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Car Forum / BMW Cars / July 2008Considering a used BMW 530i V6
I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering extended warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with this series? Appreciate your help thanks > I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 You'll have to search extremely hard. No such thing.  Signature*Organized Crime Is Alive And Well; It's Called Auto Insurance. * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. I'm located in USA where this model is made available, http://www.carsdirect.com/used_cars/vehicle_detail/ul87747583/BMW/530I Thanks >> I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 > > You'll have to search extremely hard. No such thing. > I'm located in USA where this model is made available, > http://www.carsdirect.com/used_cars/vehicle_detail/ul87747583/BMW/530I > > Thanks What Dave was trying to say is that this engine is not a V6. It's an I6 (in-line 6). There is a mistake in that ad as well. Pete > I'm located in USA where this model is made available, > http://www.carsdirect.com/used_cars/vehicle_detail/ul87747583/BMW/530I > >> You'll have to search extremely hard. No such thing. Dave is commenting on the fact that no BMW ever made has ever had a V6. The car is being sold by a dealer that doesn't know that they are an I6 (Inline 6). I'd be wary of the dealer and sales staff. I'd be wary of anything about them. OTOE, the cars are excellent, the engine is bullet-proof, the auto transmission is ok. Many complaints about the I-Drive and Navy system. Many complaints about the styling; although new Honda Accords look almost identical to the 5-year old styling. Main thing is to check the maintenance records. BMW's "free" maintenance is "free" because it's very minimal and does not include differential, brake, transmission and coolant changes in most circumstances. It also includes oil changes only every 15K miles/1 Year. FloydR Thank you, appreciate your help >> I'm located in USA where this model is made available, >> http://www.carsdirect.com/used_cars/vehicle_detail/ul87747583/BMW/530I [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > FloydR > I'm located in USA where this model is made available, > http://www.carsdirect.com/used_cars/vehicle_detail/ul87747583/BMW/530I > Thanks > >> I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 > > > > You'll have to search extremely hard. No such thing. No - the ad is wrong. It has a straight six engine. BMW's 'trademark'. As regards aftermarket warranties my view is they are generally poor value for money with a low pay out to income ratio. One report I read reckoned on only 10% - which means you have a 10:1 chance of not even breaking even on the deal. Of course all insurance is a gamble but I prefer better odds than that. If you decide to go ahead read the exclusions carefully. If you can find details, that is. Ignore the banner headlines which tell you what they cover - you need to know what they don't. BMW offer a good warranty on their used cars but it is very expensive. Cheaper ones won't cover as well. Signature*There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. You may be in the USA and this accounts for you idiotic thinking that BMW would actually make a small number of V6 engines especially for you. WBANA73545CR57897 NA73 5 series E60 (body style) Saloon 530i M54 Engine - inline 6 dohc 3.0 ltr) USA L N 2004/12 (build date) This is the BMW spec of the car you gave the link to - obviously the dealer is also a fool. Hugh >I'm located in USA where this model is made available, >http://www.carsdirect.com/used_cars/vehicle_detail/ul87747583/BMW/530I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> You'll have to search extremely hard. No such thing. SignatureSir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK > You may be in the USA and this accounts for you idiotic > thinking that BMW would [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > obviously the dealer is > also a fool. More likely a simple mistake by whoever composed the details IMO. The engine picture is obviously that of a straight six. I can't see a dealer mistaking it for a V6. Mike. > I'm located in USA where this model is made available, > http://www.carsdirect.com/used_cars/vehicle_detail/ul87747583/BMW/530I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> You'll have to search extremely hard. No such thing. Sources for "pre-owned" BMW's in order of preference: CPO car from BMW dealer. The car has to pass a pretty thorough inspection to qualify and it gets a six-year, 100,000 mile warranty (the six years is from FIRST purchase date). Car's maintenance WILL be documented. Car from reputable private party, preferably found through BMWCCA or similar. Car's maintenance should be documented and it would be nice if it exceeded BMW requirements. PS. If the "owner" suggests you meet at a parking lot somewhere, run, don't walk away, from the deal. Car from major luxury brand dealership (Lexus, etc). They get nice trade-ins. Everything and everyone else. (this one qualifies.) This is where some really interesting machines (Salvage titles, flood damaged cars, etc) get turned over. Maybe, maybe not, but you'll never know. Does the car have maintenance records? It's coming due for Insp 1. R / John > Does the car have maintenance records? It's coming due for Insp 1. And since it's a 2005, this service (along with brake fluid flush and brake pads/rotors if needed) should be covered by the free 4 yr/50,000 car BMW maintenance. Tom K. >> Does the car have maintenance records? It's coming due for Insp 1. > > And since it's a 2005, this service (along with brake fluid flush and > brake pads/rotors if needed) should be covered by the free 4 yr/50,000 car > BMW maintenance. Good point. Fluid flush and refill for sure (every two years ... one if you suffer Freudian issues). Brakes are very much driving style and environmet independent. I've got 70K on my first set and there's still quite a bit left. R / John The inline six as in the BMW has an honored history. I'm not sure which marque introduced it first, but Roll Royce offered a seven liter six in its Silver Ghost, circa 1907. Chevy got on the bandwagon in 1929, BMW in 1933. Even Ferrari had an I-6 (the type 118 and 121 of 1955). The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates installation problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank must be well supported to avoid flexing. The V-6 is a more recent design. First introduced by Lancia in the Aurelia in 1950. Made its mark with the F-1 Ferrari Dino with Mike Hawthorn's championship season. Inherently unbalanced, it works best in a 60 or 120 degree configuration to minimize vibration (most modern V-6's use balance shafts to counteract vibration). The V-6 is compact, light and its popularity in auto use is only exceeded by the I-4 configuration. It's particularly advantagous in front wheel drive installations (Ala Camry and Accord). The I-6 is relatively rare in modern cars. Toyota had a nice one (Supra and the G-300), but rather than develop it, turned to the more compact V-6. It's been the signature engine for BMW for years, but with the demand for more and more power, has gradually been superceded by the V-8's (with an occasional V-12 and now V-10 at the top of the heap). R / John >The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The >run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been >equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates installation >problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank must >be well supported to avoid flexing. Back in the twenties and thirties there were some 8 and 12 cylinder inline designs used in performance cars. They resulted in a very, very long hood. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. > >The run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have > >been equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates > >installation problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and > >the long crank must be well supported to avoid flexing. > Back in the twenties and thirties there were some 8 and 12 cylinder > inline designs used in performance cars. They resulted in a very, very > long hood. --scott And ignition timing problems. ;-) Signature*Can fat people go skinny-dipping? Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> >The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. >> >The run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >And ignition timing problems. ;-) Sure, but that's not the half of it... imagine trying to synchronize six carbs.... --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." SNIP > Sure, but that's not the half of it... imagine trying to synchronize > six carbs.... And God created the unisyn/ R / John > >> >The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. > >> >The run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > >And ignition timing problems. ;-) > Sure, but that's not the half of it... imagine trying to synchronize > six carbs.... And you a sound engineer. You just match the hiss. ;-) Signature*No word in the English language rhymes with month, orange, silver,purple Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> >The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. >> >The run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> inline designs used in performance cars. They resulted in a very, very >> long hood. --scott Okay, I'll bite. I know of numerous I-8's, V-12's and V-16's. Who made an I-12? R / John >>The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The >>run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > designs used in performance cars. They resulted in a very, very long > hood. The inline eights persisted into the fifties in the U.S. with Packard and Pontiac building the last ones in 1954 (Buick replaced theirs with a V-8 after 1953). But never having heard of one before, I am curious about the inline twelves - who built them? Tom K. >The inline eights persisted into the fifties in the U.S. with Packard and >Pontiac building the last ones in 1954 (Buick replaced theirs with a V-8 >after 1953). But never having heard of one before, I am curious about the >inline twelves - who built them? I believe at least Hispano-Suiza made one. There were a bunch of early aircraft inline twelves too, including the Fiat A.30RA and the Daimler DB603. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >>The inline eights persisted into the fifties in the U.S. with Packard and >>Pontiac building the last ones in 1954 (Buick replaced theirs with a V-8 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > aircraft inline twelves too, including the Fiat A.30RA and the Daimler > DB603. The Hispano-Suiza J-12 model was powered by a V-12 and unlike the ones you mention, Hispano's aircraft 12 cylinder motors were also in a V configuration. Maybe you were thinking of the current Wartsila-Sulzer? http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ Tom K. >>>The inline eights persisted into the fifties in the U.S. with Packard and >>>Pontiac building the last ones in 1954 (Buick replaced theirs with a V-8 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ Have BMW ever experimented with a boxer alignment in a vehicle, other than a motorcycle, like Alfa Romeo? I drove a white '92 Alfa 33 QV for several years while working in Holland and enjoyed the car quite a lot. I had none of the infamous Alfa probems over a span of about 3.5 years. >Have BMW ever experimented with a boxer alignment in a vehicle, other >than a motorcycle, like Alfa Romeo? > >I drove a white '92 Alfa 33 QV for several years while working in >Holland and enjoyed the car quite a lot. I had none of the infamous >Alfa probems over a span of about 3.5 years. Well, there's flat engines and there's boxers but most flat engines actually aren't boxers. SignatureDan. >The Hispano-Suiza J-12 model was powered by a V-12 and unlike the ones you >mention, Hispano's aircraft 12 cylinder motors were also in a V [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://people.bath.ac.uk/ccsshb/12cyl/ I wasn't, but that is kind of cool. The marine guys are all into very big inline engines because after all they have the room for it. I have seen some big ones, but not anywhere NEAR that big. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The >run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been >equipped with an I-6. The disadvantage is length which creates installation >problems. They tend to be a bit heavier than a V-6 and the long crank must >be well supported to avoid flexing. Other advantages are cost and simplicity of layout. You can have those 6 nicely-balanced cylinders with only one cam drive, one set of camshafts, etc. Inlines are nice for the layout simplicity of all the intake on one side, all exhaust on the other side. The I6 is a great compromise because of it's inherent balance, and going any longer gets to be "too long" for mechanical-strength and packaging considerations (although longer inlines do exist in some huge-motor applications like mining equipment and ships). For these reasons, the I6 is extremely popular in earth-moving and farming equipment, and in "semi" truck engines. The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length, which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications. > The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length, > which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications. Although there have been at least 3 modern motorcycle applications of the transverse I-6 - the Benelli 750cc, Honda 1050 and Kawasaki 1300. Tom K. >> The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length, >> which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications. > >Although there have been at least 3 modern motorcycle applications of the >transverse I-6 - the Benelli 750cc, Honda 1050 and Kawasaki 1300. Ironically, fitting a long motor transversely may be easier with motorcycles than with cars. With motorcycles, there is no "hard limit" to how wide the motor can be. With cars, there's the shocks and wheel-wells there. Additionally, motorcycles are designed with the clutch and transmission completely behind the motor. With cars, the clutch and transmission are inline with the crankshaft, which is most efficient. >>> The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length, >>> which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > motorcycles than with cars. With motorcycles, there is no "hard > limit" to how wide the motor can be. Unless one is in one of the areas where lane splitting is legal! Tom K. >>The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The >>run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length, > which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications. Good points all. I even like the exhaust note of the I6, although when teamed with a second bank on the same crank (aka V-12), it really sings. V-8's don't really come into their own unless spun to about 19,000 RPM ;-) R / John >>>The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The >>>run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >R / John By which time there have thrown a couple of rods and dumped the oil on the floor - unless it's a BMW etc F1 engine. SignatureSir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK SNIP >>Good points all. I even like the exhaust note of the I6, although when >>teamed with a second bank on the same crank (aka V-12), it really sings. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > floor > - unless it's a BMW etc F1 engine. My point exactly. They were touching 20,000 RPM prior to the engine design limits imposed. R / John >>The I-6 has the inherent advantage of primary and secondary balance. The >>run smooth. Many of the great cars, and great racing cars, have been [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length, >which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications. Although BL did with the ill fated Princess line in the late 70s - early 80s Total crap but nice ideas. SignatureSir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK > >The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length, > >which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications. > Although BL did with the ill fated Princess line in the late 70s - early > 80s > Total crap but nice ideas. Volvo used the same idea. May still do. Signature*I don't have a solution, but I admire your problem. * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >>The I6 would be a lot more popular in cars were not for it's length, >>which makes it impractical to turn sideways for FWD applications. > >Although BL did with the ill fated Princess line in the late 70s - early 80s There are some exceptions, yes. Suzuki recently put in I6 in the Verona, for example, and Volvo has too, as Dave mentioned. >I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering extended >warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with this [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >thanks You'll have a bloody long wait to find one - BMW have never made a V6 - probably have but NEVER put it in a car. If you really want a V6 go for a Mercedes. SignatureSir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK >>I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering extended >>warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with this >>series? >You'll have a bloody long wait to find one - BMW have never made a V6 - >probably have but NEVER put it in a car. "A day late, and a dollar short" as they say on the left side of the pond. SignatureDan. >>>I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering extended >>>warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with this [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >"A day late, and a dollar short" as they say on the left side of the >pond. Not in fact because it didn't go when I sent it for some strange reason - I sent this when there were no other answers or replies as a tongue in cheek jokey response however when I shut down yesterday it told me that there was 1 item to post so I told it to send it and here it is a day late as you said but unintended. Hugh SignatureSir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the beta version ... the first one off the assembly line. Great car, great gas mileage ... 8 years old and 178K on it ... small repair list on the internet BMW history. Today ... I am having Computer Gremlin problems ... First idea is a wire loom problem, like maybe a mechanic somehow got in there with a screwdriver and screwed it up. Second idea is the ignition turn key is wearing out to give me a fault pattern that is mysterious in how it breaks the fuel pump, security system, stereo system ... and then fixes them the same way. Repeated ignition turns makes them re-boot the car computer, and the right tail light show fault on the dashboard, no problem. Next ignition turn the dash light is fine, but the rear light turn signal is out (flashes twice as fast) ... fix the bulb by moving the contacts. There is no more problems. Still waiting for permanent failure to fix what is broken ... as electrical faults that come and go are not fix able usually. Other then that ... great car ... good technology for the highway. Getting a ZAP car and going electric for in town. sumbuddie wear blind sea :) > I'm researching the used BMW market for a 530i V6 and considering extended > warranty. Any model years I should consider and any known problems with this [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > thanks >Repeated ignition turns makes them re-boot the car computer, and the right >tail light show fault on the dashboard, no problem. Next ignition turn the >dash light is fine, but the rear light turn signal is out (flashes twice as >fast) ... fix the bulb by moving the contacts. There is no more problems. So change the lamp socket. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." There's no such thing as a BMW 530i V6. It's an inline six, and it's a wonderful car. Your particular specimen has been clocking miles at the rate or 22,250 per year. This is a bit on the high side by all measures. I'd consider a different specimen. >I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the > beta version ... the first one off the assembly line. [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] >> >> thanks > There's no such thing as a BMW 530i V6. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I'd consider a different specimen. That is the 530iH which has a Honda V6. >>I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the >> beta version ... the first one off the assembly line. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] >>> >>> thanks >> There's no such thing as a BMW 530i V6. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >That is the 530iH which has a Honda V6. That actually might not be *such* a bad idea... SignatureDan. >> There's no such thing as a BMW 530i V6. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > That is the 530iH which has a Honda V6. Never heard of such a thing. Please tell me more. It is still a high mileage car though, and you can't get around that. >I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the > beta version ... the first one off the assembly line. Not really. 2000 was the last year of 528i production. In 2001 BMW introduced the 530i with more displacement and somewhat different technology for the valve gear. The 528i started rolling off the assembly line in 1996 (it was a 97 model in the US). "Beta" version of a car? Well, that's an inventive description. Actually, there are a number of test mules that do (literally) millions of miles before the first production car. Yours would not be one of these. Given it's 2008 and the E39s successor is getting old in the tooth, I wouldn't call it new technology. > Great car, great gas mileage ... 8 years old and 178K on it ... small > repair > list on the internet BMW history. True, true. Fairly high mileage for a 2000. > Today ... I am having Computer Gremlin problems ... > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Getting a ZAP car and going electric for in town. You might try cleaning the contacts of the tail light socket, insure there's no corrosion. I'd also check the battery charge and charging system, sometimes low voltage will lead to curious and non-repeatable problems with the various electronics in the car. R / John > I have a 2000 528i that I purchased for the new technology ... it is the > beta version ... the first one off the assembly line. What do you mean? My 528 is '97. Signature*Happiness is seeing your mother-in-law on a milk carton Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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