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88 325 -  schematic for antenna circuit board?

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cosmo - 14 Jul 2009 19:28 GMT
I've examined two failed power antenna units, both with roasted
circuit boards. Any diagram for this out there? They were both roasted
clear through between the heat synched power transistor sections-
middle of the board. You can jump the 12v motor and it will spool the
antenna up or down so that works. Is there a simple circuit I could
cobble to run this up and down on a signal from the ignition key?
Board space is about 2.5inx1.5in. but I guess it could be outside the
plastic antenna package just as well. It seems like you would need
circuits to reverse the motor, to tell it when to stop spooling and to
tell it whether it's already up or down. Ok, the spell check is
complete I had zero errors. Thank you.
Scott Dorsey - 14 Jul 2009 19:56 GMT
>I've examined two failed power antenna units, both with roasted
>circuit boards. Any diagram for this out there? They were both roasted
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>tell it whether it's already up or down. Ok, the spell check is
>complete I had zero errors. Thank you.

I don't have a schematic... in my experience these things fail all the
time because the cogged plastic rail that moves the antenna up and down
gets chewed up.  My bet is that you can ask someone to keep some scrapped
units for you and you'll find a lot of them are electrically fine.

I'd check the power transistors and the emitter resistors, given the
description you give.  If all three of the power transistor pins are
shorted together, you have found the original problem.  Now you just have
to find the collateral damage.
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Dave Plowman (News) - 14 Jul 2009 23:07 GMT
> I've examined two failed power antenna units, both with roasted
> circuit boards. Any diagram for this out there? They were both roasted
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> tell it whether it's already up or down. Ok, the spell check is
> complete I had zero errors. Thank you.

Very easiest way would be to just use a centre off non latching DPDT
switch. If you must have an auto one buy a generic type (or get one from a
scrapyard) and rob it of its electronics, if your one is a special for the
car.

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Steve - 15 Jul 2009 01:00 GMT
| > I've examined two failed power antenna units, both with roasted
| > circuit boards. Any diagram for this out there? They were both roasted
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
| scrapyard) and rob it of its electronics, if your one is a special for the
| car.

Most likely, the transistor is being used as the switch.

Transistors have three terminals; 1) Base, 2) Collector, and 3)
emitter.  In this application, I'm going to guess that the power is
tied to the collector and that when the transistor is forward biased,
voltage and amperage flows from collector to emitter thereby providing
power to the motor to run.

My suggestion is that you take the circuit board to an electronics
repair shop.  If my suspicions are correct about the electrical flow,
just about any radio or TV shop should be able to make a reliable
repair.

The thing you should be worried about is WHY the circuit became
overloaded.  Transistors are rated on the maximum amount of amperage
capable of flowing through the transistor from collector to emitter.
If the original transistor just wasn't able to withstand the normal
amperage during the life of the vehicle, no problem; just replace the
transistor with one able to withstand a larger amperage flow.

So, the first thing would be to measure the amperage flowing in the
circuit to make a determination if the original transistor was of the
correct size to handle the current.  Take the measured amperage
information with you when you transport the circuit board to your
chosen repair shop.  Make sure you take note of the "start-up"
amperage and not just the "running" amperage.

Transistors are manufactured in NPN and PNP configurations.  NPN is
the most common type.  You must replace the defective part with the
same type or other steps must be taken to ensure that the resistors
which bias the transistor are of the correct size and are placed to
cause the transistor to forward bias properly.

Transistors have the ability to use a DC voltage to carry an AC
signal.  Most likely, the circuit board toes not generate an AC
signal, but that cannot be ruled out until it is looked at by a
qualified technician.  Another component that is likely present on the
circuit board is either a 555 or 556 solid state timer used to control
the amount of time the transistor is switched on..

Unless you have the correct level of training to replace the
transistor yourself, I would strongly suggest that you find a
qualified technician.  Transistors may be biased using several
different techniques depending on the application.  I suspect that the
transistor in this particular application is "based biased".  If you
do not understand these terms as they are applied to transistors, do
not attempt to make the repair yourself!

A discrete electronic tutorial is beyond the scope of this medium.
Please do not ask for further explanations for any of the
aforementioned terms.  The summary above is a two year culmination of
both analog and solid state electronics training including many
mathematical formulas needed to properly bias transistors in single
and multiple stage amplifiers.

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Dave Plowman (News) - 15 Jul 2009 09:33 GMT
> > Very easiest way would be to just use a centre off non latching DPDT
> > switch. If you must have an auto one buy a generic type (or get one
> > from a scrapyard) and rob it of its electronics, if your one is a
> > special for the car.

> Most likely, the transistor is being used as the switch.

> Transistors have three terminals; 1) Base, 2) Collector, and 3)
> emitter.  In this application, I'm going to guess that the power is
> tied to the collector and that when the transistor is forward biased,
> voltage and amperage flows from collector to emitter thereby providing
> power to the motor to run.

> My suggestion is that you take the circuit board to an electronics
> repair shop.  If my suspicions are correct about the electrical flow,
> just about any radio or TV shop should be able to make a reliable
> repair.

My guess is the OP doesn't want to spend much - and a generic auto aerial
can be bought off Ebay etc for not a lot. I'd say a repair shop would
likely charge more than a new one. In the UK most electronics repair
places - if you can find one - have a minimum charge of about 50 gbp.

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