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Car Forum / BMW Cars / July 2008Central locking problem / question
I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the doors but not unlock them. And my doors will not lock or unlock the hatch. Any ideas? Thank you in advance to any and all suggestions. Glenn All of the locks on the car are operated through a mechanical action when they are operated locally (with the key). The key turns the lock and the latch is locked or unlocked. The lock mechanism strikes a switch depending on which way you twist the key. By your description, your doors work properly -- the other door locks or unlocks, as the case may be. Operating the other locks remotely is an electrical action. The key turns the lock, which strikes a switch to operate the remaining locks. By your description, both doors will lock or unlock the other door but never operate the hatch, and the hatch will operate the doors for one operation but not the other. My guess is, the hatch solenoid is not working because neither door will operate the hatch lock, and the hatch lock has one of two switches with a sticky linkage that affects the switch operation. A malfunctioning hatch lock will cause the doors to lock but not unlock, or vice versa. And the malfunctioning solenoid in the hatch will cause the hatch lock to not respond to the door locks. All of your problems are in the hatch. >I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the doors > but not unlock them. And my doors will not lock or unlock the hatch. Any [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Glenn >All of the locks on the car are operated through a mechanical action when >they are operated locally (with the key). The key turns the lock and the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Glenn Had similar problem on a Rover and it turned out to be a copper contact inside the lock itself that had got bent out of shape and would not register if the lock was "there" to be locked or opened or what the state was - open or locked. I simply bent it back and never had a problem with it for a further 3 years. Just a thought. or the wires going to the lock solenoid could be broken or disconnected?  SignatureSir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it. It looks like the answer is in my hatch and likely the locking mechanism. Cheers! Glenn > >All of the locks on the car are operated through a mechanical action when > >they are operated locally (with the key). The key turns the lock and the [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Just a thought. or the wires going to the lock solenoid could be broken or > disconnected? Thank you VERY much for the help. Now I know where to look. I can skin the hatch door myself and see if I can't "see" the problem or just change out the offending parts. Thanks again Glenn > All of the locks on the car are operated through a mechanical action when > they are operated locally (with the key). The key turns the lock and the [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > > > Glenn >I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the doors > but not unlock them. Probably a fault. > And my doors will not lock or unlock the hatch. Any ideas? Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors (correct operation). Turn lock to normal. > Thank you in advance to any and all suggestions. > > Glenn > Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors (correct > operation). Turn lock to normal. There's a good call. I forgot to mention that the hatch (trunk lid or boot on a sedan or coupe) can be locked so that it does not respond to the door locks. If the hatch lock is horizontal, then the hatch will lock and unlock with the doors, if the hatch lock is vertical, then it will operate by input from the doors. I know about the horizontal position as I now have to use it to keep it locked. I want it back to normal where it changes state with the door locks. Thanks again. Glenn > > Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors (correct > > operation). Turn lock to normal. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > lock is horizontal, then the hatch will lock and unlock with the doors, if > the hatch lock is vertical, then it will operate by input from the doors. >> Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors >> (correct operation). Turn lock to normal. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > the doors, if the hatch lock is vertical, then it will operate by > input from the doors. Ah - so you CAN bottom post - well done old chap! >>> Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors (correct >>> operation). Turn lock to normal. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > Ah - so you CAN bottom post - well done old chap! Of course I can bottom post, but my news reader defaults to posting on top, and when one can read the entire original post and my reply all in one screen, I see no reason to even care about top posting. I am a rude son of a bitch though, and it bothers me not to suggest that you are far too anal. Try posting something that is relevant, and I might change my position -- but I doubt it. >>>> Hatch door is deadlocked and so will not open with other doors >>>> (correct operation). Turn lock to normal. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > are far too anal. Try posting something that is relevant, and I might > change my position -- but I doubt it. Hmm - so why use Outlook express then - it is crap anyway Anyway, so while contained on one screen it is OK - but then it expands beyond that (yep - you may actually contribute something interesting yourself that promulgates further comment). What happens then - when the thread is all over the place? > Hmm - so why use Outlook express then - it is crap anyway > Anyway, so while contained on one screen it is OK - but then it expands > beyond that (yep - you may actually contribute something interesting > yourself that promulgates further comment). What happens then - when the > thread is all over the place? Well, when that happens, the common ettiquite is to continue posting the same way as everybody else, even if you think everybody else is wrong. And, why get on my case because I use OE? It makes far more sense to get on you for being anal retentive. > Of course I can bottom post, but my news reader defaults to posting on > top, Think there's a free app called Quotefix which fixes that fault and several others on OE. > and when one can read the entire original post and my reply all in > one screen, I see no reason to even care about top posting. You like to read the answer before the question? Do you write a letter like that? Or talk? > I am a rude > son of a bitch though, and it bothers me not to suggest that you are > far too anal. Try posting something that is relevant, and I might > change my position -- but I doubt it. Why are people who use OE so touchy? Signature*Did you ever notice when you blow in a dog's face he gets mad at you? * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> Of course I can bottom post, but my news reader defaults to posting on >> top, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Why are people who use OE so touchy? Almost by definition, they are idiots. And Jeffy sure ain't the exception. > You like to read the answer before the question? Do you write a letter > like that? Or talk? I read the post, then click Reply and start typing. I am blessed with a small amount of retention, and I can remember most of what I read and Reply without having to read it all over again. I don't need to read the post AFTER I click Reply because I read it before ... > > You like to read the answer before the question? Do you write a letter > > like that? Or talk? > I read the post, then click Reply and start typing. I am blessed with a > small amount of retention, and I can remember most of what I read and > Reply without having to read it all over again. I don't need to read > the post AFTER I click Reply because I read it before ... But you're not quoting posts for yourself only - it's for others to follow your points without referring back... Signature*The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> > You like to read the answer before the question? Do you write a letter >> > like that? Or talk? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But you're not quoting posts for yourself only - it's for others to follow > your points without referring back... That assumes others are not getting the same posts I am getting. My assumption is that everybody gets the same posts, and if ALL REPLIES are either top posted or bottom posted, following along is easy. When the Replies are mixed top and bottom, then it gets very ugly very fast. Personally, I don't care if the Replies are top posted or bottom posted, as long as all Replies are the same in any given thread. I can follow the pattern, and if you can't then maybe Usenet is not a place you should be visiting. >That assumes others are not getting the same posts I am getting. My >assumption is that everybody gets the same posts, and if ALL REPLIES are >either top posted or bottom posted, following along is easy. When the >Replies are mixed top and bottom, then it gets very ugly very fast. Not everybody gets the same posts you are getting, and they don't get them in the same order or with with same sequence numbers. There are 70,000 Usenet servers around the world and they are all configured a little differently and all get their feed a little differently. Top-posting is generally considered rude, in part because it was introduced by AOL bozos when AOL joined Usenet, but in part because it discourages proper trimming of replies. Remember that Usenet was developed in a world where bandwidth was much more expensive than it is today, and most of the Usenet traditions reflect that. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >> I read the post, then click Reply and start typing. I am blessed with > >> a small amount of retention, and I can remember most of what I read [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > But you're not quoting posts for yourself only - it's for others to > > follow your points without referring back... > That assumes others are not getting the same posts I am getting. Which isn't the case. Different news suppliers sometimes don't always send in the same order. And some may join a thread after the start. If you assume *everyone* is conversant with the previous posts and gets everything in the correct order quoting simply becomes a waste of time. > My > assumption is that everybody gets the same posts, and if ALL REPLIES are > either top posted or bottom posted, following along is easy. When the > Replies are mixed top and bottom, then it gets very ugly very fast. Two points. As I said if you need to refer to the previous stuff most read from top to bottom. In English, certainly. And if you wish to interleave points as I'm doing then there can only be one way of posting - ie old at the top new at the bottom. > Personally, I don't care if the Replies are top posted or bottom posted, > as long as all Replies are the same in any given thread. I can follow > the pattern, and if you can't then maybe Usenet is not a place you > should be visiting. Well, I've been around since it was a relatively slow and expensive medium. And the entire world still doesn't get free fast connections. The fact is MS chose to break the bottom posting convention with their newsreader - and I've no real idea why. Other than like in so much not really understanding or caring how their customers use things. It makes sense to top post for personal emails - after all you can assume the person reading it knows the previous content of your correspondence - and including a copy is just a courtesy, or can be omitted anyway. News groups ain't the same thing. Signature*Lottery: A tax on people who are bad at math. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. Good grief! Surely there is something BMW-related we can argue about instead of further beating the old, tired, long-dead horse about whether top- or bottom-posting is best for Usenet. The Real Answer, tools-based rendering in each user's preferred form, is not available. One of the tragedies of civilization is that we can't all have it our own way all the time. Unless you're willing to write the RFCs and build the tools to solve the problem (I am not--I can live with things as they are can care not which way you choose to post), please stop whining! OK, back to sleep again. SignatureJRE > I am a rude son of a bitch Stupid, and ignorant, too. How old is the Earth, again, Jeffy? Something around 10,000 years, you say? get a life or die ----- Original Message ----- From: "DCA" <dca860MAPS@yahooMAPS.co.uk> Newsgroups: alt.autos.bmw Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: Re: Central locking problem / question > frischmoutt wrote: > > Moderator ??? > > > Does it need one to be considerate? > It seems some do? <idiotic top-posting fixed> >From: "DCA" <dca860MAPS@yahooMAPS.co.uk> >> frischmoutt wrote: >> > Moderator ??? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >get a life or die QED. SignatureDan. I nominate.. > QED. Jeff for moderator. NTTAWWT. Top and bottom posted. Nobody ... >I nominate.. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Top and bottom posted. ... cares I know what the deadlock position is and its in the middle. This happens when its supposed to be "free" to lock or unlock. I now believe its in the lock area in the hatch so I will get in there and find it. Thank you for the reply. Glenn > >I have a 1995 BMW 318Ti and I need advise. My hatch will lock the doors > > but not unlock them. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Glenn Good luck. I took my driver side door lacth out because the window did not drop and raise properly, and found the defective switch. There are three switches on the door latches, my guess is there are two on the hatch latch. I'm not so interested in unlocking the doors from the trunk, but I like locking the doors from there, and unlocking the trunk from the door. One thing you might find is a broken wire in the bundle that passes between the body and the hatch. As you open and close the hatch, there is a wire bundle that flexes, and a flexed wire will eventually break. >I know what the deadlock position is and its in the middle. This happens > when its supposed to be "free" to lock or unlock. I now believe its in [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> > >> > Glenn > Good luck. > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >>> > >>> > Glenn Or perhaps not > Or perhaps not I can't help but notice that it is only important that I not top post, when others post on top and I merely follow the lead, you get in my face. What a jerk yo uare! >> Or perhaps not > > I can't help but notice that it is only important that I not top post, > when others post on top and I merely follow the lead, you get in my > face. What a jerk yo uare! Do I? oh dear - bless. >> Or perhaps not > >I can't help but notice that it is only important that I not top post, when >others post on top and I merely follow the lead, you get in my face. What a >jerk yo uare! I've seen you be far worse, Jeffy. It's a fact that you are a shameless liar, when "the occasion calls for it". >> Or perhaps not > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It seems I am not alone in finding you a complete cock! >>> Or perhaps not >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> It seems I am not alone in finding you a complete cock! You can't even post properly, and you have the nerve to get all over me for top posting. Please crawl back under your rock ... >>>> Or perhaps not >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Please crawl back under your rock ... Really? Oh - and my rock is bought and paid for - inside right now. A broken wire would be great. I'll look for that this weekend. Thanks a bunch. Glenn > Good luck. > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >> > > >> > Glenn TOP (illogical reading) - not related to Jeff Strickland are you > A broken wire would be great. I'll look for that this weekend. > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >>>>> Glenn >>>>> BOTTOM (logical reading) Moderator ??? > TOP (illogical reading) - not related to Jeff Strickland are you > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >>>>> > BOTTOM (logical reading) |
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