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Car Forum / BMW Cars / December 2007

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JDReich - 25 Dec 2007 12:13 GMT
I just bought a 1995 540.  I new it had suspension problem when I got.  I am
trying to find out what it will take to fix it.  Drives like a dream untill
about 50 mph then the stearing shakes badly; then comes out of it and is fine
above that range.  I think two owners ago the car was lowered; however the
next owner put stock springs back on.   I am thinking that it is the
balljoints but I don't want to start replacing parts without having it pen
pointed.

Thanks  

JD
Bob Smitter - 25 Dec 2007 12:49 GMT
>I just bought a 1995 540.  I new it had suspension problem when I got.  I
>am
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> balljoints but I don't want to start replacing parts without having it pen
> pointed.

I am thinking it is the control arm bushings.  You'll have to get under and
see if the rubber is rotten, torn, cracked, or pulled loose.
Floyd Rogers - 25 Dec 2007 16:51 GMT
> "JDReich" <u40143@uwe> wrote:
>>I just bought a 1995 540.  I new it had suspension problem when I got.  I
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> and
> see if the rubber is rotten, torn, cracked, or pulled loose.

Uh, guys?  "Control arm bushings" and "ball joints" are synonymous.
(Although tie-rod ends also have ball joints/bushings.)

You should first carefully inspect the front tires for defects and
balance, and the rims looking for a bent one.  I have had shaking
of the front end caused by simply rotating rear tires to the front.  Tires
worn 50% or more should first be replaced (the front end of BMWs
can be upset by tire wear), and rotation should not be done, in general,
on these cars.

Only then should you start deeper repairs; and then the first thing
to do is replace the upper and lower control arm (bushings/ball joints),
as you have posited, and been affirmed by Bob.

FloydR
Jeff Strickland - 25 Dec 2007 18:38 GMT
>> "JDReich" <u40143@uwe> wrote:
>>>I just bought a 1995 540.  I new it had suspension problem when I got.  I
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> Uh, guys?  "Control arm bushings" and "ball joints" are synonymous.
> (Although tie-rod ends also have ball joints/bushings.)

Control arm bushings are the rubber grommets where the control arms are
atttached to the frame/body. Ball joints are where the tire assembly is
attached to the control arm. There are upper and lower ball joints, one each
at the top and bottom of the steering knuckle.

Control arm bushings and ball joints are not the same thing.
Floyd Rogers - 25 Dec 2007 20:26 GMT
> "Floyd Rogers" <fbloogyuds@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Uh, guys?  "Control arm bushings" and "ball joints" are synonymous.
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>
> Control arm bushings and ball joints are not the same thing.

I beg to differ.  The upper and lower control arms have ball joints
pressed into them.  That is what I am referring to.

FloydR
Jeff Strickland - 25 Dec 2007 20:31 GMT
>> "Floyd Rogers" <fbloogyuds@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Uh, guys?  "Control arm bushings" and "ball joints" are synonymous.
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>
> FloydR

Yes, they do. But they also have bushings where they are connected to the
frame. That's what the rest of us are referring to. Bushings and ball joints
are not the same thing.
Jeff Strickland - 25 Dec 2007 18:33 GMT
I would look at two things, wheel balance and control arm bushings. I would
not suspect bal joints, yet.

>I just bought a 1995 540.  I new it had suspension problem when I got.  I
>am
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>
> JD
Ulf - 25 Dec 2007 22:25 GMT
> I would look at two things, wheel balance and control arm bushings. I
> would not suspect bal joints, yet.

Agree. Shift front and rear wheels and see if there's a difference.
While the front wheels are off, check the hardness of the bushings using
a screwdriver.

>> I just bought a 1995 540.  I new it had suspension problem when I
>> got.  I am
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>>
>> JD

Ulf
R. Mark Clayton - 25 Dec 2007 22:13 GMT
>I just bought a 1995 540.  I new it had suspension problem when I got.  I
>am
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>
> JD

Damaged or underinflated tyres.
Wheel balance.
Track rod ends.
Other bits of steering geometry (depending on what it is).
Wheel bearings.
etc.
Jack - 27 Dec 2007 02:45 GMT
>I just bought a 1995 540.  I new it had suspension problem when I got.  I
>am
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>
> JD

I agree with Floyd.  Tires would be the first thing to check.
Some places will do a tire rotation for free.  It's an easy way to rule out
tires that have been worn into a cone shape by lowering the vehicle.

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