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Car Forum / BMW Cars / September 2007

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Make Mini-Cooper Clutch Easier To Push?

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Gary Brown - 17 Sep 2007 23:21 GMT
Hi,

My daughter wants a Mini-Cooper but finds the clutch pedal
takes much too much force, especially the "S".  Is there an
adjustment or an aftermarket replacement that would require
less foot effort?  She will be living in Boston where you can
spend a lot of time on the clutch.

She has also driven the RSX (including the "S") which has
more horsepower without having such a heavy clutch.

Thanks,
Gary
Brownz (Mobile) - 18 Sep 2007 00:19 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Thanks,
> Gary

Auto ?

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Dan - 18 Sep 2007 01:12 GMT
> Hi,
>
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> Thanks,
> Gary

Isn't the RSX discontinued?

Dan
John Carrier - 18 Sep 2007 01:21 GMT
> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks,
> Gary

Have you considered giving her a membership in a gym?

R / John
Keith Kratochvil - 18 Sep 2007 01:47 GMT
I don't know for sure, but there is probably some spring that can be changed
out. Anyone have more knowledge on the subject?

> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks,
> Gary
Dean Dark - 18 Sep 2007 23:06 GMT
>> Hi,

>> My daughter wants a Mini-Cooper but finds the clutch pedal
>> takes much too much force,

>I don't know for sure, but there is probably some spring that can be changed
>out. Anyone have more knowledge on the subject?

Your question demonstrates an appalling ignorance of the subject
matter.  Are you aware of that?
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adder1969 - 19 Sep 2007 11:18 GMT
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 00:47:03 GMT, "Keith Kratochvil"
>
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> --
> Dan.

Technically, he is correct though.
Dean Dark - 19 Sep 2007 22:47 GMT
>> >I don't know for sure, but there is probably some spring that can be changed
>> >out. Anyone have more knowledge on the subject?
>>
>> Your question demonstrates an appalling ignorance of the subject
>> matter.  Are you aware of that?

>Technically, he is correct though.

I'll grant you that, but the appalling ignorance remains.
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R. Mark Clayton - 19 Sep 2007 12:35 GMT
>>> Hi,
>
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> Your question demonstrates an appalling ignorance of the subject
> matter.  Are you aware of that?

Yes, but he had the foresight to acknowledge his ignorance and ask in a
newsgroup.  Your answer demonstrates your ignorance full stop.
Keith Kratochvil - 19 Sep 2007 12:52 GMT
Well, I was trying to get this thread moving in the right direction. At the
time of my post, the responses were IMO smartass answers (auto, gym
membership). Yes, I do admit my ignorance on this subject - I have never
been in a MINI or know anything about them. I have owned 2 BMW's though and
2 VW's and know more about those makes. The important thing, again IMO, is
getting the answer for the OP. If I sound ignorant in the process it's no
big deal as long as the person with the question gets a valid answer.

>>> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Your question demonstrates an appalling ignorance of the subject
> matter.  Are you aware of that?
Scott Dorsey - 19 Sep 2007 14:37 GMT
>>> Hi,
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Your question demonstrates an appalling ignorance of the subject
>matter.  Are you aware of that?

Well, that's why he came here... to cure his ignorance.

That said, it might be possible to loosen the return spring a little bit
but it won't make a huge difference in the feel.  It might make enough
to satisfy her, though.

Personally, I think the clutch pedal on the Mini is pretty light and I'd
prefer something that took a little more force.  Chacun a son gout and all
that.
--scott
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Floyd Rogers - 18 Sep 2007 05:02 GMT
> My daughter wants a Mini-Cooper but finds the clutch pedal
> takes much too much force, especially the "S".  Is there an
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> She has also driven the RSX (including the "S") which has
> more horsepower without having such a heavy clutch.

All the posts I have seen (mostly on roadfly's Mini forum)
say that the clutch is "light".  Minis have hydraulic clutches
so there is no adjustment or spring to change.  To change
the feel, you'd have to change both the master and slave
cylinders; you're talking about several hundred dollars at least.

FloydR
adder1969 - 18 Sep 2007 15:50 GMT
> All the posts I have seen (mostly on roadfly's Mini forum)
> say that the clutch is "light".  Minis have hydraulic clutches
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>
> FloydR

You mean hydraulically operated clutches, I think, and even with those
sometimes the operating arm is external and you can modify the
leverage point.  I have no idea if the new minis are like that or not.

If all the minis you've tried have a stiff clutch then her leg might
ache for a little while but should get used to it.   When I go skiing
my left leg is always fine and my right aches very quickly.
R. Mark Clayton - 19 Sep 2007 12:37 GMT
>> All the posts I have seen (mostly on roadfly's Mini forum)
>> say that the clutch is "light".  Minis have hydraulic clutches
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> sometimes the operating arm is external and you can modify the
> leverage point.  I have no idea if the new minis are like that or not.

Bit of string probably, although BMW will have redesigned it by now.

I wonder if any original mini part is still used in the current model?

> If all the minis you've tried have a stiff clutch then her leg might
> ache for a little while but should get used to it.   When I go skiing
> my left leg is always fine and my right aches very quickly.
Dave Plowman (News) - 19 Sep 2007 14:06 GMT
> > You mean hydraulically operated clutches, I think, and even with those
> > sometimes the operating arm is external and you can modify the
> > leverage point.  I have no idea if the new minis are like that or not.

> Bit of string probably, although BMW will have redesigned it by now.

> I wonder if any original mini part is still used in the current model?

If you mean the proper Issigonis designed Mini I'd say the only
interchangeable parts would be some of the light bulbs.

I like the BMW Mini as a car but it's simply not a Mini as envisaged.
It's a large small car tight for interior space - the exact reverse of the
original.

In my youth I had some 4 Minis - all vans - and had as much fun driving
them as anything legal. They were the first vehicles I owned that could be
driven flat out all day without breaking down. Or braking, come to
that. ;-)

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R. Mark Clayton - 19 Sep 2007 18:29 GMT
>> > You mean hydraulically operated clutches, I think, and even with those
>> > sometimes the operating arm is external and you can modify the
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> If you mean the proper Issigonis designed Mini I'd say the only
> interchangeable parts would be some of the light bulbs.

Haven't they gone LED?  I will check - a mate has just bought the latest
one.

> I like the BMW Mini as a car but it's simply not a Mini as envisaged.
> It's a large small car tight for interior space - the exact reverse of the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> driven flat out all day without breaking down. Or braking, come to
> that. ;-)
adder1969 - 20 Sep 2007 11:05 GMT
On Sep 19, 2:06 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <yd-dnW-0YZwllGzbnZ2dnUVZ8vedn...@bt.com>,
>
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> driven flat out all day without breaking down. Or braking, come to
> that. ;-)

Ok, you *had* to drive them flat out everywhere.
They'd go all day without breaking down, but then wouldn't start in
the morning :-)   Actually, my bro's BL one wouldn't but my Mk1 Morris
with electric fuel pump would start first time on the button.

Great cars to drive but I remember the rust, the electrics, the
subframe mounts, the steering balljoints, the hub balljoints, the
"king" pins, the trailing arm bushes, the waterpump hose, ... ...
Dave Plowman (News) - 20 Sep 2007 16:55 GMT
> >  In my youth I had some 4 Minis - all vans - and had as much fun
> > driving them as anything legal. They were the first vehicles I owned
> > that could be driven flat out all day without breaking down. Or
> > braking, come to that. ;-)

> Ok, you *had* to drive them flat out everywhere.
> They'd go all day without breaking down, but then wouldn't start in
> the morning :-)  

Never had that problem with any of mine - but I did keep them in good
tune. So few BHP you couldn't afford to lose any. ;-)

You could also start them with a flat battery by jacking up one front
wheel, selecting top and spinning it by hand. Who needs a starting handle?

> Actually, my bro's BL one wouldn't but my Mk1 Morris
> with electric fuel pump would start first time on the button.

> Great cars to drive but I remember the rust, the electrics, the
> subframe mounts, the steering balljoints, the hub balljoints, the
> "king" pins, the trailing arm bushes, the waterpump hose, ... ...
You missed out wheel bearings. ;-)

But since the most I paid was 25 gbp I expected some repairs. It was rust
which caused me to scrap them although one was smashed by a pal. So you
simply kept the bits you knew you'd need and threw away the rest. Think
it's called bangernomics these days.

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Dean Dark - 20 Sep 2007 23:26 GMT
>But since the most I paid was 25 gbp I expected some repairs. It was rust
>which caused me to scrap them although one was smashed by a pal. So you
>simply kept the bits you knew you'd need and threw away the rest. Think
>it's called bangernomics these days.

I splashed out on a very nice brand new 1973 Clubman 1275 GT, and put
a full length Webasto sunroof in it.  Then my drunken bitch of an
ex-wife promptly drove it full on into an old Land Rover that was
parked perfectly innocently on the side of the street and wrote it
off.  When she got home, the thing that worried her most was that she
had lost one of her shoes.  I miss her *so* much.

I have a few other 'real' Minis in the same timeframe, in various
states of tattiness and/or tune.  They were definitely some of the
most fun cars at the time.
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