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Paul Talbert - 21 Apr 2007 09:41 GMT Hi, can anyone help me or point me in the right direction with any e46 manuals in pdf or chm format?
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Oscar@nowhere.com - 21 Apr 2007 12:50 GMT >Hi, can anyone help me or point me in the right direction with any e46 >manuals in pdf or chm format? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.asar.com/cgi-bin/product.pl?58/hogwasher.html >============================================================== eBay - All on CD or I'll sell you a set of 3 1 x technical 2 x parts or depending on year 4CD inc WDS (electrics)
Paul Talbert - 21 Apr 2007 22:52 GMT >> Hi, can anyone help me or point me in the right direction with any e46 >> manuals in pdf or chm format? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > eBay - All on CD or I'll sell you a set of 3 1 x technical 2 x parts or > depending on year 4CD inc WDS (electrics) Thanks for the offer. I have the cd's but find them confusing :p. Do you know if the Bentley manual is available in electronic form from anywhere? thanks for the help.
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Pete - 21 Apr 2007 23:04 GMT > I have the cd's but find them confusing :p. Do you know > if the Bentley manual is available in electronic form from anywhere? Aren't CDs considered an "electronic form"?
Pete
Paul Talbert - 22 Apr 2007 05:56 GMT >> I have the cd's but find them confusing :p. Do you know >> if the Bentley manual is available in electronic form from anywhere? > > Aren't CDs considered an "electronic form"? > > Pete Pete, I believe they are, but I don't think I have said anything to the contrary. I don't particularly like the cd's which Oscar@nowhere... has kindly referred me to and which I already have., and in reply have simply asked whether the 3 series e46 Bentley manual is available in electric form, whether that be on cd/dvd or as a downloadable pdf/chm file. thanks
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Oscar@nowhere.com - 22 Apr 2007 08:22 GMT >>> Hi, can anyone help me or point me in the right direction with any e46 >>> manuals in pdf or chm format? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >if the Bentley manual is available in electronic form from anywhere? thanks >for the help. The only thing wrong with the CDs is the fact that you cannot sit in front of the left front wheel with your computer!
However the main hurdle is that you are assumed to be a mechanic fully conversant with the BMW mode of working.
If you arrive at a BMW coming from say a FORD or Volkswagen then you are at a disadvantage.
The Bentley manual is only based on the US versions and although helpful to us over this side of the pond there are many differences like the steering wheel being on the wrong side (who ever thought that one out ) and engines that lose about 20% BHP on arrival at the docks????? <grin>
Believe me it is much better to have a book than a computer outside. The HBOL is another route (Haynes Book of LIES) but often it seems that the car they are using - although the same model - was built on Mars and all the mechanics are left handed and blind.
Paul Talbert - 22 Apr 2007 09:14 GMT >>>> Hi, can anyone help me or point me in the right direction with any e46 >>>> manuals in pdf or chm format? [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > using - although the same model - was built on Mars and all the mechanics are > left handed and blind. Oscar, thanks for the info. I need to persevere with the cd's it seems :) There is a part under my hood (bonnet) which I can't identify and can't find on the cd's. it is driving me crazy. It is on the passenger side behind the firewall and looks somewhat like a battery, but clearly isn't. and is fully sealed... it has what appear to be electrical leads coming from the top area... can anyone help with that description or perhaps I should post a pic... :) In your part of the world it could be on the other side or even under the backseat, perhaps with my missing 20% BHP :) I have never been able to understand why they do that.... perhaps to protect us poor colonials from ourselves :) thanks again :)
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Oscar@nowhere.com - 22 Apr 2007 09:56 GMT >>>>> Hi, can anyone help me or point me in the right direction with any e46 >>>>> manuals in pdf or chm format? [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >able to understand why they do that.... perhaps to protect us poor colonials >from ourselves :) thanks again :) You say you have the Cds but you don't appear to have the PARTS CD as this has a graphic search unit. If you know the area and can fathom the cartoon sketches then one the car is identified from the last 7 digits of the VIN it should be easy to pinpoint what you are looking at/for.
Depending on year the WDS is also useful but not available for all models
I will send a picture of the models it covers to your private email
admin - 23 Apr 2007 14:51 GMT > You say you have the Cds but you don't appear to have the PARTS CD as this has a > graphic search unit. If you know the area and can fathom the cartoon sketches > then one the car is identified from the last 7 digits of the VIN it should be > easy to pinpoint what you are looking at/for. And he can do this FREE on-line (since he seems to want everything free) at http://www.realoem.com
Sorry for f.cking up your reselling of illegal copies of BMW's copyrighted materials - but that's how it goes eh?
> Depending on year the WDS is also useful but not available for all models Or not. I own a legal copy. It will be useless to him.
> I will send a picture of the models it covers to your private email Yup. You do know BMW-AG watches this newsgroup looking for this sorta thing don't cha? Why - if they were clever boys - they might even put out a posting like Paul Talbot did in the hopes of luring some asshat like you into making offers to SELL illegally copies of their documentation.
Oscar@nowhere.com - 23 Apr 2007 18:16 GMT >> You say you have the Cds but you don't appear to have the PARTS CD as this has a >> graphic search unit. If you know the area and can fathom the cartoon sketches [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Sorry for f.cking up your reselling of illegal copies of BMW's >copyrighted materials - but that's how it goes eh? You haven't f.cked me up because if you actually engaged your brain before opening your mouth or in this case wrote this you would see that I don't sell these and I told him they were on ebay if he cared to look.
>> Depending on year the WDS is also useful but not available for all models > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >out a posting like Paul Talbot did in the hopes of luring some asshat >like you into making offers to SELL illegally copies of their documentation. WHY DON'T YOU GO AWAY TOSSER
admin - 23 Apr 2007 20:06 GMT > You haven't f.cked me up because if you actually engaged your brain before > opening your mouth or in this case wrote this you would see that I don't sell > these and I told him they were on ebay if he cared to look. Rather hard to explain your posting following the OP's posting:
> eBay - All on CD or I'll sell you a set of 3 1 x technical 2 x parts or > depending on year 4CD inc WDS (electrics) So - what was that about not SELLING them again? a.shole..
>>> Depending on year the WDS is also useful but not available for all models >> Or not. I own a legal copy. It will be useless to him. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> out a posting like Paul Talbot did in the hopes of luring some asshat >> like you into making offers to SELL illegally copies of their documentation. Memo to self - report this asshat to BMW-AG..
> WHY DON'T YOU GO AWAY TOSSER Only after you do. Wow - you're getting really mouthy too.. all caps, I'm quivering in my keyboard.
w.nker.. (two can play at quaint Brit colloquialisms..)
Paul Talbert - 23 Apr 2007 21:18 GMT >> You say you have the Cds but you don't appear to have the PARTS CD as this >> has a [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > out a posting like Paul Talbot did in the hopes of luring some asshat > like you into making offers to SELL illegally copies of their documentation. Admin, you make judgements based on very little actual information don't you. sic. "(since he seems to want everything free)" I must admit I did want 'free' advice on what the piece of equipment in my car is as it has been bugging me and I thought that this site was about helping for 'free'. Thankyou to those who offered your free advice vide personal email and identified the 'offending' item for me..... my first question on this forum and my last....
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dizzy - 23 Apr 2007 23:13 GMT >my first question on this forum and my last.... Boo Hoo. We're not "polite" enough, it seems.
Paul Talbert - 23 Apr 2007 23:54 GMT >> my first question on this forum and my last.... > > Boo Hoo. We're not "polite" enough, it seems. I'll make an exception for you.... your email address 'dizzy' matches your mentality..... keep running off at the mouth... I won't be replying or here to see it....
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dizzy - 24 Apr 2007 02:17 GMT >On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:13:03 +1000, dizzy wrote > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >mentality..... keep running off at the mouth... I won't be replying or here >to see it.... Now you hurt my feelings. 8(
Don - 24 Apr 2007 13:30 GMT > >On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:13:03 +1000, dizzy wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Now you hurt my feelings. 8( Seems to me like someone really needs to rub one or three out.Morality training from a guy who has trouble controlling his temper? He does realize beating on his lover, man or not, is illegal also. Profanity on the net? Technically....Yep. Have a coke and a smile pal!
Oscar@nowhere.com - 24 Apr 2007 17:06 GMT >>On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:13:03 +1000, dizzy wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Now you hurt my feelings. 8( Why don't you just f.ck off....................
dizzy - 24 Apr 2007 22:45 GMT >Why don't you just f.ck off.................... Aww... the unethical scumbag is lashing-out. Such language!
Jim - 22 Apr 2007 20:40 GMT >>>>> Hi, can anyone help me or point me in the right direction with any e46 >>>>> manuals in pdf or chm format? [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > http://www.asar.com/cgi-bin/product.pl?58/hogwasher.html > ============================================================== I am not certain where you are looking. The space in front of the passenger which is inside the engine compartment is empty on my US E46. The space in front of the driver contains the master cylinder and the housing for the A/C filters.
As for the 20% power loss, engines are tuned differently for different areas of the world. Also, the standards for measurement of horsepower differ.
Jim
pltrgyst - 22 Apr 2007 14:34 GMT >The only thing wrong with the CDs is the fact that you cannot sit in front of >the left front wheel with your computer! Why not?
Hmmm -- where can one find/buy these CDs?
-- Fred
admin - 23 Apr 2007 14:45 GMT > Thanks for the offer. I have the cd's but find them confusing :p. Do you know > if the Bentley manual is available in electronic form from anywhere? thanks > for the help. Sure - you can order the Bentley manual in electronic form FROM BENTLEY, unless you're thinking of stealing it (it is copyrighted, it is someones work and downloading and using it without payment to Robt. Bentley Co. is simple and plain THEFT.)
Oscar@nowhere.com - 23 Apr 2007 18:17 GMT >> Thanks for the offer. I have the cd's but find them confusing :p. Do you know >> if the Bentley manual is available in electronic form from anywhere? thanks [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >work and downloading and using it without payment to Robt. Bentley Co. >is simple and plain THEFT.) So is using someone else's paperclip - but you wouldn't do that you sanctimonious .........
admin - 23 Apr 2007 20:17 GMT >> Sure - you can order the Bentley manual in electronic form FROM BENTLEY, >> unless you're thinking of stealing it (it is copyrighted, it is someones [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So is using someone else's paperclip - but you wouldn't do that you > sanctimonious ......... So you base what crimes are acceptable by the level of the crime. Interesting outlook on life. Stealing someones livelihood is OK because someone else REUSED a paperclip.. (which actually isn't illegal in any civilized country - most encourage it, it's called recycling.)
See - it's like this. A company like BMW - or Robert Bentley - spend their money, time, effort to create a piece of intellectual property. In return for this - they hope to be able to sell the items for a profit. Instead of this happening - someone like you comes along and illegally copies their intellectual property and offers to sell it for a lot less money. That does away with their incentive to produce and sell this sort of information since they just lost a lot of money due to your illegal act.
In the end - since they no longer see a reason to create something you're going to rip off and sell - we all suffer because the manual, documentation, whatever are no longer available... for any amount of money. That's the way BMW is moving due to people like you - all their documentation is on their internal network and only accessible via a direct computer link to them. They have one public portal where you can access the information via a web-browser for $25/day. Robert Bentley doesn't have that option - or that way to protect their IP - yet, but you can expect to see this same scenario play out, or Bentley to go out of business all because some greedy twerp decided to make a few pounds by stealing their property and reselling it.
And I reuse paperclips all the time - but I don't share copyrighted materials. It's a moral thing.
Oscar@nowhere.com - 23 Apr 2007 22:25 GMT >>> Sure - you can order the Bentley manual in electronic form FROM BENTLEY, >>> unless you're thinking of stealing it (it is copyrighted, it is someones [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >And I reuse paperclips all the time - but I don't share copyrighted >materials. It's a moral thing. No twat I am not saying that. - Theft is theft and murder is murder. However, if they are for sale on eBay don't have a go at me - go to eBay and rant.
If you think you can do something about it do it or else go back to bed.
Remember. Worry about the things you can do something about and don't worry about those you can't.
No go and look up the whole quote and rant about hoe I missed out a few salient bits that causes you grief.
BTW - don't exceed the speed limit on the way home!
dizzy - 23 Apr 2007 23:05 GMT >No twat I am not saying that. - Theft is theft and murder is murder. However, >if they are for sale on eBay don't have a go at me - go to eBay and rant. If yoou buy what you know is stolen property, you're no better than the person who stole it in the first place.
>BTW - don't exceed the speed limit on the way home! You must be really stupid to compare theft to speeding, which is generally a victimless crime.
Oscar@nowhere.com - 24 Apr 2007 17:05 GMT >>No twat I am not saying that. - Theft is theft and murder is murder. However, >>if they are for sale on eBay don't have a go at me - go to eBay and rant. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >You must be really stupid to compare theft to speeding, which is >generally a victimless crime. No Dizzy just being a bit factitious about nothing. And you have never ever copied too much from a book for your school work or borrowed a mates CD to listen to at home or used another software program that someone else bought or etc.............
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone -------- and leave it there.
pltrgyst - 24 Apr 2007 19:03 GMT >No Dizzy just being a bit factitious about nothing.... Ooooh, nice neologism.
-- Larry (accidents happen...)
Fred W - 24 Apr 2007 22:51 GMT >>No Dizzy just being a bit factitious about nothing.... > > Ooooh, nice neologism. Looks more like a bad speller to me. I'm betting he meant to say facetious.
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pltrgyst - 25 Apr 2007 02:47 GMT >>>No Dizzy just being a bit factitious about nothing.... >> >> Ooooh, nice neologism. > >Looks more like a bad speller to me. I'm betting he meant to say facetious. You think so? Duh.
Yeah, I know -- sarcasm is tough on the Web. But you might note the tag on my signature -- "(accidents happen...)"
-- Larry
Fred W - 25 Apr 2007 12:59 GMT >>>>No Dizzy just being a bit factitious about nothing.... >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -- Larry Well it could have been a new word, but then what the hell would it mean?
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pltrgyst - 25 Apr 2007 16:10 GMT >>>>>No Dizzy just being a bit factitious about nothing.... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Well it could have been a new word, but then what the hell would it mean? A fictitious fact? A fact which sounds fictitious (implausible)?
-- Larry
Oscar@nowhere.com - 25 Apr 2007 16:38 GMT >>>>>>No Dizzy just being a bit factitious about nothing.... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >-- Larry Facetious - I do know how to spell it but the Agent checker auto changed it for some reason - did it twice and not I have ADDED it to the dictionary.
Tom K. - 25 Apr 2007 17:40 GMT >>>>>>No Dizzy just being a bit factitious about nothing.... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > A fictitious fact? A fact which sounds fictitious (implausible)? Apparently, it means non-natural or artificial.
http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2000/04/06.html
Tom K.
Fred W - 25 Apr 2007 19:54 GMT >>>>>>>No Dizzy just being a bit factitious about nothing.... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Tom K. Son of a gun... it is a word:
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/factitious?view=uk
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pltrgyst - 25 Apr 2007 20:47 GMT >Son of a gun... it is a word: > >http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/factitious?view=uk It's in the AHD as well.
-- Larry
pltrgyst - 25 Apr 2007 20:45 GMT >Apparently, it means non-natural or artificial. > >http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2000/04/06.html Of course, all three of those quotes look like typos -- "fictitious" makes sense in each of them.
Time for Safire's Irregulars to swing into action...
-- Larry
Oscar@nowhere.com - 25 Apr 2007 07:15 GMT >>>No Dizzy just being a bit factitious about nothing.... >> >> Ooooh, nice neologism. > >Looks more like a bad speller to me. I'm betting he meant to say facetious. Sorry about that - bloody spell checker - never noticed that ---------- and with an Hon's Degree??? Doh!
dizzy - 24 Apr 2007 22:44 GMT >>>No twat I am not saying that. - Theft is theft and murder is murder. However, >>>if they are for sale on eBay don't have a go at me - go to eBay and rant. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >No Dizzy just being a bit factitious about nothing. I don't believe your excuse.
>And you have never ever >copied too much from a book for your school work or borrowed a mates CD to >listen to at home or used another software program that someone else bought or >etc............. > >Let he who is without sin cast the first stone -------- and leave it there. No. Just because I've not been "perfect" does not mean I can't denigrate those who appear to have severe morality issues.
For example, someone who once pirated MS Word is not as bad as someone who duplicates DVD's and gives them to friends (or worse yet, sells them for profit) or who doesn't buy music because he can "get it for free and not get caught".
Occasional lapses of ethics happen to almost everyone. That doesn't excuse your behavior. There are degrees of harm, scumbag.
Oscar@nowhere.com - 25 Apr 2007 07:17 GMT >>>>No twat I am not saying that. - Theft is theft and murder is murder. However, >>>>if they are for sale on eBay don't have a go at me - go to eBay and rant. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >Occasional lapses of ethics happen to almost everyone. That doesn't >excuse your behavior. There are degrees of harm, scumbag. Like f.ck ---- guilty or not guilty is the only verdict and we all are guilty.........
dizzy - 25 Apr 2007 10:12 GMT >>>>>No twat I am not saying that. - Theft is theft and murder is murder. However, >>>>>if they are for sale on eBay don't have a go at me - go to eBay and rant. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >Like f.ck ---- guilty or not guilty is the only verdict and we all are >guilty......... Keep telling yourself that, scumbag.
Fred W - 25 Apr 2007 13:00 GMT >>>>>No twat I am not saying that. - Theft is theft and murder is murder. However, >>>>>if they are for sale on eBay don't have a go at me - go to eBay and rant. [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > Like f.ck ---- guilty or not guilty is the only verdict and we all are > guilty......... Not guilty is not the same as innocent.
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Oscar@nowhere.com - 25 Apr 2007 13:43 GMT >>>>>>No twat I am not saying that. - Theft is theft and murder is murder. However, >>>>>>if they are for sale on eBay don't have a go at me - go to eBay and rant. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >Not guilty is not the same as innocent. In Boolean algebra it isn't "not innocent - innocent" "Guilty - not Guilty"
Try using that in a computer program - won't work!
IF, AND, NOT, OR, THEN but never MAYBE!
Fred W - 25 Apr 2007 14:56 GMT > In Boolean algebra it isn't "not innocent - innocent" "Guilty - not Guilty" > > Try using that in a computer program - won't work! > > IF, AND, NOT, OR, THEN but never MAYBE! Another way of expressing it is logically:
Just because all innocent people are not-guilty, and all guilty people are not innocent, does not mean that all not-guilty people are innocent
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Oscar@nowhere.com - 25 Apr 2007 15:19 GMT >> In Boolean algebra it isn't "not innocent - innocent" "Guilty - not Guilty" >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Just because all innocent people are not-guilty, and all guilty people >are not innocent, does not mean that all not-guilty people are innocent Yes but Dizzy wouldn't understand it.........
dizzy - 26 Apr 2007 04:55 GMT >>> In Boolean algebra it isn't "not innocent - innocent" "Guilty - not Guilty" >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Yes but Dizzy wouldn't understand it......... Says the scumbag who rationalizes his immoral behavior with "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". The same scumbag who denies that there are different severity levels to immoral behavior , claiming that people are either "guilty or not guilty". A transparent, stupid scumbag, fooling no one but possibly himself.
Oscar@nowhere.com - 26 Apr 2007 17:11 GMT >>>> In Boolean algebra it isn't "not innocent - innocent" "Guilty - not Guilty" >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >claiming that people are either "guilty or not guilty". A >transparent, stupid scumbag, fooling no one but possibly himself. Dizzy - you recognize the trait in yourself...............
dizzy - 27 Apr 2007 00:05 GMT >>>>> In Boolean algebra it isn't "not innocent - innocent" "Guilty - not Guilty" >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Dizzy - you recognize the trait in yourself............... Wrong again, scumbag.
pltrgyst - 26 Apr 2007 20:47 GMT >> In Boolean algebra it isn't "not innocent - innocent" "Guilty - not Guilty" >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Just because all innocent people are not-guilty, and all guilty people >are not innocent, does not mean that all not-guilty people are innocent Then you'd better be able to define the third set of people who are neither guilty nor innocent.
-- Larry
Fred W - 26 Apr 2007 23:22 GMT >>>In Boolean algebra it isn't "not innocent - innocent" "Guilty - not Guilty" >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Then you'd better be able to define the third set of people who are neither > guilty nor innocent. Not Guilty is a legal term and only means that they could not prove you did the crime, whether you actually did or not.
Innocent is not a legal term. You will never see a jury find anyone innocent, only not-guilty. It means you really did not break the law, which of course the jury cannot determine.
Technically my logic statement was flawed as there have been (convicted) guilty people who were, in reality, innocent.
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Paul Talbert - 23 Apr 2007 21:03 GMT >> Thanks for the offer. I have the cd's but find them confusing :p. Do you >> know [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > work and downloading and using it without payment to Robt. Bentley Co. > is simple and plain THEFT.) I don't think I actually asked anyone to give me anything for free but merely asked if something was available. Thanks for the morality lecture anyway :)
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admin - 23 Apr 2007 21:45 GMT >>> Thanks for the offer. I have the cd's but find them confusing :p. Do you >>> know [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> work and downloading and using it without payment to Robt. Bentley Co. >> is simple and plain THEFT.)
> I don't think I actually asked anyone to give me anything for free but merely > asked if something was available. Thanks for the morality lecture anyway :) You're welcome actually. It seems very few people seem to think of stealing intellectual property as being "theft" or immoral. It's both.
You later said:
> Pete, I believe they are, but I don't think I have said anything to the > contrary. I don't particularly like the cd's which Oscar@nowhere... has > kindly referred me to and which I already have., and in reply have simply > asked whether the 3 series e46 Bentley manual is available in electric form, > whether that be on cd/dvd or as a downloadable pdf/chm file. thanks The assumption I made is "downloadable" implies - free. If I'm wrong, and you're willing to spend the $99 or so for the Bentley download, I apologize - but most people here want free, even if it is illegal (as are the CD's Oscar is selling.)
I just checked Bentley's site - they offer a "web subscription" on a daily, monthly and yearly basis.. see www.bentleypublishers.com for details. Looks like they went to the same scheme BMW did since I see no PDF downloadable versions are available now. Where they used to offer a CD version - that's also no longer an option (obviously due to the actions of people like Oscar.)
Sorry if you wanted to know how to pay for one - I'd suggest visiting the Robert Bentley website and see - you can pay and subscribe to their web-service and use it all in one visit.
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