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Car Forum / BMW Cars / February 2009BMW 525D
A friend is looking at a 2002 525D Touring auto with 118K on the clock. Anything in particular to look out for? Any lurking horror stories? The only thing he's mentioned is some inside edge tyre wear, but the last service picked this up and mentions a worn track-rod end, and the price sounds OK taking this into account. > A friend is looking at a 2002 525D Touring auto with 118K on the clock. > Anything in particular to look out for? Any lurking horror stories? > > The only thing he's mentioned is some inside edge tyre wear, but the > last service picked this up and mentions a worn track-rod end, and the > price sounds OK taking this into account. The 500 series is a nice ride .. with the 2000 or better model you have all the new technology in there for gas mileage and the like. There is a computer printout of all the BMW certified mechanic repairs done to the car ... get it and see what the history is. When purchased .. new tires, new brakes, and new oxygen sensor ... keep up the schedule repairs and maintenance. Likely do just fine over time. Water pump will need replacement in 30K miles likely .. but I would suspect that would be it. sumbuddie hopes this helps :? > A friend is looking at a 2002 525D Touring auto with 118K on the clock. > Anything in particular to look out for? Suspension knocks. These cars are hard on front wishbone bushes.  SignatureConor I only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow isn't looking good either. - Scott Adams >> Anything in particular to look out for? > > Suspension knocks. These cars are hard on front wishbone bushes. i suspect all beamers are hard on the front end by design ... tears up tires and they rest on the rear to swap them out for length of service ... I think I get 30k miles out of a 40k tire when the 528 starts 'talking' with noises ... indicating that the tires are to worn to use on the vehicle dispite the wear tread indicators not yet showing ... get more height with more rubber on the road is the only fix. tires are just fine, just not in a useable condition for this car I am sorry to say. so baby gets new shoes. some people drop their tire dimes and like a real aggressive tread and a tuff tire because of that ... does tend to growlroll along that way when the window is down is a real problem .. but the tires are tuff matched to BMW requirements that way.. i run Continentals that are smoother and grip just as well .. however they are at the same mercy of getting the hard end of it on the front end as discussed above. do the maintance and get the performance for the mileage ... sometimes it is one of those pennywise dollarfoolish connundrums when it gets used. at 20-30 years, the plastic parts go poop, electic issues are on the front then as they are in all cars and usually have to trash them at that time. volkswagen however ... today you can still get bug parts out of Brazil and other places with that aircooled engine of theirs and keep it on the road, even volkswagen in time loses its bushes. having to use a BMW certified mechanic and get this sorted out right, only costs the same as any other certified ford or rolls royce mechanic ... at least here in California that is the way of it. Hours on repair and charges are set hard in the book ... it costs the same for every 5 hour water pump change out if you like. even if it takes them 10 hours to do it. With BMWs I just pay a bit more to buy high end parts, synthetic oil, and other racing part magic stuff they got going. So it is only a bit more actually. An oil change is an oil change. Sometimes have one every month if you live under a volcano. sumbuddie wear blind sea >>> Anything in particular to look out for? >> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > sumbuddie wear blind sea Is anyone able to translate this into English for me please? TIA Chris SignatureRemove prejudice to reply. >On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:15:29 -0800, Alan B. Mac Farlane wrote <crap snipped> >Is anyone able to translate this into English for me please? > >TIA Just killfile him. He's a loon, and you won't be missing anything. The sooner everyone does that, the sooner we won't need to see replies like yours, especially ones that quote the whole original post... SignatureDan. >> On Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:15:29 -0800, Alan B. Mac Farlane wrote > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > The sooner everyone does that, the sooner we won't need to see replies > like yours, especially ones that quote the whole original post... hey ... guess who gots loon disease now TIA ??? and it is a "we" you are talking to I hope you notice in the Dan ... not one person in there ... you gots a bunch of em to talk to !!! great family fun and the kids love it. :) [...] > Just killfile him. He's a loon, and you won't be missing anything. The > sooner everyone does that, the sooner we won't need to see replies like > yours, especially ones that quote the whole original post... What sense would it have made if I had just posted the sentence "Is anyone able to translate this into English for me" if I *hadn't* included the complete original text? Chris SignatureRemove prejudice to reply. >[...] >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >anyone able to translate this into English for me" if I *hadn't* included >the complete original text? You could have snipped the bulk of it, leaving just a phrase or two to illustrate your point. The "complete original text," especially when it's lengthy, is not normally needed in order to make an effective point, or ask a question. Just a suggestion... SignatureDan. > [...] >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Chris hey good one ... try logic to a Bush League Thunker having a Stragetery meeting to chenny it up the arse. >>>> Anything in particular to look out for? >>> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > TIA Nope, makes little sense here either. Although this bit "I think I get 30k miles out of a 40k tire when the 528 starts 'talking' with noises" - made me sad. Anyone who drives so gently that they can get 30k out of a set of tyres on a 528, should be in a Prius... Of course, there's a good chance US and UK BMW 5's have different spec parts anyway, so without actually knowing if that's the case, and if it is, what is and isn't the same it's all a bit of a waste of words anyway. Still, no harm in leaving it all in anyway is there :-) SignatureDan <empty parking space> >> i suspect all beamers are hard on the front end by design ... > > Is anyone able to translate this into English for me please? For starters (in the U.S.), a "bimmer" is a BMW car and a "beemer" is a BMW motorcycle. As one who is lucky enough to own both, I guess I'm a "beamer" - especially since modern beemers aren't hard at all on their front ends. For the rest of his post, I'm afraid you're on your own - good luck! Tom >>> i suspect all beamers are hard on the front end by design ... >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > For the rest of his post, I'm afraid you're on your own - good luck! As for the 40K tyres, don't 'tires' in the US have to *guarantee* a mileage, and hence get made from something not entirely unlike hardened teflon? PCPaul <urd3@bitrot.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > As for the 40K tyres, don't 'tires' in the US have to *guarantee* a > mileage, and hence get made from something not entirely unlike hardened > teflon? Don't forget, there's precisely three roundabouts in the entirety of the US, and not that many more bends in the road. > PCPaul <urd3@bitrot.co.uk> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were > saying: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Don't forget, there's precisely three roundabouts in the entirety of the > US, and not that many more bends in the road. Although we've employed them to confuse out of towners in Washington, DC for a couple of centuries, we're now starting to see many roundabouts (we call them "traffic circles") at rural intersections and sometimes in suburban neighborhoods. Their purpose along with the ubiquitous "speed bumps", is usually to promote slower vehicle speeds (so called traffic calming). Tom "tom_k" <tkorth1@comcast.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: >> Don't forget, there's precisely three roundabouts in the entirety of >> the US, and not that many more bends in the road. > Although we've employed them to confuse out of towners in Washington, DC > for a couple of centuries, we're now starting to see many roundabouts > (we call them "traffic circles") at rural intersections and sometimes in > suburban neighborhoods. Their purpose along with the ubiquitous "speed > bumps", is usually to promote slower vehicle speeds (so called traffic > calming). Odd. The purpose of roundabouts here is to enable traffic to flow better. Or were you referring to bends in the road? > "tom_k" <tkorth1@comcast.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they > were saying: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Or were you referring to bends in the road? Nope, when we want traffic to flow better, we often widen the road to 6 lanes, straighten it, slap a 30 mph (50 kph) limit on it, install speed cameras, mail out the speeding tickets and wait for the money to flow in. This is done in the name of safety but it is really fund raising for the state or municipality. Seriously though, some of the rural intersections where traffic circles have replaced stop signs are now much easier to negotiate and are a great deal safer. Tom "tom_k" <tkorth1@comcast.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Nope, when we want traffic to flow better, we often widen the road to 6 > lanes, straighten it, slap a 30 mph (50 kph) limit on it, install speed > cameras, mail out the speeding tickets and wait for the money to flow > in. This is done in the name of safety but it is really fund raising for > the state or municipality. Dunno about 6 lanes, but the rest of it you learned from us... >Although we've employed them to confuse out of towners in Washington, DC for >a couple of centuries, we're now starting to see many roundabouts (we call >them "traffic circles") at rural intersections and sometimes in suburban >neighborhoods. Their purpose along with the ubiquitous "speed bumps", is >usually to promote slower vehicle speeds (so called traffic calming). The Washington DC ones were originally installed by a Frenchman, however, in an attempt to confuse drivers who thought they were on a numbered street and suddenly find themselves on one named after a state. On the other hand, they work somewhat better than the ones in Paris from which he got the idea. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." >>Although we've employed them to confuse out of towners in Washington, DC >>for [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > idea. > --scott Exactly. Didn't the ones in France formerly require drivers who had already entered the circle to yield the right of way to those who were trying to merge into it, rather than the other way around? In DC, that would have resulted in instant gridlock as one couldn't exit the circle until rush hour wound down at about 10 PM! Tom > As for the 40K tyres, don't 'tires' in the US have to *guarantee* a > mileage, and hence get made from something not entirely unlike hardened > teflon? While many do, I suspect that most of us U.S. posters to alt.autos.bmw buy performance rubber - often with American brand names, but manufactured in Europe. Tom >As for the 40K tyres, don't 'tires' in the US have to *guarantee* a >mileage, Have to? No. >and hence get made from something not entirely unlike hardened >teflon? Only if that's what you want to buy. Obviously, sticky tires are available as well. > > A friend is looking at a 2002 525D Touring auto with 118K on the > > clock. Anything in particular to look out for? > Suspension knocks. These cars are hard on front wishbone bushes. Normal symptom is wheel shake at around 60 mph. It's difficult to assess wear in the ball joints as they're fluid filled and have some movement when new. However, complete track control arms ain't that expensive and are relatively easy to change. Fitting just the balljoints is really a workshop job. Signature*He who laughs last has just realised the joke. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> > A friend is looking at a 2002 525D Touring auto with 118K on the >> > clock. Anything in particular to look out for? Auto-box failure. Resulting from mainly no-fluid change interval. tim > >> > A friend is looking at a 2002 525D Touring auto with 118K on the > >> > clock. Anything in particular to look out for? > Auto-box failure. Resulting from mainly no-fluid change interval. Care to be more specific? What fails due to 'worn out' fluid? Signature*The e-mail of the species is more deadly than the mail * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> >> > A friend is looking at a 2002 525D Touring auto with 118K on the >> >> > clock. Anything in particular to look out for? > >> Auto-box failure. Resulting from mainly no-fluid change interval. > > Care to be more specific? What fails due to 'worn out' fluid? Clutch material and brake bands.. All the 5 speeders are affected. tim. >>> >> > A friend is looking at a 2002 525D Touring auto with 118K on the >>> >> > clock. Anything in particular to look out for? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > tim. Is this the one where there's no change interval and no capacity stated? ISTR Car Mechanics having a project one. Chris Bartram <news@delete-me.piglet-net.net> gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying: > Is this the one where there's no change interval and no capacity stated? Coo, narrow it down a bit... That's most autoboxes made in the last decade. "Sealed for life". Yep, the life of the autobox is exactly how long the oil lasts... > Chris Bartram <news@delete-me.piglet-net.net> gurgled happily, sounding > much like they were saying: > > Is this the one where there's no change interval and no capacity > > stated? > Coo, narrow it down a bit... That's most autoboxes made in the last > decade. > "Sealed for life". Yep, the life of the autobox is exactly how long the > oil lasts... It's an interesting point in that auto boxes unlike engines don't actually cause contamination of the fluid. Or at least when they do - due to excess wear in the friction plates etc - it's too late for changing the fluid to help. If it did they'd be fitted with proper filters. Sealed for life gearboxes ain't new - many final drives have been like this for 30 years or so. I'm just interested if anyone has proper research on whether this fluid does deteriorate in normal use. Problems with the 5HP ZF series ain't that common in the UK. The US GM version might be different. Signature*Caution: I drive like you do. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > It's an interesting point in that auto boxes unlike engines don't actually > cause contamination of the fluid. Or at least when they do - due to excess [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > does deteriorate in normal use. Problems with the 5HP ZF series ain't that > common in the UK. The US GM version might be different. Indeed - mine came from factory with no recommendation for fluid changes, now it's at 30000 then every 60k thereafter or something odd like that. SignatureAnd remember kids, RAID is safe and the UPS never fails, and Cisco routers never develop intermittent faults, and external hard drives never fail with only a month's use, and the DNS is reliable and resilient, and the mailserver is protected from all forms of attack. > > It's an interesting point in that auto boxes unlike engines don't > > actually cause contamination of the fluid. Or at least when they do - [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Problems with the 5HP ZF series ain't that common in the UK. The US GM > > version might be different. > Indeed - mine came from factory with no recommendation for fluid > changes, now it's at 30000 then every 60k thereafter or something odd > like that. I don't know what the current BMW situation is with the latest boxes - in the US at least they amended the 5HP fluid change from never to about 90,000 miles. But if course it's near impossible to change the oil in an auto anyway as so much remains in the torque convertor. Signature*Just give me chocolate and nobody gets hurt Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >90,000 miles. But if course it's near impossible to change the oil in an >auto anyway as so much remains in the torque convertor. That's part of the reason why changing the fluid regularly is important, since you are basically changing only half the load each time. But then, I'm one of those guys who changes the fluid at 50,000 in manual transmissions too. It's 20 minutes tops and can't hurt. --scott Signature"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." > >I don't know what the current BMW situation is with the latest boxes - in > >the US at least they amended the 5HP fluid change from never to about > >90,000 miles. But if course it's near impossible to change the oil in an > >auto anyway as so much remains in the torque convertor. > That's part of the reason why changing the fluid regularly is important, > since you are basically changing only half the load each time. > But then, I'm one of those guys who changes the fluid at 50,000 in manual > transmissions too. It's 20 minutes tops and can't hurt. It certainly hurts the wallet if it's not needed. BMW ATF costs. Manual transmissions are a bit different - you often get waste products from the gears themselves - hence the usual magnetic drain plug to catch some of it. You don't normally get this in an auto. If you do it's past it anyway. ;-) Signature*There's two theories to arguing with a woman. Neither one works * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> >I don't know what the current BMW situation is with the latest boxes - >> >in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > It certainly hurts the wallet if it's not needed. BMW ATF costs. Another good reason for choosing a manual as Redline MTF is still pretty cheap. Tom > It certainly hurts the wallet if it's not needed. BMW ATF costs. If it's the same box that CM magazine had, the fluid is procey, and no refill quantity is specified (or is there no level plug?). They had a transmission oil coller leak, and so had to guess the amount IIRC. > >> >> > A friend is looking at a 2002 525D Touring auto with 118K on the > >> >> > clock. Anything in particular to look out for? > > > >> Auto-box failure. Resulting from mainly no-fluid change interval. > > > > Care to be more specific? What fails due to 'worn out' fluid? > Clutch material and brake bands.. All the 5 speeders are affected. And you can be sure that changing the fluid will prevent this? Signature*Welcome to sh.t Creek - sorry, we're out of paddles* Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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