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Car Forum / BMW Cars / September 2007

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Body style termonology?

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Gordon Shumway - 29 Sep 2007 21:07 GMT
Touring, Cabriolet, Convertible, Saloon, Coupe, Sedan, Station Wagon,
Roadster.  Did I miss any?

Could someone cross-reference the European terms with the U.S. terms?
The only one I think I know is Cabriolet = Convertible.  I think
Touring may be Station Wagon but that's just a guess.

Thanks,
G.S.
hsg@h-gee.co.uk - 29 Sep 2007 21:19 GMT
>Touring, Cabriolet, Convertible, Saloon, Coupe, Sedan, Station Wagon,
>Roadster.  Did I miss any?
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>Thanks,
>G.S.

Touring        Station Wagon        Estate car

Cabriolet    convertible        soft-top

sedan        saloon   

coupé        2 door hardtop sports

roadster        sports car        old style hot rod (32 Ford)

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Jeff Strickland - 29 Sep 2007 21:21 GMT
Touring and Station Wagon is a good guess. Salon (not saloon, saloon is a
bar) is the 4-door, which is the Sedan in the states. Cabriolet is a
convertible, coupe is a 2-door, sedan and salon is a 4-door, and touring is
a station wagon.

> Touring, Cabriolet, Convertible, Saloon, Coupe, Sedan, Station Wagon,
> Roadster.  Did I miss any?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks,
> G.S.
Tom K. - 29 Sep 2007 21:45 GMT
Not quite, Jeff.  A sedan with a boot and bonnet is a "saloon".  With a hood
and trunk, it is a sedan.  But a salon is something else entirely!

Tom K.

> Touring and Station Wagon is a good guess. Salon (not saloon, saloon is a
> bar) is the 4-door, which is the Sedan in the states. Cabriolet is a
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>> Thanks,
>> G.S.
Gordon Shumway - 30 Sep 2007 01:34 GMT
This is getting a little more complicated than I thought it would.

Is there an automotive difference between "Saloon" and "Salon" or is
there a regional usage of both terms that mean the same thing?

Thanks,
G.S.

>Not quite, Jeff.  A sedan with a boot and bonnet is a "saloon".  With a hood
>and trunk, it is a sedan.  But a salon is something else entirely!
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>>> Thanks,
>>> G.S.
Tom K. - 30 Sep 2007 04:10 GMT
> This is getting a little more complicated than I thought it would.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thanks,
> G.S.

Saloon = Sedan (type of car) or Bar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saloon

Salon = Gathering (not a car)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_%28disambiguation%29

Tom K.
hsg@h-gee.co.uk - 30 Sep 2007 11:12 GMT
>This is getting a little more complicated than I thought it would.
>
>Is there an automotive difference between "Saloon" and "Salon" or is
>there a regional usage of both terms that mean the same thing?

NO

A SEDAN is either a portable chair that one is carried on and thus is transposed
to the US version of a mode of transport "SEDAN" or in the UK terminology
"SALOON".

A SALON on the other hand is most commonly referred to as in "Hair Salon"
meaning a hairdresser's shop or establishment or as someone else mentioned "a
gathering" where women flock together to moan and chatter about nothing whilst
having their hair cut, dyed, styled etc.

A man, on the other hand, simply has a "hair cut" and moans about some sport or
other instead of talking some sense - but then it's the only time we get isn't -
it? like sitting on the lavatory reading the paper or the latest
magazine........

Hugh

>Thanks,
>G.S.
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>>>> Thanks,
>>>> G.S.
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R. Mark Clayton - 30 Sep 2007 13:26 GMT
>>This is getting a little more complicated than I thought it would.
>>
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> to the US version of a mode of transport "SEDAN" or in the UK terminology
> "SALOON".

correct

> A SALON on the other hand is most commonly referred to as in "Hair Salon"
> meaning a hairdresser's shop or establishment or as someone else mentioned
> "a
> gathering" where women flock together to moan and chatter about nothing
> whilst having their hair cut, dyed, styled etc.

Perhaps they should be called "talking shops"?

> A man, on the other hand, simply has a "hair cut" and moans about some
> sport or
> other instead of talking some sense -

My hairdresser (or should I say barber) was a one time Manchester City FC
season ticket holder.  The last couple of seasons have largely been spent
with my winding him up about how precious few MCFC goals he will have seen
for his money and that if he did want to see goals and silverware without
travelling to London then he really ought to support another Manchester
club.  This season however the boot has been on the other foot...

> Hugh
>>
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>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> G.S.
Dean Dark - 29 Sep 2007 23:41 GMT
>Touring and Station Wagon is a good guess. Salon (not saloon, saloon is a
>bar) is the 4-door, which is the Sedan in the states. Cabriolet is a
>convertible, coupe is a 2-door, sedan and salon is a 4-door, and touring is
>a station wagon.

That reminds me of a joke that only works if spoken and even then only
with Merkin pronunciation.

Why does a chicken coop only have two doors?

Because it if had four doors, it would be a chicken sedan.

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Tom K. - 29 Sep 2007 21:40 GMT
> Touring, Cabriolet, Convertible, Saloon, Coupe, Sedan, Station Wagon,
> Roadster.  Did I miss any?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Thanks,
> G.S.

In the US, the Touring (wagon) has now become a "Sports Wagon"

http://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/3/328iSportsWagon/

Tom K.
Dave Plowman (News) - 30 Sep 2007 18:32 GMT
> Touring, Cabriolet, Convertible, Saloon, Coupe, Sedan, Station Wagon,
> Roadster.  Did I miss any?

> Could someone cross-reference the European terms with the U.S. terms?
> The only one I think I know is Cabriolet = Convertible.  I think
> Touring may be Station Wagon but that's just a guess.

Neither is a UK term. 'Touring' was sort of invented by BMW. A tourer is a
convertible non sports car with usually more than two seats - rather like
a 3 Series.

A station wagon in the UK is called an estate car. Which the lord of the
estate might well send to meet a train. ;-)

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Dean Dark - 30 Sep 2007 18:49 GMT
>A station wagon in the UK is called an estate car. Which the lord of the
>estate might well send to meet a train. ;-)

For additional confusion, you could throw 'shooting brake' into the
mix.  I'm pretty sure that there isn't a US equivalent for that.
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Jeff Strickland - 30 Sep 2007 19:07 GMT
>>A station wagon in the UK is called an estate car. Which the lord of the
>>estate might well send to meet a train. ;-)
>
> For additional confusion, you could throw 'shooting brake' into the
> mix.  I'm pretty sure that there isn't a US equivalent for that.

Shooting brake? Is that for the gang bangers engaged in drive-by shootings?
hsg@h-gee.co.uk - 30 Sep 2007 19:31 GMT
>>>A station wagon in the UK is called an estate car. Which the lord of the
>>>estate might well send to meet a train. ;-)
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>
>Shooting brake? Is that for the gang bangers engaged in drive-by shootings?

It's what the LORD of the MANOR might send a "shooting" party out to shoot
Grouse with on October 12th for sport if you can call chasing wild birds and
making them fly off to be shot down by arseholes with shotguns sport.

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The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys.

Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it!

Hugh Gundersen
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Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

Dave Plowman (News) - 30 Sep 2007 22:51 GMT
> >A station wagon in the UK is called an estate car. Which the lord of the
> >estate might well send to meet a train. ;-)

> For additional confusion, you could throw 'shooting brake' into the
> mix.  I'm pretty sure that there isn't a US equivalent for that.

Not much used these days.

Quite a good description of what they are here - to save my fingers. ;-)

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