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while the economy is going down the drain right now. That being said is it a good idea to buy a new car? I do like the 2009 BMW 1 Series http://ibmwblog.com/2009-bmw-1-series/ how about you think? On Jan 22, 8:29 pm, "nedu....@gmail.com" <nedu....@gmail.com> wrote: > while the economy is going down the drain right now. That being said > is it a good idea to buy a new car? I do like the 2009 BMW 1 Serieshttp://ibmwblog.com/2009-bmw-1-series/ > how about you think? The 1 series was designed or modeled after the old 2002 model which was an affordable 4 cylinder. If BMW wants to attract new younger lifelong consumers, they need to drop a solid 4 banger in the 1 series; then we will see more of them on the road and BMW will win new clients once they get addicted to the quality of the brand. My dad priced a 1 series and the total came to $44K plus. He is keeping his mint condition 1994 3 series. > On Jan 22, 8:29 pm, "nedu....@gmail.com" <nedu....@gmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > priced a 1 series and the total came to $44K plus. He is keeping his > mint condition 1994 3 series. Where are you located? BMW does sell the 1 Series with 4 cylinder engines in both gas and diesel in just about every market around the world! Of course, if you're in the US, then you're out of luck. I agree that BMW prices are outrageous, especially in these hard economic times, but hey, BMWNA wants buyers to believe its a "luxury" brand and people are suppose to only pay top dollar. Good Luck With That! > On Jan 23, 7:19 am, carguygarrett <carguygarr...@gmail.com> wrote: > On > Jan 22, 8:29 pm, "nedu....@gmail.com" <nedu....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > times, but hey, BMWNA wants buyers to believe its a "luxury" brand and > people are suppose to only pay top dollar. Good Luck With That! I think I speak for at least a few potential buyers when I say that the lack of 4-bangers in the US is pretty annoying. I'll hold onto my '91 E30 318i 'till the wheels fall off. Then what? If I'm lucky enough to be in a position to afford a fairly new bimmer, I won't have any 4-bangers to choose from. Ack! >The 1 series was designed or modeled after the old 2002 model which >was an affordable 4 cylinder. If BMW wants to attract new younger >lifelong consumers, they need to drop a solid 4 banger in the 1 >series; then we will see more of them on the road and BMW will win new >clients once they get addicted to the quality of the brand. I agree, but I will point out that compared with the 2002, the 1 series is actually a pretty big car. It's almost as big as the 3 series, and the current 3 series is as big as my E28. If you want performance, economy, and reduced purchase price, reduce the size of the car. >My dad >priced a 1 series and the total came to $44K plus. He is keeping his >mint condition 1994 3 series. Yes, but you'll also note that $44k comes with a billion "standard options" which you cannot remove from the package in the US. That's even more of a killer to my mind. --scott  Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >The 1 series was designed or modeled after the old 2002 model which > >was an affordable 4 cylinder. If BMW wants to attract new younger [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > -- > "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." I drive an attractive e28 as well--an '88 528e with over 250,000 miles (it has more--just not certain how many as I have not yet fixed the broken odometer). I have owned several BMWs all others newer than this one. My e28 has been a solid performer and people often comment on how much room it has on the inside. As much as I like newer BMW models, I must say this has been a reliable and fun daily driver. I bought it for $3,100 in 2006 and it blends in to the car culture here in Phoenix. It is well-liked by the parking valets in Scottsdale--as it seems to end up near the key board and front door whenever I come out of restaurants to get my car. Certainly they must know something or just like it because it's fun, older, rare, and respected by most car people. >I drive an attractive e28 as well--an '88 528e with over 250,000 miles >(it has more--just not certain how many as I have not yet fixed the >broken odometer). Let me offhandedly recommend the guys at odometergears.com. I had a gear failure a couple years ago, and it took me less than an hour to swap all of the delrin gears out with his replacements. Well worth it just so I know when to do scheduled maintenance. >I have owned several BMWs all others newer than this >one. My e28 has been a solid performer and people often comment on how [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >just like it because it's fun, older, rare, and respected by most car >people. It's a fun car, and I enjoy the hell out of mine even though it clearly had been abused by the first owner... after ten years and a couple hundred thousand miles that I have put on it, I am still finding interesting "repair" work here and there. But it's a fun car to drive, and it makes me smile. My objection with most of the newer BMW models is that they don't make me smile any more. The 135, though... that made me smile a whole lot when I drove it. It's a big car still... but because it's a big car it should have a place in the American market and I don't know why BMW NA isn't picking it up. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >The 135, though... that made me smile a whole lot >when I drove it. It's a big car still... but because it's a big car >it should have a place in the American market and I don't know why BMW NA >isn't picking it up. Eh? The 135 is available in the US. I agree that it's too big, though, as is the 3, IMO. As much as the car magazines drool about how cars like the new M3 "hide" their weight, the sedan is 3700 pounds going down the road. The convertible is over 4100 pounds. That's never going to feel light and nimble. Hell, I always felt my Supra TT was somewhat lardy at 3500 pounds. The weight is understandable, considering it's an open-top car and shares it "brick shithouse" platform with the Lexus SC of that era. Understandable, but still too heavy for a proper "sports car". Where's the weight going in these new cars? I few more air bags, but they don't weigh that much... >On Jan 22, 8:29 pm, "nedu....@gmail.com" <nedu....@gmail.com> wrote: >> while the economy is going down the drain right now. That being said [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >priced a 1 series and the total came to $44K plus. He is keeping his >mint condition 1994 3 series. That is what I have heard from my friend about the 1-series. Price is not a differentiator from the 3-series, so then, what is the differentiator? Why would someone choose a 1-series instead of a 3-series? (btw, my friend wound up buying neither) >>On Jan 22, 8:29 pm, "nedu....@gmail.com" <nedu....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> while the economy is going down the drain right now. That being said [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Why would someone choose a 1-series instead of a 3-series? In the U.S. the 1 coupes start at under $31,000 including delivery and list for $7,000 less than the 3 coupes - the differential rises to over $10,000 for the convertibles. While the 1 is only about 6" shorter than the 3, the 1 series weighs 200~300lbs. less than the comparable 3 series models. My 128i convertible has a bit more room for the driver than my E46 sedan, more supportive sport seats, outhandles the E46, and offers an equally comfortable ride, even with the stock run-flats. Tom >> Why would someone choose a 1-series instead of a 3-series? Beats me. >In the U.S. the 1 coupes start at under $31,000 including delivery and list >for $7,000 less than the 3 coupes - the differential rises to over $10,000 >for the convertibles. While the 1 is only about 6" shorter than the 3, the >1 series weighs 200~300lbs. less than the comparable 3 series models. Only 100 pounds, comparing the 128 to the 328 coupe. >My 128i convertible has a bit more room for the driver than my E46 sedan, >more supportive sport seats, outhandles the E46, and offers an equally >comfortable ride, even with the stock run-flats. Outhandles? Pretty damn comparable. >>> Why would someone choose a 1-series instead of a 3-series? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Only 100 pounds, comparing the 128 to the 328 coupe. You're only half right. According to BMWNA, the weights for a MT coupe are: 128i - 3252, 328i - 3351 135i - 3351, 335i - 3571 (I wonder why the 335i is so porky!) >>My 128i convertible has a bit more room for the driver than my E46 sedan, >>more supportive sport seats, outhandles the E46, and offers an equally >>comfortable ride, even with the stock run-flats. > > Outhandles? Pretty damn comparable. I'm driving both & stand by my statement. Also, while R&T had recorded a skidpad figure of around .83g for their first test of an (SP equipped) E46, the 1 series tests out at from .86 to .91 (128i 'vert, 135i coupe). Tom |
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