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fp - 26 Mar 2009 15:48 GMT
Hi guys!

I'm new here, but I guess we all share the same interest, BMW cars!
During the last year I have been styling my BMW Z4 M Coupe. What do
you think? Does the styling make the car more unique or does it make
it look cheap?

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Gordon Shumway - 26 Mar 2009 18:51 GMT
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I'm sure Jeff Strickland will tell you what he thinks.
fp - 26 Mar 2009 19:09 GMT
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> I'm sure Jeff Strickland will tell you what he thinks.

Hey!

Thanks for your answer. But who is Jeff Strickland? I would love some
feedback, 'cause I've put a lot of work into this car.

fp.
Jeff Strickland - 26 Mar 2009 20:19 GMT
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> fp.

Somebody once asked about aftermarket wheels for his car, an M3 as I recall.
My opinion is that M3s already have about the best looking rims on the road,
and changing them to aftermarket parts is not a good idea. I think that nice
cars should carry OEM parts, especially major parts such as rims. This is
not a hard and fast rule, but a generalization.

Your car looks pretty nice, except for the wing. Having said that, I've
never seen a wing that I like, so it's not just your implementation.

Basically, I'm just an opinionated a.shole that doesn't care that I might
offend somebody's sensibilities.
fp - 26 Mar 2009 22:58 GMT
> >> >Hi guys!
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> Basically, I'm just an opinionated a.shole that doesn't care that I might
> offend somebody's sensibilities.

Hey!

Thanks for the answers.

The BMW Z4 M Coupe is kind of rare. I don't know if it was available
in the U.S. since I live in Europe. The reason why it's such an
unusual sight might be because of its looks. Hehe! I have to agree
that the BMW M3 is a much more beautiful car. But since I'm competing
in car styling it is important for me to have a unique car.

I have done several engine upgrades. Right now it has 750 + horse
powers. I would be glad to answer any questions on how to make BMW's
faster.

fp.
Jeff Strickland - 26 Mar 2009 23:20 GMT
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> fp.

Well, the car does look good, except for that thing growing off of the back.
All that matters is if you and the judges like it, I think it's silly and
serves no functional purpose. I'm all about function over form. But that's
just me.

To be fair, if there is a function -- such as on the track -- then it is a
necessary part, and I'm good with that. But if the sole purpose is the form,
then I'd not be having it.

You said you compete with the car, I assume in shows where they grade on the
shine and fitment of various parts. How are you doing relative to the other
competitors in your class?

You also said that you have pumped up the horsepower, what did you do? Given
the HP increases, it occurs to me that the wing actually has a vital job to
do ...
frischmoutt - 28 Mar 2009 18:23 GMT
http://www.jimmy540i.com/bmwnightmare.htm

regards

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Jeff Strickland - 26 Mar 2009 19:13 GMT
>>Hi guys!
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> I'm sure Jeff Strickland will tell you what he thinks.

I wasn't gonna say anything, but since you asked ...

I don't generally care for the Z4 anyhow, but this one looks pretty good
until you get to that God awful wing thing on the back. I like the tire
package. I've not seen the hardtop version of a Z4 before. I'm not sure that
is even offered in the States, but I could be wrong on that point.

I'm more of a utilitarian, and lean to the 330 convertibles. I could suffer
through a 335 convertible if I had to.

My point is, I prefer the space and the lines of the 4-seaters over those of
the 2-seater; that's if I was buying one. I'd certainly enjoy driving a Z4
if given the chance, but I'd have to pass on buying one and turn my
attention to the 330. I like the M3 convertibles too, but from a pure
appearance perspective, the differences are pretty subtle.

At this stage in my life, the space of the 3 Series is more to my liking
than the Z cars provide.
Brewster Fong - 26 Mar 2009 23:31 GMT
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> package. I've not seen the hardtop version of a Z4 before. I'm not sure that
> is even offered in the States, but I could be wrong on that point.

The E86 Z4 M Coupe is sold in the US. I agree with Jeff, you really
need to get rid of that wing. It really makes the car look like a
"ricer" and ruins the lines of the car.

> I'm more of a utilitarian, and lean to the 330 convertibles. I could suffer
> through a 335 convertible if I had to.

The E93 335i convertible is a nice looking car. Just make sure it has
the intercooler!
Jeff Strickland - 27 Mar 2009 00:14 GMT
On Mar 26, 11:13 am, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Gordon Shumway" <Rho...@Planet.Melmac> wrote in message
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> is even offered in the States, but I could be wrong on that point.

The E86 Z4 M Coupe is sold in the US. I agree with Jeff, you really
need to get rid of that wing. It really makes the car look like a
"ricer" and ruins the lines of the car.

> I'm more of a utilitarian, and lean to the 330 convertibles. I could
> suffer
> through a 335 convertible if I had to.

The E93 335i convertible is a nice looking car. Just make sure it has
the intercooler!

<JS>
I have to go with the 330 for that reason. Having said that, can one buy a
factory-equipped turbo and NOT have an intercooler? It seems to me that an
intercooler would be a required part of the system if there was any hope of
warranty coverage.

I saw an E93 328 today, the top was up and I would have to see a coupe
sitting beside it to tell the differences. I'd like to see one with the top
down. (I'd really like to see the top in action, I would like to see how it
folds in on itself to fit into the trunk, or where ever it goes.)

I gotta say, I like my E36 better, and I also like the E46 better, than the
E93. That's just an observation of the overall lines of the cars, I'm not
considering the noise levels -- my E36 has windnoise with the top up that I
am pretty sure does not exist with the E46 (glass window and all of that),
and the folding hardtop of the E93 has got to be even more quiet.
Brewster Fong - 27 Mar 2009 06:12 GMT
> On Mar 26, 11:13 am, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
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> intercooler would be a required part of the system if there was any hope of
> warranty coverage.

Its my understanding that some E92/93 335i, I believe the ones without
the sport package, did not have an intercooler. Its crazy as the E92s
are known to run hot!  Further, even some of the ones with the sport
package may not have it too. Unbelieveable. Therefore, if someone was
looking for a used one, that is one thing that should be check. If the
car doesn't have one, I hear Dinan makes an excellent aftermarket one.
Costly, but excellent.
Jeff Strickland - 27 Mar 2009 16:26 GMT
On Mar 26, 4:14 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <cr...@verizon.net> wrote:
> "Brewster Fong" <bfd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> of
> warranty coverage.

Its my understanding that some E92/93 335i, I believe the ones without
the sport package, did not have an intercooler. Its crazy as the E92s
are known to run hot!  Further, even some of the ones with the sport
package may not have it too. Unbelieveable. Therefore, if someone was
looking for a used one, that is one thing that should be check. If the
car doesn't have one, I hear Dinan makes an excellent aftermarket one.
Costly, but excellent.

<JS>
That surprises me! With all of the trouble early adopters of turbochargers
had before they figured out how to connect a coler, I'm surprised that BMW
would even offer a turbo without a cooler.

Maybe I'm mixing my apples and oranges here ...

In any case, I think that I'd be looking at the 330 anyway. It has all of
the power that I could ever need, and all of the style in terms of curb
appeal that the 335 has.
John Burns - 27 Mar 2009 18:25 GMT
> That surprises me! With all of the trouble early adopters of turbochargers
> had before they figured out how to connect a coler, I'm surprised that BMW
> would even offer a turbo without a cooler.

Interestingly in the UK/europe the E34 525 diesel could be had with or
without an intercooler and was called the td or tds if it had one
fitted.

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dizzy - 29 Mar 2009 13:17 GMT
>Its my understanding that some E92/93 335i, I believe the ones without
>the sport package, did not have an intercooler. Its crazy as the E92s
>are known to run hot!  Further, even some of the ones with the sport
>package may not have it too.

The purpose of an intercooler is to cool are air going into the
engine, not to cool the engine.  They do not help with "running hot".
That's the job of radiators and oil coolers.

>Unbelieveable.

Indeed.  What is believable, and correct, is that the early 335's did
not have an *oil* cooler, and that one was eventually added.
John Burns - 27 Mar 2009 00:12 GMT
> I don't generally care for the Z4 anyhow, but this one looks pretty good
> until you get to that God awful wing thing on the back. I like the tire
> package. I've not seen the hardtop version of a Z4 before. I'm not sure that
> is even offered in the States, but I could be wrong on that point.

I'm not a big Z4 fan, don't like it from the side. But the Z4 coupe is
nicer looking than the convertible. It was sold in the US but I'm sure
it's rare. If I were to get a Z car it'd have to be a Z1 ;-)

Other than the supercharger what did you do to get 750BHP?

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D. - 28 Mar 2009 01:15 GMT
this guy is a f.cking fruitcake !!!!!!!
anyone who would ask if this spoiler
makes his car look cheap must be BLIND
or from another planet !!!!
                    D.

>> I don't generally care for the Z4 anyhow, but this one looks pretty good
>> until you get to that God awful wing thing on the back. I like the tire
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> Other than the supercharger what did you do to get 750BHP?
pltrgyst@spamlessxhost.org - 28 Mar 2009 04:41 GMT
>this guy is a f.cking fruitcake !!!!!!!
>anyone who would ask if this spoiler
>makes his car look cheap must be BLIND
>or from another planet !!!!

Bye-bye, a.shole. {plonk}

-- Larry
D. - 28 Mar 2009 01:16 GMT
anyone that would put THAT wing on anything
is totally f.cked  UP !!!!!!
i don't care what it might do for performance
and i know it doesn't do sh.t !
you have a lot of balls even posting a question
like this
>> I don't generally care for the Z4 anyhow, but this one looks pretty good
>> until you get to that God awful wing thing on the back. I like the tire
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> Other than the supercharger what did you do to get 750BHP?
D. - 28 Mar 2009 01:28 GMT
750 hp in a Z4 , not in a million years !!!!!!

> anyone that would put THAT wing on anything
> is totally f.cked  UP !!!!!!
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>> Other than the supercharger what did you do to get 750BHP?
dizzy - 29 Mar 2009 13:19 GMT
D. top posted:

>anyone that would put THAT wing on anything
>is totally f.cked  UP !!!!!!

Time for your diaper change, "D".  

Plonk!
dkraaf - 29 Mar 2009 17:52 GMT
> Hi guys!
>
> I'm new here, but I guess we all share the same interest, BMW cars!
> During the last year I have been styling my BMW Z4 M Coupe. What do
> you think? Does the styling make the car more unique or does it make
> it look cheap?

Dude, I think everything about the car is awesome EXCEPT the wing is
AWFUL.    With a piece of art like the Z4 M, if you are going to add
something for downward force, you have got to add something as equally
artful.  The wing is obvious and out of place and you are mixing the
beautiful rounded lines of the Z4 with the square lines of the wing,
the color of the car with the stark contrast of the black, the subtle
power of the Roundel against the obvious cheapness of the makers mark
of the wing.    Just trying to be constructive and specific so maybe
you can use the critique to form a plan of action.

Regards
D
VernMan@my.home - 16 May 2009 16:30 GMT
>Hi guys!
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The car looks fine except for the wing. It makes it look like a giant
shopping cart. I would take it off.
 
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