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Car Forum / BMW Cars / December 2008Re: hybrid battery thoughts
in article 23936-49557114-4124@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net, ds549@webtv.net at ds549@webtv.net wrote on 12/26/08 4:04 PM: > so if this idea were posible,rechargeing may be > alot faster than say the 8 hours for most electric cars. and the > capacitor may weigh alot less that the batteries we use today.. all batteries deteroriate ... they get old, they stop working. for example, having a battery shaped like a car body, need a new body every 4 years ... lets say ... when it wears out. capacitors are the same thing ... the more you use them, the more they go to poop. there are some people putting like 20,000 computer battery in a car, last 2 years ... really puts out ... good product ... just costs like $50,000 to replace every two years. so that the is engineering itch for everything ... heat kills it, use kills it, and it breaks, some real fast ... as they are used fast. slow battery charge, makes for slow battery death. battery sometimes have a 'sponge' memory .. and they never fully discharge, nor fully recharge ... as you can never squeeze them out enough. soooo eventually the battery is just fine, just will not fill up as there is no capacity to fill up from the sponge memory problem. the best way right now to make electicity for a hybrid .. is to put a solar panel on the sliding roof window for example ... and daylight keeps the passive fan going on so the inner car will not get hotter then outside temp ... which might be 108 degrees F ... but it is not 140 inside and the battery is hot to go. making fuel cells ... is a BIG RIP OFF ... making electicity into hydrogen to make into electricity ... When Governements do this hydrogen technology .. they are just doing an Enron up you a.s !!! just make the electricity and go direct to what you want. Toss away Solar panels ... and make a Tacheyon Field Generator .. to suck off the big bang energy field to make electricty 24 hours a day for what ever you want to use it for. fly airplanes, what ever you can put to work and spin off of ... sumbuddie wear blind sea :) >in article 23936-49557114-4124@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net, ds549@webtv.net >at ds549@webtv.net wrote on 12/26/08 4:04 PM: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >all batteries deteroriate ... they get old, they stop working. This is true. But, what makes batteries deteriorate is mostly abuse, and the thing about modern technology is that we now can have battery monitoring computers that make sure all cells are charged and discharged evenly and that no cells get overcharged or overdischarged. This _radically_ extends battery life. >capacitors are the same thing ... the more you use them, the more they go to >poop. No, capacitors are a totally different thing. Conventional electrostatic capacitors don't fail when they are used, all of the failure modes have to do with catastrophic damage. Electrolytic capacitors fail in a bunch of different ways, mostly related to heat or disuse but not to use. >there are some people putting like 20,000 computer battery in a car, last 2 >years ... really puts out ... good product ... just costs like $50,000 to >replace every two years. Who are these people? >slow battery charge, makes for slow battery death. This is for two reasons: first of all it means reduced heating and secondly it means with a conventional charging system the chances of overcharging are reduced. The second is no longer a big deal, but the first one still is. But the key to reducing heating problems is with lower series resistance batteries... in general the same technology required to get faster discharge is the same as the technology that gets faster charging. >battery sometimes have a 'sponge' memory .. and they never fully discharge, >nor fully recharge ... as you can never squeeze them out enough. This was the case for early NiCd packs, but it was ONLY an issue for NiCds and it has not been the case since the mid-1970s. You can read about the whole story in the Gates Battery Handbook. >the best way right now to make electicity for a hybrid .. is to put a solar >panel on the sliding roof window for example ... and daylight keeps the >passive fan going on so the inner car will not get hotter then outside temp >... which might be 108 degrees F ... but it is not 140 inside and the >battery is hot to go. Do the math. Even at 100% efficiency, solar cells don't give you very much current unless you have a huge area. And typical cells today are a lot less than 100% efficient.... 10% is optimistic. >making fuel cells ... is a BIG RIP OFF ... > >making electicity into hydrogen to make into electricity ... > >When Governements do this hydrogen technology .. they are just doing an >Enron up you a.s !!! No, it's not a ripoff, it is just an energy storage technology just like batteries, and what's interesting is that it gives you much higher energy density than batteries. Making electricity into hydrogen, putting it into a car, then turning it into electricity when needed allows you to put a lot more energy on board than putting it into a battery. Now, battery technology might improve, but right now fuels give you a whole lot more watts per pound. It's true that some people have been promoting hydrogen power as some sort of cure-all, as if it were an energy _source_ instead of an energy _storage medium_, but that's no reason to discount it completely. --scott  Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > Making electricity into hydrogen, putting it into > a car, then turning it into electricity when needed allows you to put a > lot more energy on board than putting it into a battery. well then ... why not just drain out the depleted 'electrolyte' and pour in newer charged electrolyte ... and go down the road for the next 500 miles or so. you talk like a person stuck in their toddler tantrum necessary so because of child abuse ... pouring the electricity into the work at hand is better then storing it the very expensive way as it has no waste ... by having the electricity make hydrogen that then makes electicity ... with waste every step of the way. tacheyon field generators work 24 hours a day ... as the energy is there 24 hours a day. >well then ... why not just drain out the depleted 'electrolyte' and pour in >newer charged electrolyte ... and go down the road for the next 500 miles or >so. Do you know what happens to anodes and cathodes during the charge/recharge cycle? Do you have *any* idea how a battery works? (apologies in advance to everyone else for taking the bait) SignatureDan. > Do you know what happens to anodes and cathodes during the > charge/recharge cycle? Do you have *any* idea how a battery works? > > (apologies in advance to everyone else for taking the bait) it is a chemical process Dan ... as I am sure you are well aware of. in Lead Acid Battery ... there is a white coating on the lead plates, much like the brown crust that is one baked bread. Every time the battery charges and discharges ... that 'crust' comes off and settles down to the bottom of the battery. When that crust is all gone, the battery will not work anymore. They have it down to an exact science now ... a 48 month battery will be dead by 48 months and 2 weeks almost always. try to do something about your toddler tantrum, it was not handled well in your childhood by your parent objects ... much like the Mark of Cain there is one up - one down stuff you got going on talking to people. Oh ... you are soooo pretty and I am sooo ugly I have to kill you so that God will say I am the fairest one of them all and have to love meeee !!1 it goes some thing like that ... and there is Jonestown with the Koolaid Christians and the Gas Chamber Jews. Such is the toddler tantrum ... as it foxing wants to kill something ... hope that is a help to you. I am not interested in fighting with you ... but you go ahead with out me. sumbuddie wear blind sea :) >I am not interested in fighting with you ... but you go ahead with out me. No thanks, I just wanted to see what your explanation would be of how a battery works. "Brown crust," eh? Very scientific... That's it from me, carry on. SignatureDan. >in article gj44jm$qeu$1@panix2.panix.com, Scott Dorsey at kludge@panix.com >> Making electricity into hydrogen, putting it into [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >newer charged electrolyte ... and go down the road for the next 500 miles or >so. For the same reason that changing the tires is not a replacement for filling the tank up with gasoline. >you talk like a person stuck in their toddler tantrum necessary so because >of child abuse ... And you talk like someone who has no concept how any of this stuff works, and what is dangerous is that someone might actually believe you. >pouring the electricity into the work at hand is better then storing it the >very expensive way as it has no waste ... by having the electricity make >hydrogen that then makes electicity ... with waste every step of the way. You really need to get a copy of the Gates Battery Handbook and read it over. It will give you some basic information about elementary electrochemistry. >tacheyon field generators work 24 hours a day ... Made-up technology isn't generally very effective, though. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >> tacheyon field generators work 24 hours a day ... > > Made-up technology isn't generally very effective, though flat earth people do not understand round earth concepts I am sorry to say. > >> tacheyon field generators work 24 hours a day ... > > > > Made-up technology isn't generally very effective, though > flat earth people do not understand round earth concepts I am sorry to > say. At least they're familiar enough with their technology to know how to spell it. Signature*Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it.* Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. If it had been 1 Apr I might have believed it... On the other hand I like the idea of "tacheyon (sic) field generators work(ing) 24 hours a day"... Maybe it could inspire more work on the perpetual motion machine. DAS SignatureTo send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling" --- [...] > At least they're familiar enough with their technology to know how to > spell it. > On the other hand I like the idea of "tacheyon (sic) field generators > work(ing) 24 hours a day"... Good for you Dori .. the energy from the big bang is always there, just turn on the tee vee or radio ... that hisspopscratch or 'white noise' ... is energy, is a tranmission of energy. when you get to the part of the radio frequency band that is 'silent' it is receiving a signal to 'be quiet' ... another energy transmission. like wise in receiving 'music' on the radio, is an energy transmission that is being captured and used. just have to tap into it ... this energy stream of white noise that is across the electromagnetic bandwidth ... that is going on into entrophy as it passes us by. this is happening as it is where all the light gets suck up by the so called dark matter of the universe ... after awhile all the lights will go out, no more stars, no more galaxy ... no more universe as we see it. It will all be dark and very cold and no more white noise !!! The dark matter changes to silver plasma like consistency ... after sucking up all the light energy that is going into entrophy as you read this. Really more like a hydrogen cycle that makes rain into oceans and then into rain again. Well this is a light cycle between dark matter and star stuff. That silver plasma that exists at this future time as it were,that was dark energy seperated from star stuff energy by space/distance ... just to united again when all the stars die off. Well that silver plasma freezes solid from the cold ... and enters into a homogenious balance ... this is the "Unified Field" were all forces of physics are one. The so called Unifed Field Theory. However this is a temporary condition ... this frozen solid plasma. As it gets colder still ... well past absolute zero. Cold is the natural state of the Universe. Anyhow ... Then it cracks, the Unifed Field frozen solid plasma ... there is a big bang .. and the universe is born again with stars and such. Edison captured light in a bottle and made the light bulb ... simply because he could see the light ... it was there .. it was self evident .. it was apparent. The 'white noise, is there, is self evident, is apparent. This is an energy source that is there 24 hours a day. Can always have electricity 24 hours a day ... just build it ... and plug in what you want. Unlimited resource, used anywhere where cosmic energy passes by. Here, the moon, Afghanistan, under water ... hummmm maybe dicey there ... sumbuddie wear blind sea :) Goodness me... Let's just say you did a 'Sun' on me by lifting my words out of context... but you are in good company: London theatres do the same thing when quoting critics... But I like your bit about "...well past absolute zero..." I do think if you clean up your spelling ("entrophy", "tacheyon") and the grammar etc, you could do a book of poetry... Happy New Year, all. DAS To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling" --- > in article qKadnWsxbLtVxMTUnZ2dnUVZ8rmdnZ2d@pipex.net, Dori A > Schmetterling [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > :) WOW !!!! I want some of what you're on ... and I want some of that silver plasma - d'ya think it'll keep ok in the fridge? keep on keepin' on ... Dr D "Putting the sensual into non-consensual sex" > in article qKadnWsxbLtVxMTUnZ2dnUVZ8rmdnZ2d@pipex.net, Dori A > Schmetterling [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > :) just punch your ticket for a near death experience ... hard on the body, but worth the trip ... and it is like Signory Weaver going to the refigerator light tied down on the moving chair ... a little scary ... but a real fun ride after it is over. sumbuddie wear blind sea > WOW !!!! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > "Putting the sensual into non-consensual sex" >> there are some people putting like 20,000 computer battery in a car, last 2 >> years ... really puts out ... good product ... just costs like $50,000 to >> replace every two years. > > Who are these people? California people ... fruit and nuts all ... been doing Propane/NG powered cars and trucks for the past 40 years over here. California people are JUST OUT OF STEP with the rest of US. >>> there are some people putting like 20,000 computer battery in a car, last 2 >>> years ... really puts out ... good product ... just costs like $50,000 to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >California people are JUST OUT OF STEP with the rest of US. I just checked your Usenet Participation Waiver. You have apparently failed to provide information about who to contact in case of emergency or incapacitation. > I just checked your Usenet Participation Waiver. You have apparently > failed to provide information about who to contact in case of > emergency or incapacitation. I don't have any ICE people in my life (In Case of Emergency people). They are all bible tumpers stuck in their toddler tantrum, a natural result of child abuse ... and they will try to force Jesus down my throat while I am dying if in their presence. Sooooo ... no ICE people in my life ... I am an orphan of sorts. sumbuddie wear blind sea :) >>> there are some people putting like 20,000 computer battery in a car, last 2 >>> years ... really puts out ... good product ... just costs like $50,000 to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >California people ... fruit and nuts all ... been doing Propane/NG powered >cars and trucks for the past 40 years over here. Strange. I know someone in California and he never tried to run his car off computer batteries. And what does propane power have to do with anything? >California people are JUST OUT OF STEP with the rest of US. I'd still like a reference for your assertion, please. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Funnily enough there is talk about placing Tesla field coils around London to recharge electric cars. Now with a big enough capacitor who needs a battery! >in article 23936-49557114-4124@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net, ds549@webtv.net >at ds549@webtv.net wrote on 12/26/08 4:04 PM: [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >:) SignatureSir Hugh of Bognor The difference between men and boys is the price of their toys. Intelligence is not knowing the answer but knowing where and how to find it! Hugh Gundersen hsg@h-gee.co.uk Bognor Regis, W.Sussex, England, UK |
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