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Car Forum / BMW Cars / September 2007

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BMW Experiments and Oddities

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jasoncoles_2@hotmail.com - 25 Sep 2007 16:29 GMT
I've heard that BMW in South Africa produced a limited line of E46s
with 4 litre engines. i.e a 340. Any truth to this and if so anyone
got any pics?

J
Pete - 25 Sep 2007 19:37 GMT
> I've heard that BMW in South Africa produced a limited line of E46s
> with 4 litre engines. i.e a 340. Any truth to this and if so anyone
> got any pics?

Never heard of it.  There was an e30 with a 3.3 liter engine (333i), so who
knows, maybe they concocted a similar thing with the e46.  On the other
hand, with a powerful e46 M3, I don't see what the point would be to come up
with yet another engine choice.

Pete
John Burns - 26 Sep 2007 18:43 GMT
> Never heard of it.  There was an e30 with a 3.3 liter engine (333i), so who
> knows, maybe they concocted a similar thing with the e46.  On the other
> hand, with a powerful e46 M3, I don't see what the point would be to come up
> with yet another engine choice.

I do. They didn't get the e23 745i in SA because it was left hand drive
only and also (I think) because turbos perform badly at high altitudes.
So their 745i had the M1's engine!! Maybe they're not getting the 335i
but getting 340i instead?

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Pete - 26 Sep 2007 19:23 GMT
> Maybe they're not getting the 335i
> but getting 340i instead?

But he asked about the E46.  There were no turbo gasoline engines (like the
335i in E90) in E46.  The E46 M3 is not turbocharged either.

Pete
hsg@h-gee.co.uk - 25 Sep 2007 20:59 GMT
>I've heard that BMW in South Africa produced a limited line of E46s
>with 4 litre engines. i.e a 340. Any truth to this and if so anyone
>got any pics?
>
>J
Triumph produced a Toledo that was sold as a BMW in Argentina in the 60's
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Dean Dark - 25 Sep 2007 23:30 GMT
>>I've heard that BMW in South Africa produced a limited line of E46s
>>with 4 litre engines. i.e a 340. Any truth to this and if so anyone
>>got any pics?
>>
>Triumph produced a Toledo that was sold as a BMW in Argentina in the 60's

I don't doubt you but I never heard of that.  I heard of Hondas with
Triumph badges, but not Triumphs with BMW ones.  Got a cite/reference?
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hsg@h-gee.co.uk - 26 Sep 2007 20:21 GMT
>>>I've heard that BMW in South Africa produced a limited line of E46s
>>>with 4 litre engines. i.e a 340. Any truth to this and if so anyone
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>I don't doubt you but I never heard of that.  I heard of Hondas with
>Triumph badges, but not Triumphs with BMW ones.  Got a cite/reference
Autocar magazine about 1968- 1975 ish is they ran a few articles about cars in
south America and featured the VW Beetle and other oddities still being produced
in numbers or sold as different makes.

The VW Beetle was being imported to the UK and Euro land at the time when VW
were concentrating on the Waterecooled variants like the Golf etc.

Actually I think the Triumph was a hybrid version of the old Morris 1300 FWD
with the Michiletti (?) styling of the old Triumph 2000 with the rear
pillar/door being a "dog leg" as the BMW trade mark - it wore the BMW roundel.
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Dave Plowman (News) - 26 Sep 2007 23:39 GMT
> Actually I think the Triumph was a hybrid version of the old Morris 1300
> FWD with the Michiletti (?) styling of the old Triumph 2000 with the
> rear pillar/door being a "dog leg" as the BMW trade mark - it wore the
> BMW roundel.

The Triumph FWD models owed absolutely nothing to the Issigonis designed
Morris/Austin 1300s - the ADO16 range. They had north south engines with a
separate gearbox - totally different from the east west engine with
gearbox in sump which was a hallmark of Issigonis.

The body was designed by Michelotti but there the similarity with the 2000
ended.

The Toledo and Dolomite used basically the same shell but reverted to RWD.
The Dolomite used the 1800cc engine which was to power future generations
of SAABs - although in modified form. The Dolomite Sprint had a clever
single OHC 16 valve design and was pretty fast. It could certainly have
been in the BMW 'mould'. But I've not heard the story of it or any other
Triumph being sold with a BMW badge anywhere. Besides, it was a similar
size to the BMW 1600/2002

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