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Car Forum / BMW Cars / May 2008

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E30 Air conditioning

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Ron - 06 May 2008 01:15 GMT
Over the last several years, the air conditioning on my E30 has gotten
weaker and weaker. Now I can't tell if the air is any cooler at all with
it on. Is this likely to need only a refrigerant recharge?
Ron
Jim - 06 May 2008 02:31 GMT
> Over the last several years, the air conditioning on my E30 has gotten
> weaker and weaker. Now I can't tell if the air is any cooler at all with
> it on. Is this likely to need only a refrigerant recharge?
> Ron
Not exactly.
There is a leak somewhere.
The problem is finding the leak.
Having found the leak, you fix it.
It might happen that you lose all of the refrigerant while performing the
repair..
If that happens, you need a new drier in addition to the other parts.
Finally, you are ready for a recharge.

Of course, you could just recharge it again and again and again.  You will
eventually
get tired of buying more refrigerant though.

Jim
Scott Dorsey - 06 May 2008 14:40 GMT
>Over the last several years, the air conditioning on my E30 has gotten
>weaker and weaker. Now I can't tell if the air is any cooler at all with
>it on. Is this likely to need only a refrigerant recharge?

If you've run it down to THAT point, it probably needs at least a new
receiver-drier because it has air in the system now.  And almost certainly it
has a slow leak somewhere which caused the problem in the first place.
--scott
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Mike G - 06 May 2008 18:42 GMT
> Over the last several years, the air conditioning on my E30 has
> gotten
> weaker and weaker. Now I can't tell if the air is any cooler at
> all with
> it on. Is this likely to need only a refrigerant recharge?

That's all I'd have done if it were mine.
AIUI all a/c systems will eventually stop working through gas
leakage.
If yours has lasted a few years, the chances are that a proper
service, evacuation, and a refill wth gas and oil will have it
working again for at least a year or two.
Mike
Bob Smitter - 07 May 2008 02:30 GMT
>> Over the last several years, the air conditioning on my E30 has gotten
>> weaker and weaker. Now I can't tell if the air is any cooler at all with
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> evacuation, and a refill wth gas and oil will have it working again for at
> least a year or two.

You are overlooking one BIG thing here.  If this is an unmodified system,
it uses R-12 refrigerant.  The expense of keeping a a leaking system
full would be significant.  I would find it, fix it, and fill it.
Mike G - 07 May 2008 21:45 GMT
>>> Over the last several years, the air conditioning on my E30
>>> has gotten
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> full would be significant.  I would find it, fix it, and fill
> it.

I'm not overlooking anything. All car a/c systems leak. What
matters is how quickly they leak.
If the OP's system has only leaked over a period of years, the
chances are that all it needs is evacuation and a refill with gas
and oil.
Maybe it is an unmodified system, designed for R12 gas, but that
doesn't mean it can't be refilled with a suitable alternative.
R134a 'can' be used, but not at the same pressure as it is in a
R134a system.
Even if it only lasts for a year, it would still be cheaper than
the cost of converting an R12 system to R134a specifications.
In any case, asking to have it refilled with an alternative gas
is probably the easiest way to find out if the a/c is still
working, as any serious leak would show up in the process. It
would probably cost just as much to have an a/c engineer check
it.
Mike.

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