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Car Forum / BMW Cars / April 2009

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Smoke from air vents when I turn on the A/C

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cowznofsky - 12 Apr 2009 00:28 GMT
I just acquired a 1995 525i.  I turned on the A/C, but didn't feel any
cool air.  After about 5 minutes, smoke suddenly started spewing from
the vents.

So I shut down the  A/C and fan.  I didn't see anything else wrong, so
I continued driving home.  I could still smell the smoke on me later.

I don't see any fluid (athough I do have a oil leak from the valve
cover gasket and have been smelling that as it's evidently dripping on
something hot).

Thoughts?
Scott Dorsey - 12 Apr 2009 02:11 GMT
>I just acquired a 1995 525i.  I turned on the A/C, but didn't feel any
>cool air.  After about 5 minutes, smoke suddenly started spewing from
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>cover gasket and have been smelling that as it's evidently dripping on
>something hot).

Odds are it's your blower motor burning up.  A combination of moisture
in the windings over the years causing the insulation to break down, and
the motor being dragged down by bearings that haven't been lubricated
will cause the motor to overheat and smoke.

Once it's done this it's too late to clean and lube the bearings,
it's usually time to replace the motor.  Sometimes it'll make squealing
noises for a while before it goes, sometimes it just goes.

I don't know how hard it is do to on your vehicle... on some models
of that era it's very easy to get to the AC fan and on others it is
a nightmare involving removing the dash.

The other possibility is the resistor pack.... but that usually produces
only a little puff when it goes, and afterward the fan will work only
on high speed, or it cannot be turned off, or something like that which
is clearly related to the speed control.
--scott

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D. - 12 Apr 2009 22:04 GMT
it could also be from an accumulation of
dust and debris in the housing .
a blower motor usually gives out
sounds before it quits .
have you tried leaving it on at max
speed for 15 - 30 minutes and see if
it stops smoking ?
at this point , you have nothing to
lose by trying this .
it's one of the last things in your car
you want to replace . it cost SERIOUS
$$$$$ .
                HTH ,
                    D.
>I just acquired a 1995 525i.  I turned on the A/C, but didn't feel any
> cool air.  After about 5 minutes, smoke suddenly started spewing from
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>
> Thoughts?
cowznofsky - 13 Apr 2009 12:10 GMT
> it could also be from an accumulation of
> dust and debris in the housing .
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>
> - Show quoted text -

ouch.  I think it's burnt.  I still get the burnt smell even though
I've kept it off.
Scott Dorsey - 13 Apr 2009 15:17 GMT
>ouch.  I think it's burnt.  I still get the burnt smell even though
>I've kept it off.

Get a replacement from the dealer for around $50, and then get the Haynes
manual and see about changing it.

As I said earlier, on some models it's very easy to do, and on some models
it's very difficult, and you won't know which until you try it.
--scott
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Alan B. Mac Farlane - 14 Apr 2009 04:27 GMT
in article
a62b26a3-2141-4dc1-bc2d-fff44de96c33@v15g2000yqn.googlegroups.com,
cowznofsky at jhcorey@yahoo.com wrote on 4/13/09 4:10 AM:

> ouch.  I think it's burnt.  I still get the burnt smell even though
> I've kept it off.

the smell is in the heater/condensor core ... the outside air passes through
it with the heat or the A/C on ... and the back fire tainted the heat
exchanger ... put burnt oil film on it.

There is condensor cleaner for the A/C to take smells out of it .. some
actually clean .. others just put a better smelling oil on it.

If you take it in for service for the A/C if you do that ... they might be
of help.

sumbuddie wear blind sea
cowznofsky - 14 Apr 2009 13:55 GMT
> in article
> a62b26a3-2141-4dc1-bc2d-fff44de96...@v15g2000yqn.googlegroups.com,
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>
> sumbuddie wear blind sea

Hmm.  Maybe so.  It's in the shop right now for the oil leaks, and
they say that the blower motor is ok.
Scott Dorsey - 14 Apr 2009 15:50 GMT
>Hmm.  Maybe so.  It's in the shop right now for the oil leaks, and
>they say that the blower motor is ok.

AHA!  You didn't mention that the car had an oil leak.

IF the engine has an oil leak near the top, and it spills oil onto the
exhaust manifold, it will make a lot of smoke in the engine compartment.
Leaky valve cover gaskets are popular sources of this.

If you have the heat or AC on and it's set to take in outside air, it will
take in smoky air from the engine compartment.

If this is the case, though... you'll also see smoke from the engine
compartment... just little wisps.  And the REAL thing is that the smell
will be a burning oil smell, not a burning plastic kind of smell.  Very
different smell, and the mechanic should be able to sniff the residual odor
and let you know.
--scott
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Alan B. Mac Farlane - 15 Apr 2009 01:35 GMT
> A!  You didn't mention that the car had an oil leak

yeah ... if you are ever driving, and come to a stop ... AND you see some
little wisp of blue gray smoke come up ... have then take a look for an oil
leak.

with these aluminum block engines that are machined so carefully ...

any oil leak on the block will make them warp from uneven heat expansion.

it trashes the engine over time ... to save a few pennies.

of course do not EVER buy a used BMW with an oil stained engine.

Same for helicopters and airplanes.

Remember ... politicians like diapers must be changed often

sumbuddie said dis

L:?
cowznofsky - 15 Apr 2009 15:17 GMT
> in article gs27s6$jh...@panix2.panix.com, Scott Dorsey at klu...@panix.com
> wrote on 4/14/09 7:50 AM:
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>
> L:?

Well, that's terrible news.  I had it in the shop, and they replaced
the gasket, and it still leaks.  So now I just now took it back, but
this is scaring me.
Scott Dorsey - 15 Apr 2009 16:25 GMT
>Well, that's terrible news.  I had it in the shop, and they replaced
>the gasket, and it still leaks.  So now I just now took it back, but
>this is scaring me.

What gasket did they replace and where does it leak?  Are you going to tell
us the whole story or it is just going to keep coming out in little drips
and drops?
--scott
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cowznofsky - 15 Apr 2009 19:45 GMT
> >Well, that's terrible news.  I had it in the shop, and they replaced
> >the gasket, and it still leaks.  So now I just now took it back, but
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> --
> "C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Ok.  Well, first of all, you'll note that I did indeed mention the oil
leak in my original post.

Moving on, I had the valve cover gasket replaced.  The shop also
replaced the grommets and also had to replace the plugs and the seals
(or whatever they are) around the plugs, since the plugs were soaked
in oil.
I was very impressed with the guy at the shop and had a good feeling
about the whole thing.

So I drove the 5 minutes back to work, and saw it was still leaking.
Left the car back at the shop this morning, and then saw the post
about possible engine damage and my insides started churning.  I
called the shop and they said the leak was from an oversight, that a
seal hadn't been fixed correctly.

But I haven't yet picked up the car again.
Scott Dorsey - 15 Apr 2009 20:03 GMT
>Moving on, I had the valve cover gasket replaced.  The shop also
>replaced the grommets and also had to replace the plugs and the seals
>(or whatever they are) around the plugs, since the plugs were soaked
>in oil.

Makes sense.  If you have hydraulic lifters and don't have to pop the
valve covers every once in a while and put a new gasket on in the process,
eventually the gaskets and seals will go bad just from age.

>I was very impressed with the guy at the shop and had a good feeling
>about the whole thing.
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>
>But I haven't yet picked up the car again.

Makes sense... it's very easy to not seat one of those rings properly.
You should be fine.
--scott
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