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Anyroadup - 17 Oct 2007 15:42 GMT
I have topped up my windscreen washer bottle using 1/10 screenwash.
Should I put neat cocentrate in the intensive wash bottle?
hsg@h-gee.co.uk - 17 Oct 2007 16:02 GMT
>I have topped up my windscreen washer bottle using 1/10 screenwash.
>Should I put neat cocentrate in the intensive wash bottle?

NO

Try using an egg cup full of liquid sugar-soap in the washer bottle - does
fantastic job of removing grease and other sh.t.
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Anyroadup - 17 Oct 2007 16:12 GMT
On Oct 17, 4:02 pm, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote:
> >I have topped up my windscreen washer bottle using 1/10 screenwash.
> >Should I put neat cocentrate in the intensive wash bottle?
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> h...@h-gee.co.uk
> Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK

Intensive or ordinary bottle?
hsg@h-gee.co.uk - 17 Oct 2007 17:07 GMT
>On Oct 17, 4:02 pm, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote:
>> >I have topped up my windscreen washer bottle using 1/10 screenwash.
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>
>Intensive or ordinary bottle?

I use it in both especially in the winter.  As you know it cleans paintwork
fantastically so don't use too much as it might just remove all your polish too.
After all we only want to clean the screen and headlamps.  DON'T over do it
remember egg-cup (chicken's eggs not Ostrich Eggs)

Sir Hugh of Bognor

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DCA - 17 Oct 2007 23:05 GMT
>  
>> On Oct 17, 4:02 pm, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote:
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>  
What, an eggcup in each of THAT caustic stuff?
hsg@h-gee.co.uk - 18 Oct 2007 22:03 GMT
>>  
>>> On Oct 17, 4:02 pm, h...@h-gee.co.uk wrote:
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>>  
>What, an eggcup in each of THAT caustic stuff?

Are you sure that it's Sodium Hydroxide based?  It may be strong but I did say
NOT much and don't go mad - just a little keeps it all clean.
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R. Mark Clayton - 18 Oct 2007 18:57 GMT
>I have topped up my windscreen washer bottle using 1/10 screenwash.
> Should I put neat cocentrate in the intensive wash bottle?

Depends where you are.

I usually put ~5% in the regular bottle and about 10% in the intensive -
less in summer, more in winter.

If it is very cold where you are put more [methanol] based washer fluid in.
DCA - 18 Oct 2007 23:39 GMT
>  
>> I have topped up my windscreen washer bottle using 1/10 screenwash.
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>
>  
Can you explain?
I have a water bottle and a concentrate bottle as far as I am aware that is!
I thought one took water, and the other took fluid that it mixes with
the water.
I'm obviously missing something here - I assume I need to read the manual!
hsg@h-gee.co.uk - 19 Oct 2007 16:31 GMT
>>  
>>> I have topped up my windscreen washer bottle using 1/10 screenwash.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>the water.
>I'm obviously missing something here - I assume I need to read the manual!

One is for the screen washer - mix solution with water for everyday use.  The
other is DEEP CLEAN and takes almost neat screen wash.  However, I don't know if
the two are mixed when you pull the column stalk to deep clean or whether it
just sucks from the concentrate tank but I do know that it always needs filling
when I use the washers with the lights on so I presumed (E38 740i) that one was
for the lamps and the other was for the screen.  Handbook doesn't say much about
it.
Sir Hugh of Bognor

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Dave Plowman (News) - 19 Oct 2007 18:05 GMT
> Can you explain? I have a water bottle and a concentrate bottle as far
> as I am aware that is! I thought one took water, and the other took
> fluid that it mixes with the water. I'm obviously missing something
> here - I assume I need to read the manual!

You should. They are separate systems with separate controls. The washer
is normal - you use a mixture of water and screen cleaner as normal. The
intensive wash uses a different fluid. If you've been using plain water in
the normal washer it probably hasn't worked that well. ;-)

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DCA - 21 Oct 2007 21:40 GMT
>  
>> Can you explain? I have a water bottle and a concentrate bottle as far
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>  
sh.t!
DCA - 21 Oct 2007 21:47 GMT
>>  
>>> Can you explain? I have a water bottle and a concentrate bottle as far
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>>  
> sh.t!
Thinking about it - the set-up I had imagined would leave the water
vulnerable to a freeze!
Any tips on after-market intensive cleaners (apart from sugarsoap)
Bob Smitter - 22 Oct 2007 00:16 GMT
> Thinking about it - the set-up I had imagined would leave the water
> vulnerable to a freeze!
> Any tips on after-market intensive cleaners (apart from sugarsoap)

For us Yanks, what, praytell, is sugarsoap?
Dean Dark - 22 Oct 2007 01:02 GMT
>> Thinking about it - the set-up I had imagined would leave the water
>> vulnerable to a freeze!
>> Any tips on after-market intensive cleaners (apart from sugarsoap)
>
>For us Yanks, what, praytell, is sugarsoap?

TSP, or Trisodium Phosphate.
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hsg@h-gee.co.uk - 22 Oct 2007 09:15 GMT
>> Thinking about it - the set-up I had imagined would leave the water
>> vulnerable to a freeze!
>> Any tips on after-market intensive cleaners (apart from sugarsoap)
>
>For us Yanks, what, praytell, is sugarsoap?

An old style detergent that is used to was household paintwork prior to sanding
and repainting.  Often used commercially in the past it now available in DIY
stores in the decorating section either in powder form to be mixed as in the old
days or liquid in bottles or plastic containers.  It is quite good stuff and not
that dangerous as one would expect as today's rules and regulation have reduced
the effectiveness of commercially available cleaning materials to the general
public.

I used to us a product called G850 that was a trade only car degreaser/cleaner.
This is also available in 5L containers in the UK (renamed now) and similar must
be available in the US - Try the phone book for car paint suppliers for
degreasers or there must be a franchise of "Auto-Smart" in your area and,
although trade only, the guy will sell anything on board to anybody and I will
vouch that this would be my first port of call if I could only catch the local
guy going in my direction - only ever see him going the other way!

But whatever you use only use a very small amount. Sugarsoap - about an egg-cup
full per gallon (4Lit -US Gall)

Sir Hugh of Bognor
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R. Mark Clayton - 22 Oct 2007 12:35 GMT
>>>> Can you explain? I have a water bottle and a concentrate bottle as far
>>>> as I am aware that is! I thought one took water, and the other took
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> vulnerable to a freeze!
> Any tips on after-market intensive cleaners (apart from sugarsoap)

Just wander into Halfords and have a look around.

There are two things you need: -

1. Detergent suitable to remove traffic film.

2. Methanol to stop it freezing (although this will dissolve oil)

If you are somewhere very cold then buy a cheap one that smells strongly of
alcohol and use a 25 or 33% mix.  Too much detergent and it will remove wax
from the paintwork.
Dave Plowman (News) - 22 Oct 2007 22:24 GMT
> If you are somewhere very cold then buy a cheap one that smells strongly
> of alcohol and use a 25 or 33% mix.  Too much detergent and it will
> remove wax from the paintwork.

The pump on my intensive wash bottle started leaking on my E39. Might have
leaked slightly before getting so bad I replaced it. And on removing the
whole lot to replace the pump I discovered the fluid had removed the paint
under the reservoir down to the bare metal and rust had started. ;-)  

After this it occurred to me just how much protection base coat only gives
to the under bonnet areas?

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Scott Dorsey - 23 Oct 2007 14:56 GMT
>> If you are somewhere very cold then buy a cheap one that smells strongly
>> of alcohol and use a 25 or 33% mix.  Too much detergent and it will
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>After this it occurred to me just how much protection base coat only gives
>to the under bonnet areas?

This is why it's important that your valve covers leak a little bit, so
there will be a nice protective coat of oil on everything under the bonnet.
This is why MGs and Humberts last so long; the protective oil film.
--scott
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