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2003 BMW 325i or 325xi ?? thoughts

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Ralph - 18 Feb 2008 16:38 GMT
Hello.

I am going to buy my first BMW.
I am going to buy a used 2003 model 325 next month.
I am considering two sedan models:  325i or 325xi.

All things being equal, the only differnece that I am aware of is the
all-wheel-drive of the xi vs the rear-wheel-drive of the i.

I will retain my 1993 Toyota SR5 p/u for winter snow driving (I live in the
Northeast; northshore area of Boston), so the BMW generally shouldn't be
driven in the snow.  But, that said, there may well be times when driving my
pickup isn't in the cards (i.e.: kids with me; on a date); which means the
BMW might see snow.

My question is really this:  how much sport driving enthusiams do I give up
if I get the xi; would it drive much different?

I wouldn't say I'm a huge drive like a race fan, but I also don't want to
sacrafice the supreme performance of the well known 325i for the sake of
better traction for a few days in the snow.

I realize that should I ever try to re-sell the car, the xi would be easier
to sell in the Northeast.

Last year I lived in Ireland for 7 months, and drove a Saab 9-3.  Liked it,
but didn't love it.  Now that I have the cash to buy a second vehicle, I
want a 4 door, absolute fun to drive, quality sedan.  The BMW from all
accounts is THE choice.  Always have wanted a BMW since I could reach a gas
pedal.

Thoughts?  Any and all welcome.

...   Ralph
R. Mark Clayton - 18 Feb 2008 18:25 GMT
If you live somewhere it snows a lot - buy the xi.
It will be slower and thirstier than the i, but will behave a lot better in
bad weather.
The xi may be more expensive to maintain, especially the drive train.

If it doesn't snow a lot buy the i, and borrow your brother-in-laws land
rover when you need it.

> Hello.
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> ...   Ralph
R. Mark Clayton - 20 Feb 2008 01:07 GMT
If you live somewhere it snows a lot - buy the xi.
It will be slower and thirstier than the i, but will behave a lot better in
bad weather.
The xi may be more expensive to maintain, especially the drive train.

If it doesn't snow a lot buy the i, and borrow your brother-in-laws land
rover when you need it.

> Hello.
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> ...   Ralph
Floyd Rogers - 20 Feb 2008 02:55 GMT
> I am considering two sedan models:  325i or 325xi.
> ...
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> My question is really this:  how much sport driving enthusiams do I give
> up if I get the xi; would it drive much different?

They drive almost identically.  The xi is a little slower, and you won't
have
the sport suspension.  I recommend getting a set of summer tires (on rims
similar to the 325i sport suspension 8x17 wheels with 225/45R17 tires)
and a set of winter tires.

The BMW with snow tires will run rings around the Toyota in the snow.
You will get about 1mpg less than the non-xi version.

FloydR '01 330xi
GT - 23 Feb 2008 22:47 GMT
> Hello.
>
> I am going to buy my first BMW.
> I am going to buy a used 2003 model 325 next month.
> I am considering two sedan models:  325i or 325xi.

I own a 2001 325 xi touring and I can tell you it isn't a sportscar at
all. The engine is rather small and you need to rev it up in order to
accelerate properly.
Behaviour on snow is very good.
The transmission doesn't make any more problems than a rear wheel
model. It's a reliable car.
Hope this helps.
G. Tarantino
2001 BMW 325 xi Touring (187,000 km)
Ralph - 24 Feb 2008 17:30 GMT
On Feb 18, 5:38 pm, "Ralph" <bazo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I am going to buy my first BMW.
> I am going to buy a used 2003 model 325 next month.
> I am considering two sedan models: 325i or 325xi.

I own a 2001 325 xi touring and I can tell you it isn't a sportscar at
all. The engine is rather small and you need to rev it up in order to
accelerate properly.
Behaviour on snow is very good.
The transmission doesn't make any more problems than a rear wheel
model. It's a reliable car.
Hope this helps.
G. Tarantino
2001 BMW 325 xi Touring (187,000 km)

G  ..   Actually this does help.  Thanks.  On the plus side I sort of like
the idea that the handling in the snow is good (I doubt I'll be able to keep
the 4x4 '93 Toyota p/u running forever).  And I do plan on keeping the 325
for many years.

It would be nice to have all things in a car, but you can't.  The BMW 325 is
a sports sedan, and does excellent justice to that.  But I'm not sure it
falls squarely in the genre of 'sportscar'.  The "M" badges, and the Z's
more fit that bill.

But an M badge, or a Z is not in my cards.  I'm getitng a 3 series.  Like I
said before, only 1 decision left, and that's either the i or the xi.

Back to your xi.

Do you feel you give up a lot, and I expect this to be relative, on handling
(cornering, hugging the road), or acceleration (off the line, through the
curves, passing), or full speed (top end), as compared to the "i" model.

Of those three parameters, the absolute least concern for me is outright
speed; as Annie Lexon once belted out "it don't give me such a thrill".
Hugging the road, and quickness do much more to quicken my pulse.

...   Ralph
Scott Dorsey - 23 Feb 2008 23:27 GMT
> Hello.
>
> I am going to buy my first BMW.
> I am going to buy a used 2003 model 325 next month.
> I am considering two sedan models: =A0325i or 325xi.

Buy the one that has the most carefully kept maintenance log.  If the
owner didn't keep a log at all, stay away.
--scott
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pltrgyst - 24 Feb 2008 02:40 GMT
>Buy the one that has the most carefully kept maintenance log.  If the
>owner didn't keep a log at all, stay away.

???

I've never kept a vehicle log in my life, and I'm as meticulous about vehicle
maintenance as anyone who's ever lived. And that includes 25+ years of SCCA
racing.

Logs are for the anal retentive with low IQs.

-- Larry (61 and my memory still functions...)
'01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
'02 Honda 919 (backup and commuter bike)
'84 Interceptor 500 (small emergency backup bike)
'95 Miata R, modified
'02 BMW 325i
'01 Caterham Superlight
'72 Elden FF
R. Mark Clayton - 24 Feb 2008 10:17 GMT
>>Buy the one that has the most carefully kept maintenance log.  If the
>>owner didn't keep a log at all, stay away.
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>
> Logs are for the anal retentive with low IQs.

Which is fine if you want to keep the car forever, but if you ever want to
sell it...

> -- Larry (61 and my memory still functions...)
> '01 Aprilia Mille SL Falco
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> '01 Caterham Superlight
> '72 Elden FF
Scott Dorsey - 24 Feb 2008 15:33 GMT
>>Buy the one that has the most carefully kept maintenance log.  If the
>>owner didn't keep a log at all, stay away.
>
>I've never kept a vehicle log in my life, and I'm as meticulous about vehicle
>maintenance as anyone who's ever lived. And that includes 25+ years of SCCA
>racing.

The log is partly about being meticulous, but mostly about being able to
show to someone else that you have been meticulous.

>Logs are for the anal retentive with low IQs.

Logs are for people who have premature failures and need to demonstrate
to the dealer that they really DID perform that maintenance on time.  Or
for people selling their cars.  Or for people who remember they changed
that wheel bearing some time in the mid-eighties but can't remember if it
was the left or right.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Dave Plowman (News) - 24 Feb 2008 16:58 GMT
> >Buy the one that has the most carefully kept maintenance log.  If the
> >owner didn't keep a log at all, stay away.

> ???

> I've never kept a vehicle log in my life, and I'm as meticulous about
> vehicle maintenance as anyone who's ever lived. And that includes 25+
> years of SCCA racing.

How do you know when routine things need doing - and were last done - if
you don't keep some form of log?

In the UK most use the service book for this. That and any receipts for
work done can make a big difference to the resale price. Certainly worth
the effort.

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Pete - 24 Feb 2008 18:54 GMT
> How do you know when routine things need doing

I bet he waits for the idiot light on the dashboard to tell him.

Pete
pltrgyst - 25 Feb 2008 03:48 GMT
>> How do you know when routine things need doing
>
>I bet he waits for the idiot light on the dashboard to tell him.

The only idiot light that has ever come on on any car I've owned is a single
Miata "air bag" light.

I simply do everything a lot more often than is required. It's an old racer's
habit; when you get used to doing tear-downs or 100% bolt-tightenings after
every race, ordinary maintenance is trivial.

-- Larry
Ralph - 24 Feb 2008 17:18 GMT
While I feel I should thank everyone for indulging me their valuable
opinions of vehicle maint logs, it behooves me to suggest that perhaps this
thread has digressed off the intended path.

And, it certainly suggest I might want to stay away from any questions of
vehicle maint logs.  A bit polarizing.

...   Ralph

>>Buy the one that has the most carefully kept maintenance log.  If the
>>owner didn't keep a log at all, stay away.
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> '01 Caterham Superlight
> '72 Elden FF
dizzy - 03 Mar 2008 00:09 GMT
>>Buy the one that has the most carefully kept maintenance log.  If the
>>owner didn't keep a log at all, stay away.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>maintenance as anyone who's ever lived. And that includes 25+ years of SCCA
>racing.

I don't keep them either.  If someone "stays away" from my vehicles
because I've no "log", it's their loss.  I don't need to "prove" that
I'm not an idiot who doesn't change his oil.

>Logs are for the anal retentive with low IQs.

Well, to each his own...

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