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Car Forum / BMW Cars / October 2007

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ECU Chips. Do they work?

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pest - 09 Oct 2007 19:43 GMT
Hi.
Anyone know, or have had experience with one of these so called
'superchips'?
Claims of 13bhp increase and fatter torque curve?

Have an E39, 528 and am wondering if its worth the £300. It looks a bit to
good to be true.

Sorry if this has been covered before.

Cheers.
Pete - 09 Oct 2007 20:15 GMT
> Anyone know, or have had experience with one of these so called
> 'superchips'?
> Claims of 13bhp increase and fatter torque curve?
>
> Have an E39, 528 and am wondering if its worth the £300. It looks a bit to
> good to be true.

Ask the seller to include the cost of two dyno runs in that price, one
before and one after the chip install.  If the power/torque increases don't
confirm the claims, ask for a refund.  (I know they won't agree).

From what I've read, these chips do increase power and torque slightly, but
not by +13bhp.  Now if you had a turbo engine, that would be a different
story.  I had a chip in my old 1.8T and it did make a noticeable difference.

Pete
R. Mark Clayton - 10 Oct 2007 01:26 GMT
> Hi.
> Anyone know, or have had experience with one of these so called
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Cheers.

If they work you will burn the valves or similar over stress type damage.

If they don't you will probably never know, because how often do you drive
at the res line on the tach?
Saul Towers - 10 Oct 2007 09:07 GMT
The company shows a dyno test claiming to back up the figures quoted and
they look about right, but I don't think they are going to entertain doing a
one off run on my car. Too expensive I would think.

The 'over stressing ' point is exactly what I am worried about, however they
do give you a warranty stating that in the event of any damage caused by the
chip the repair will be paid for by them. Which in itself is a bit worrying!
Not exactly confidence inspiring.

I'm not really bothered about the top end speed gain, more the bigger torque
gain. In the UK we dont really have any roads big enough to max out this
size of car, your either nicked or in hospital!

Thanks for the views guys, think I will leave things as they are.

Cheers.

>> Hi.
>> Anyone know, or have had experience with one of these so called
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> If they don't you will probably never know, because how often do you drive
> at the res line on the tach?
Dave Plowman (News) - 10 Oct 2007 17:59 GMT
> I'm not really bothered about the top end speed gain, more the bigger
> torque gain. In the UK we dont really have any roads big enough to max
> out this size of car, your either nicked or in hospital!

Unless the ignition timing, valve timing or fuelling was well out chipping
the car is unlikely to help torque. Different matter with a turbo where
you can wind up the boost. You *might* increase the max BHP by increasing
the rev limit but again doubtful. Some early EFI engines could be improved
by chipping as they tended to run rather weak at cruise, but I don't think
this applies to the 528.

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Fred W - 11 Oct 2007 04:42 GMT
> Hi.
>  Anyone know, or have had experience with one of these so called
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Cheers.

While 13hp sounds like an astounding increase, you would be very hard
pressed to be able to even detect an increase as small as 13hp.  Why?
Because the horse power peak (and thus the largest increase) occurs way
up in the rpm range where the average driver never even ventures.

Take your £300 and enter yourself in a performace driving school.  Money
will be better spent, I say.

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Dave Plowman (News) - 11 Oct 2007 08:15 GMT
> >  Anyone know, or have had experience with one of these so called
> > 'superchips'?
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> >
> > Sorry if this has been covered before.

> While 13hp sounds like an astounding increase, you would be very hard
> pressed to be able to even detect an increase as small as 13hp.  Why?
> Because the horse power peak (and thus the largest increase) occurs way
> up in the rpm range where the average driver never even ventures.

It would depend on how the increase is achieved. BHP - as you'll
understand but not all will - is a product of torque and engine speed. If
you simply increase the engine speed while maintaining the torque output
you'll get a higher maximum BHP figure which as you say most won't notice.
But if chipping increases the torque across the range by the equivalent of
about 5% as claimed IMHO you would feel the difference. But it's a very
big 'if' with most modern systems. Simply increasing the fuelling can
achieve more power at the expense of economy and emissions sometimes.  

> Take your £300 and enter yourself in a performace driving school.  Money
> will be better spent, I say.

Could be, although most can manage a fast start in a traffic light GP. ;-)

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