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Car Forum / BMW Cars / October 2007

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Anyroadup - 09 Oct 2007 15:03 GMT
Can anybody tell me if I can deactivate/turn off the rain sensor on my
1998 735 and just have manual control of the windscreen wipers please?
R. Mark Clayton - 09 Oct 2007 16:25 GMT
> Can anybody tell me if I can deactivate/turn off the rain sensor on my
> 1998 735 and just have manual control of the windscreen wipers please?

Yes, just don't put the stalk in the auto position!

Fast
Normal
auto / intermittent
off
flick

and IIRC
press = wash cycle
pull = squirt and flick
hsg@h-gee.co.uk - 09 Oct 2007 18:24 GMT
>> Can anybody tell me if I can deactivate/turn off the rain sensor on my
>> 1998 735 and just have manual control of the windscreen wipers please?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>press = wash cycle
>pull = squirt and flick

I agree as it worked on my E38 740i and my new E65
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Anyroadup - 10 Oct 2007 08:22 GMT
On Oct 9, 4:25 pm, "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclay...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

> > Can anybody tell me if I can deactivate/turn off the rain sensor on my
> > 1998 735 and just have manual control of the windscreen wipers please?
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> press = wash cycle
> pull = squirt and flick

So how can I have intermittent without auto activating?
Mike G - 10 Oct 2007 10:43 GMT
> On Oct 9, 4:25 pm, "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclay...@btinternet.com>
> wrote:
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>
> So how can I have intermittent without auto activating?

AFAIK you can't, but why would you want to?
You can adjust the sensitivity of the rain sensor though, by using the
knurled wheel on the indicator stalk which will alter how frequently it
wipes.
Mike.
Anyroadup - 10 Oct 2007 10:53 GMT
> > On Oct 9, 4:25 pm, "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclay...@btinternet.com>
> > wrote:
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Oh, I see. Thank you. Why is there an intermttent setting then?
Mike G - 10 Oct 2007 11:09 GMT
>> > On Oct 9, 4:25 pm, "R. Mark Clayton" <nospamclay...@btinternet.com>
>> > wrote:
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>
> Oh, I see. Thank you. Why is there an intermttent setting then?

The drivers h/book might have expressed it better.
You have intermittent, 'or' rain sensor if it is fitted, but not both.
Mike.
Anyroadup - 10 Oct 2007 11:53 GMT
> >> "Anyroadup" <anyroa...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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All becomes clear. Thanks again.
Dave Plowman (News) - 10 Oct 2007 18:05 GMT
> > The drivers h/book might have expressed it better.
> > You have intermittent, 'or' rain sensor if it is fitted, but not both.
> > Mike.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -

> All becomes clear. Thanks again.

It's not a brilliant system but the function is worsened if the *inside*
of the screen isn't clean - I'd guess due to 'light' scatter effecting the
sensor. So give it a good clean with warm water with a drop or two of
washing up liquid in it then finish off with a chamois leather and see if
it works more to your satisfaction.

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adder1969 - 11 Oct 2007 14:11 GMT
On Oct 10, 6:05 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <1192013621.351380.30...@v3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> washing up liquid in it then finish off with a chamois leather and see if
> it works more to your satisfaction.

The sensor is moulded into the screen so which bit are you suggesting
cleaning?
Dave Plowman (News) - 11 Oct 2007 15:26 GMT
> > It's not a brilliant system but the function is worsened if the
> > *inside* of the screen isn't clean - I'd guess due to 'light' scatter
> > effecting the sensor. So give it a good clean with warm water with a
> > drop or two of washing up liquid in it then finish off with a chamois
> > leather and see if it works more to your satisfaction.

> The sensor is moulded into the screen so which bit are you suggesting
> cleaning?

The whole of it - why bother just doing a bit? Some people never clean the
inside of the windscreen properly as a build up of traffic film etc
happens gradually and evenly via the demister vents so can go unnoticed.
But if you're one who does keep the screen clean ignore this. ;-)

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adder1969 - 11 Oct 2007 16:03 GMT
On Oct 11, 3:26 pm, "Dave Plowman (News)" <d...@davenoise.co.uk>
wrote:
> In article <1192108301.705787.26...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> happens gradually and evenly via the demister vents so can go unnoticed.
> But if you're one who does keep the screen clean ignore this. ;-)

I'm going to give it a try but if it doesn't work you're in big
trouble ;-)
Fred W - 11 Oct 2007 16:43 GMT
>>>The drivers h/book might have expressed it better.
>>>You have intermittent, 'or' rain sensor if it is fitted, but not both.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> washing up liquid in it then finish off with a chamois leather and see if
> it works more to your satisfaction.

Really?  In my cars that have rain sensors, there are small ~2" black
square areas in the windshield, directly in front of the rear view
mirror, that have the "sensors".  The only part of the windshield that
the sensor is sensitive to is the 2" square and perhaps an additional
inch in each direction, all of which cannot be cleaned from the inside.
 You cannot see the sensor area from inside the car as it is covered by
a part of the interior molding.

Oh, and I agree.  They are most definitely not brilliant.  I personally
prefer a standard time delay intermittent and to adjust it myself to
varying rain intensities.

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Dave Plowman (News) - 11 Oct 2007 18:09 GMT
> > It's not a brilliant system but the function is worsened if the
> > *inside* of the screen isn't clean - I'd guess due to 'light' scatter
> > effecting the sensor. So give it a good clean with warm water with a
> > drop or two of washing up liquid in it then finish off with a chamois
> > leather and see if it works more to your satisfaction.

> Really?  In my cars that have rain sensors, there are small ~2" black
> square areas in the windshield, directly in front of the rear view
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>   You cannot see the sensor area from inside the car as it is covered by
> a part of the interior molding.

Could be - or that it is only the parts of the screen close to the sensor
that react by cleaning it. All I can say is mine was worse than usual
after a long trip with a car full of people  - and a dog - where the
screen ended up pretty dirty. Cleaned the whole screen and it reverted to
normal operation. Could of course be just coincidence but it costs nothing
to try.

> Oh, and I agree.  They are most definitely not brilliant.  I personally
> prefer a standard time delay intermittent and to adjust it myself to
> varying rain intensities.

Trouble is you're constantly tweaking the delay as the rainfall changes. I
fitted such a system to my other car - fully variable delay instead of
fixed - and it's still anything but a perfect solution. I did wonder about
trying a highly selective frequency sound measuring system - if the blades
produce a fixed frequency as they dry out.

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Mike G - 11 Oct 2007 18:25 GMT
>>>>The drivers h/book might have expressed it better.
>>>>You have intermittent, 'or' rain sensor if it is fitted, but not both.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> the sensor area from inside the car as it is covered by a part of the
> interior molding.

I think you are right. I don't the cleaniless of the screen interior can
affect the behaviour of the sensor.

> Oh, and I agree.  They are most definitely not brilliant.  I personally
> prefer a standard time delay intermittent and to adjust it myself to
> varying rain intensities.

I quite like it. The problem I find with a std delay system, is that in
light rain, one speed can be too slow, and the next speed up too fast. Or on
a wet road where the spray coming off other vehicles is not constant, or the
amount of rain varies from minute to minute. In those circumstances, the
only real solution is to operate the wiper manually, or in conjunction with
the delay timer.

With the rain sensor system, the wiper can be adjusted to suit varying
conditions.
I've found that at the most sensitive setting it wipes too early, and at the
most sensitive setting, too late, which makes it easy to find a setting
between which suits me.
Mike.
adder1969 - 12 Oct 2007 10:23 GMT
> With the rain sensor system, the wiper can be adjusted to suit varying
> conditions.
> I've found that at the most sensitive setting it wipes too early, and at the
> most sensitive setting, too late, which makes it easy to find a setting
> between which suits me.
> Mike.- Hide quoted text -

On my E46 it's OK but it depends on what type of rain we get.  The one
on my E38 isn't very good at all and it got worse after the screen was
changed.
 
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