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Car Forum / BMW Cars / February 2009

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E36 1992 320i - intermittent failure to start, any ideas?

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Spack - 16 Jan 2009 11:24 GMT
I've got a 1992 E36 320i, and last night it failed to start. It did this a
few times last year (it's been about 4 months since it last happened, 4
times in total now in 7 months) when I first had it and I'd thought I'd
rectified it, but it's not reproducible so I thought I'd ask here in case
anyone else has had a similar problem and found the cause. When it happens
the engine won't fire, the starter is turning over but that's it. A friend
of mine last year suggested that it might be the fuel relay as it didn't
sound like the fuel pump was running - I've replaced this, and the system
relay, and I thought that had cured it. It's easy to get the car to start
when it does happen though - I just disconnect and reconnect the battery,
and the car will start normally straight away. I'm assuming this means that
a relay is the likely cause, but I was wondering if anyone could suggest
which relay might be the culprit rather than me replacing all of them one by
one - and as the issue isn't easily reproduced I won't know if replacing a
relay fixes the problem as it might be months before it happens again. Being
a 1992 model this does have an unload relay behind the glove box (the 1993 I
used to have didn't have this particular relay, and the Bentley manual shows
a different wiring diagram between the 1992 and 1993 models), could that be
the culprit?

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Spack - 16 Jan 2009 11:29 GMT
Something else I forgot to mention - this car did have an immobiliser/alarm
but I had it removed in case that was the problem the second time it
happened, so it's not that causing the problem as the wiring was reconnected
back to it's original layout after removal.

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Alan B. Mac Farlane - 17 Jan 2009 14:04 GMT
> but I was wondering if anyone could suggest
> which relay might be the culprit rather than me replacing all of them one by
> one

tis an electrical problem ... just trace it out battery to ground.

battery is up and hot, all cells working and tested.

then test the battery hookup ... is there connectivity ... the ohm meter
will tell you that.

then trace down the ignition system ... and test each one ... the one that
fails is the one that is broken ... and then carry on with the battery to
ground testing .. .just trace the wires one by one on down to the end.

turn the key and then it will start up and run better to the next default if
any.

good idea to get a BMW certified mechanic to do it faster easier better and
cheaper then you ... unless you have a lot of time to Dx your self and want
to take your time.

my guess is just as good as yours sight unseen sorry to say.

:)
Spack - 19 Jan 2009 14:14 GMT
Alan wrote  on Sat, 17 Jan 2009 06:04:52 -0800:

>> but I was wondering if anyone could suggest which relay might be the
>> culprit rather than me replacing all of them one by one

> tis an electrical problem ... just trace it out battery to ground.

> battery is up and hot, all cells working and tested.

> then test the battery hookup ... is there connectivity ... the ohm
> meter will tell you that.

> then trace down the ignition system ... and test each one ... the one
> that fails is the one that is broken ... and then carry on with the
> battery to ground testing .. .just trace the wires one by one on down
> to the end.

> turn the key and then it will start up and run better to the next
> default if any.

> good idea to get a BMW certified mechanic to do it faster easier better
> and cheaper then you ... unless you have a lot of time to Dx your self
> and want to take your time.

> my guess is just as good as yours sight unseen sorry to say.

> :)

If the issue was reproducible then I could do that - but it's not. It might
be months before it happens again, if it ever does, so digging around with a
meter is not going to help when it's starting fine. The reason for me
posting was to see if anyone else had seen the same thing occurring and had
a possible solution although I realise I didn't actually ask that question
in my post.

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cosmo - 01 Feb 2009 08:24 GMT
My '88 325 did this. Intermittent, then increasingly more unreliable
and finally died. Tested, found the bad one (fuel pump), sawed the
package open with a pocket knife, sandpapered the contacts, squeezed
them together a bit and drove home. Then I replaced all three relays
for about $30. (www.BavAuto.com  Bentley's tells you how to test the
relay; apply 12v to the "primary" side and check for continuity on the
"secondary" side. Haven't had a moment of trouble since replacement.
Good luck.

>I've got a 1992 E36 320i, and last night it failed to start. It did this a
>few times last year (it's been about 4 months since it last happened, 4
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>a different wiring diagram between the 1992 and 1993 models), could that be
>the culprit?
 
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