key? Is it >>THAT much fun to push a button to start and stop the engine? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Its called "Comfort Access" and cost £1800 GBP Yikes! It's "only" $500 in the USA, though... > I've given up talking to BMW. They told me to > drive the car more. Has anybody figured out a work around for this > problem. > Bald-Eagle I had to laugh. (sorry). I've found that response is BMW's standard answer for just about anything that goes wrong with their cars when they don't know how to fix it. "It's meant to be driven", they say. LOL RCE |
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