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Car Forum / BMW Cars / June 2007Help: E28 Turns Over But Won't "Catch" After 6 Mos Sitting
Help! My '85 535i had a dead battery and sat for 6 mos (under a car cover). Now the battery's good, 1/4 tank of good gas, turns over just fine but the engine won't catch. I've jiggled all the fuses, disconnected and reconnected the battery negative cable to reset the computers, still just runs the starter without catching. I know there's a ton of info out there on "no start" problems, but I'm hoping the fact that it ran great before it sat so long will help rule out some of the possible problems. Where do I begin? TIA!! Scoobey >Help! My '85 535i had a dead battery and sat for 6 mos (under a car cover). >Now the battery's good, 1/4 tank of good gas, turns over just fine but the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >long will help rule out some of the possible problems. Where do I begin? >TIA!! Scoobey Sounds like a dealer re-program ??? > Help! My '85 535i had a dead battery and sat for 6 mos (under a car > cover). Now the battery's good, 1/4 tank of good gas, turns over just [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that it ran great before it sat so long will help rule out some of the > possible problems. Where do I begin? Check the fuel pump relay is working. And the main engine management one.  Signature*Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. How do I check the relays? Thanks! >How do I check the relays? Thanks! 12v battery few pieces of wire a bulb that works or a multimeter set to ohms. or if you have to ask that question then I would advise you to get hold of a local hot rodder or auto electrician or get it to a BMW expert. I've got a multimeter. But which post to which post etc.? Alternately, can I test the wires going into and out of the relays while it's in "run" to see whether there's flow through the relay? >I've got a multimeter. But which post to which post etc.? Alternately, can I >test the wires going into and out of the relays while it's in "run" to see >whether there's flow through the relay? If your car has fuel pressure, a spark and compression (150PSI or thereabouts) the next question is ..... Does it have a NIKASIL lined block. If so it might be worth a few squirts of oil down the bores via the plug holes to help seal the rings as there is reported a sever blow-by with nikasil bores if left for a long time. However, if it wasn't burning oil before then it won't after it just needs the extra sealing to get it going. > If your car has fuel pressure, a spark and compression (150PSI or thereabouts) > the next question is ..... > Does it have a NIKASIL lined block. On an '85 535? Signature*How much deeper would the oceans be without sponges? * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >>How do I check the relays? Thanks! > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a > local hot rodder or auto electrician or get it to a BMW expert. Oscar, with the other posts yopu have made asking about a Nikasil block and suggesting dealer reprogramming, YOU need to go back for a software update >>>How do I check the relays? Thanks! >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >with the other posts yopu have made asking about a Nikasil block and >suggesting dealer reprogramming, YOU need to go back for a software update Valid questions my friend but then I am an alloy V8 and Alloy Diesel owner and I know some of the earlier 6s were also ally and later changed to iron blocks for the US market. It is valid that a nikasil block may need extra sealing to start it from a long lay up period. Not every time but often enough to have that info to hand. Sorry if you don't agree. > On Mon, 21 May 2007 09:41:58 -0400, "microBlaze" wrote: >>with the other posts yopu have made asking about a Nikasil block and >>suggesting dealer reprogramming, YOU need to go back for a software update [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Sorry if you don't agree. We don't agree because the US never had nikasil inline 6 engines until the M54 engine in the E46. So you are simply wrong. This has been mentioned in many posts many times; you simply don't pay attention or are incapable of reading. The V8's are a whole other kettle of fish. FloydR >> On Mon, 21 May 2007 09:41:58 -0400, "microBlaze" wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >FloydR Leave it out Floyd........... I can read but I do NOT remember all the posts some of you US plonkers make as most of it is so bloody trivial that anyone that can read would find 90% of the answers in the bloody hand book or would Google for it to start with. On May 21, 3:19 pm, O...@nowhere.com wrote: > ><O...@nowhere.com> wrote > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >> and I know some of the earlier 6s were also ally and later changed to iron > >> blocks for the US market. Name any *one* that predated the E28. > >> It is valid that a nikasil block may need extra sealing to start it from a > >> long lay up period. Not every time but often enough to have that info to hand. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > can read would find 90% of the answers in the bloody hand book or would Google > for it to start with. This has nothing to do with reading the posts, you w.nker. It is *general BMW model knowledge*; in this case, the E28. Since you apparently know virtually nothing about them other than that they somewhat resemble BMWs in external appearance, it would behoove you to STFU when you don't have a clue. As for our original poster, you will find excellent online help, and you may even get some personal assistance, if you log in at www.mye28.com and ask your questions. If you want to keep this E28 going with average DIY skills, you would also do well to buy the Bentley service manual for it, as it is excellent. -- C.R. Krieger MyE28 Post Whore #3 and Chief Smartass© >On May 21, 3:19 pm, O...@nowhere.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >average DIY skills, you would also do well to buy the Bentley service >manual for it, as it is excellent. Who the f.ck cares what you think? I don't Anyway why do you US guys buy OLD cars. Is it because your fantastic weather stops them from rusting away? Is it because you are so law abiding that the BMW cars never wear out or even pushed to the limit except in trips to the mall? Over her in "Euroland" we tend to scrap the really old ones ----------- >>On May 21, 3:19 pm, O...@nowhere.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Over her in "Euroland" we tend to scrap the really old ones ----------- Just one opinion, but I'd listen to Mr Krieger any day before you, Steve. Oh, and "f.ck" is not a socially acceptable adverb. You don't have clue, pal. Signature-Fred W > Over her in "Euroland" we tend to scrap the really old ones ----------- You should bring that theory to the old folks home, Steve. Signature-Fred W > Who the f.ck cares what you think? I don't Anyway why do you US guys > buy OLD cars. Is it because your fantastic weather stops them from > rusting away? Is it because you are so law abiding that the BMW cars > never wear out or even pushed to the limit except in trips to the mall? > Over her in "Euroland" we tend to scrap the really old ones ----------- Don't be silly. There's a thriving classic car scene in the UK - and in much of Europe. And the E28 is definitely a classic. Signature*It ain't the size, it's... er... no, it IS ..the size. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> Who the f.ck cares what you think? I don't Anyway why do you US guys >> buy OLD cars. Is it because your fantastic weather stops them from [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Don't be silly. There's a thriving classic car scene in the UK - and in >much of Europe. And the E28 is definitely a classic. Of course there is Dave and as you say the operative word is CLASSIC. these guys use them as everyday transport and wonder why they breakdown and things go wrong and rave how fantastic their 1985 BMW 5 series is on the school run and then moan they can't get bit for it. Classic Cars are one thing - keeping an old banger running is a totally different kettle of fish. > >Don't be silly. There's a thriving classic car scene in the UK - and in > >much of Europe. And the E28 is definitely a classic. > Of course there is Dave and as you say the operative word is CLASSIC. > these guys use them as everyday transport and wonder why they breakdown > and things go wrong and rave how fantastic their 1985 BMW 5 series is on > the school run and then moan they can't get bit for it. Plenty use a classic for everyday. Mine gets driven on most. > Classic Cars are one thing - keeping an old banger running is a totally > different kettle of fish. Just a frame of mind. 'Keeping a car running' can apply to cars of any age. Signature*Organized Crime Is Alive And Well; It's Called Auto Insurance. * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > > >Don't be silly. There's a thriving classic car scene in the UK - and in > > >much of Europe. And the E28 is definitely a classic. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW > To e-mail, change noise into sound. ----- OK, who's picking on my beater? Mine really runs great. I wish mileage was a little better, but it will take many v8s from the light and get better mileage than they do. I drive it all the time. When we need a "better look", we take the wife's 98 528i. I just go places that her car would be more in peril going/doing. There isn't a "keeping it running" thing for this one. However, the suspension is over 21 years old (minus the replaced parts, of course), and the design is older. I do like the e39 ride better. Bill in Omaha '86 535i Just a little reminder to all and sundry regarding petrol or gasoline. Gasoline can be stored for around 6 months in a can - usually a specially designed light proof screw top pressure resistant type "spare gas" can as sold for the purpose of. In a vehicle's gas tank it will be useable for around 3 months before it starts to deteriorate. The point where it becomes unusable I cannot determine but eventually it will to the point where it won't work in a car but you might be able to use it to clean something or light the bar-B-q but I wouldn't advise it. So if the car don't start after 6 months - it could be the gas. Remember - diesel owners. Don't stockpile diesel fuel as the summer stuff goes gooey and treacle like in winter and will actually freeze where the winter stuff isn't too good for summer use as it's too thin and that blended for cooler climates doesn't suit prolonged use hotter or warmer ones like Alaska - California or Southern Spain - Iceland. On May 31, 3:01 am, O...@nowhere.com wrote: > >In article <eror53978aitompqs9m6t1lve872fb5...@4ax.com>, > > <O...@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> Over her in "Euroland" we tend to scrap the really old ones ----------- > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > go wrong and rave how fantastic their 1985 BMW 5 series is on the school run > and then moan they can't get bit for it. When did you hear any moaning about parts? This one hasn't even been diagnosed yet. Odds are it's a commonly available relay; maybe a fuse. Nothing I can't lay hands on in a day or two. > Classic Cars are one thing - keeping an old banger running is a totally > different kettle of fish. Yes, it is. And, since you have obviously never dealt with this particular kettle, I'd respectfully suggest you take your damned stirring spoon and go home. Meanwhile, some of us can offer useful information on the subject. -- C.R. Krieger (It's an '88, not an '85) On May 30, 3:52 pm, O...@nowhere.com wrote: > Who the f.ck cares what you think? Apparently, more people than you'd believe. > Anyway why do you US guys buy OLD > cars. Is it because your fantastic weather stops them from rusting away? I wish ... > Is it > because you are so law abiding that the BMW cars never wear out or even pushed > to the limit except in trips to the mall? I could own something else, but I happen to really *like* the E28. It's easy to DIY maintain, it's a good street car and it's a good track car. I daresay you have no idea what its limits feel like (nor probably your own car's, either). Maybe you'd care to match some lap times with me at Road America, Watkins Glen, Mid Ohio, Lime Rock, Sebring (Oops! Take that back! Sebring's rough as a cob! But I'll drive *somebody else's* car there!), Brainerd, or ... the list goes on. > Over her in "Euroland" we tend to scrap the really old ones ----------- Over here in "BMW Motorheadland", we tend to *drive* 'em. If you weren't so damned annoying, I'd offer you some links where you can see the amazing BMW E28 cybercommunity, with many of whom (~130 E12/E28 cars & ~200 enthusiasts) I spent last weekend in Chattanooga, TN. -- C.R. Krieger (Having more fun in my old car than you in your new one) >On May 30, 3:52 pm, O...@nowhere.com wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >drive *somebody else's* car there!), Brainerd, or ... the list goes >on. If I was there I would really give you a go. Probably not as quick as I once was but I still give you a run for the money. I have never "done" a track day but raced for real on many of the UK tracks and one in Germany. Drove a NASCAR machine round Daytona in 1982 but not raced in the US. >> Over her in "Euroland" we tend to scrap the really old ones ----------- > >Over here in "BMW Motorheadland", we tend to *drive* 'em. If you >weren't so damned annoying, I'd offer you some links where you can see >the amazing BMW E28 cybercommunity, with many of whom (~130 E12/E28 >cars & ~200 enthusiasts) I spent last weekend in Chattanooga, TN. A very good friend lived in Chattanooga but unfortunately he had a heart attack two yeas ago and died. Very nice part of TN I must say. On May 31, 3:25 pm, O...@nowhere.com wrote: > >I could own something else, but I happen to really *like* the E28. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I have never "done" a track day but raced for real on many of the UK tracks and > one in Germany. So maybe you do have a clue about it. What you're overlooking by nursing your condescension for American drivers is that we are not *all* what you think. At least not in this newsgroup. Rashly assuming you're a contemporary of David Hobbs, it might interest you to know that I've worked events (as an instructor) with him (as a *celebrity* instructor) and I see him regularly, as he has a Honda store in Milwaukee and he gets to Road America frequently. In spite of his pimping Hondas, his biggest boosters around here are the BMW folks like me. You also ought to know what a stock E28 is capable of. Mine isn't exactly stock in terms of suspension or tire compounds. So if I mention pulling about 1g in a turn, you know I've *done it*, not just heard about it. > >> Over her in "Euroland" we tend to scrap the really old ones ----------- > > >Over here in "BMW Motorheadland", we tend to *drive* 'em. > > A very good friend lived in Chattanooga but unfortunately he had a heart attack > two yeas ago and died. My sympathies. > Very nice part of TN I must say. A lotta fun to drive the secondaries a few miles north in the mountains, too. I never did find the damn mall ... -- C.R. Krieger (Been there; done that) >Who the f.ck cares what you think? I don't Anyway why do you US guys buy OLD >cars. Is it because your fantastic weather stops them from rusting away? Is it >because you are so law abiding that the BMW cars never wear out or even pushed >to the limit except in trips to the mall? > >Over her in "Euroland" we tend to scrap the really old ones ----------- We call them classics and if the car is nice enough or you just like that particular body style, you restore one (or hot rod it). Sorry that in "euroland" that hasn't caught on... >>Who the f.ck cares what you think? I don't Anyway why do you US guys buy OLD >>cars. Is it because your fantastic weather stops them from rusting away? Is it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >that particular body style, you restore one (or hot rod it). Sorry >that in "euroland" that hasn't caught on... Don't laugh I bought a Nissan "CEDRIC" 4 door hard-top for £65 gb pounds ($130 US) some 18 years ago. Bit of a wreck with a 2000 cc inline 6 fuel injected (similar to the Z engines.) Got an old 280C (UK badged version) - they looked a bit like an Olds Cutlass of 1966 ish. Swapped the 2.8 six into it and stuck the 280Z inj unit on to keep it almost stock - the 2 litre six wasn't available in the UK. 2 new fenders (wings 2 x rocker (sill) panels and a lot of sheet metal work on the bottom of the doors and boot (trunk) made it quite presentable being the only one in existence in western Europe having NEVER been imported - mine came from Saudi Arabia - verified by Nissan in Japan and the only other odd one was a private import by the agents of a 2 door coupé. Lovely runabout complete with AC and all the toys. Had to swap the radio (even had rear seat tuning!) as it had a Japan/US setup on auto tune where the stations are 10k apart and the UK is 9k or the other way round - lock on one station and skip all the others..... Car is now in a museum in Suffolk and the bastard never did tax it so it still has my old plates on it - he promised he would relinquish the reg back to me.... Bastard.......... If you are mildly interested........ http://www.peterpan.clara.co.uk/cedric.html http://www.peterpan.clara.co.uk/cedric2.html SignatureSir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK > Help! My '85 535i had a dead battery and sat for 6 mos (under a car cover). > Now the battery's good, 1/4 tank of good gas, turns over just fine but the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > long will help rule out some of the possible problems. Where do I begin? > TIA!! Scoobey So the engine turns over? If not, the starter solenoid isn't engaging the flywheel. Air, fuel, fire. One isn't happening. BTW, the dealer does not reprogram one of these ECUs. Bill in Omaha '86 535i |
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