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Car Forum / BMW Cars / April 2004tires - all seasons - need some advice
I need to get some 225 /45ZR17 all-season tires for my 1999 323I. If money was not an issue i would go with the Potenza or Michelin Pilots (~$400 / tire). But money is an issue, so I was looking at the Bridgestone Fusion (~$160 / tire). The Fusions are new this year. Does anyone have any pros/cons with the Fusions? Can you suggest another tire? Thanks > I need to get some 225 /45ZR17 all-season tires for my 1999 323I. If money > was not an issue i would go with the Potenza or Michelin Pilots (~$400 / [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks Go to www.tirerack.com and get the Michelins. Pilot Sport A/S are $179 ea.but are not actually Z rated. I'd get the Michelin Pilot Sports for $172 ea and then get some winter wheels and tires instead of getting "all Seasons"... but that's just me. -Fred W > I need to get some 225 /45ZR17 all-season tires for my 1999 323I. If money > was not an issue i would go with the Potenza or Michelin Pilots (~$400 / [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks Take a look at the Pirelli PZero Nero M&S. $123 ea at Tire Rack. SC 00 Z3 Goodyear F1 GS D3 97 528i Soon to be shod with Pirelli PZero's >> I need to get some 225 /45ZR17 all-season tires for my 1999 323I. For some reason this is the first article on this topic my newsserver has picked up. Apologies if this has been said before, but... All-season tires on a BMW are a real shame. Why not get cheaper summer tires now and put winter tires on come winter? All-season tires are only "all-season" in that their traction *always* disappoints, in *all seasons*. >>> I need to get some 225 /45ZR17 all-season tires for my 1999 323I. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > tires are only "all-season" in that their traction *always* > disappoints, in *all seasons*. Why indeed. Well, for some of us, "winter" conditions only last a day or two, or maybe just a few hours at a time. Swapping wheels just for this is a pain. However, being caught out on "summer" tires during a sudden ice storm could be a real pain too. Thus the all-season compromise. Besides, if you're taxing the "summer" performance of your all-seasons on the road, you need to retire that activity to the track. Now, a special set of tires for *that* would make sense! Matt O. I don't know of a better all season tire than Michelen MXV4. They're a touring tire but I can't imagine you want an all season sport tire but if you do there's probbaly a Michelen pilot that'f work for you. I use MXV4's, and I'm not sure you can find a better tire for wet weather and light winter nasties. Consumers reports (spit) came to the same conclusion recently too.  SignatureUsenet special: on cases of any filters for BMW: http://u.bmwz.org http://www.mbz.org | Mailing lists: http://lists.mbz.org 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | Orkut:RS79 Classifieds: http://ads.mbz.org 2 X 280SE | Watches list: http://watches.list.mbz.org > Why indeed. Well, for some of us, "winter" conditions only last a > day or two, or maybe just a few hours at a time. Swapping wheels > just for this is a pain. However, being caught out on "summer" > tires during a sudden ice storm could be a real pain too. Thus the > all-season compromise. If all-seasons really had great ice/snow grip, I would agree with you 100%... but I haven't driven a set so far that really had any ability to get around on ice Blizzak-style. It just seems sad to hobble the car year-round for a possible bad day or two... > Besides, if you're taxing the "summer" performance of your > all-seasons on the road, you need to retire that activity to the > track. Now, a special set of tires for *that* would make sense! This being a newsgroup full of BMWCCA/SCCA/UK equivalent guys, I figured that most of us already have a set of track tires and wheels - I do, even if they are just Victoracers. Ideally you would have three sets of wheels and tires: 1) summer tires on the lowest possible profile; 2) winter tires/wheels on a "minus one" setup; 3) R-compound wheel/tire set. Summer tires are *always* better even if you are not drifting every turn... they ride better, handle better in everyday situations, and are often quieter. Just my opinion which is worth what you are paying for it; I don't like to see all-seasons on Bimmers. It's like Steptronic; it signifies that the driver is probably not an enthusiast. >> Why indeed. Well, for some of us, "winter" conditions only last a >> day or two, or maybe just a few hours at a time. Swapping wheels [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >ability to get around on ice Blizzak-style. It just seems sad to >hobble the car year-round for a possible bad day or two... Even Blizzaks aren't that great on sheer ice, what they do best IMO is handle fresh snow - it's like it's not there. But as it gets slushy you start to lose that feeling of confidence and on ice, well, go slow. I'm not sure when the original poster said "all season" he was thinking "ice". For wintrer driving you have to have snow tires on these cars or your back end will be all over the place, but for regular all season I challenge anybody to come up with a better tire than MXV4s. SignatureUsenet special: on cases of any filters for BMW: http://u.bmwz.org http://www.mbz.org | Mailing lists: http://lists.mbz.org 633CSi 250SE/C 300SD | Orkut:RS79 Classifieds: http://ads.mbz.org 2 X 280SE | Watches list: http://watches.list.mbz.org > Just my opinion which is worth what you are paying for it; I don't > like to see all-seasons on Bimmers. It's like Steptronic; it signifies > that the driver is probably not an enthusiast. or a cheap bastard that bought an old Bimmer with brand new all-seasons on original 14" wheels, and realizes that there are no properly-sized Summer performance tires on the market anymore. SignatureIgnasi. '90 325is (using SPAM trap e-mail address) >> Just my opinion which is worth what you are paying for it; I don't >> like to see all-seasons on Bimmers. It's like Steptronic; it signifies [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > all-seasons on original 14" wheels, and realizes that there are no > properly-sized Summer performance tires on the market anymore. Hmmm... Got anybody in mind? :) I feel your pain... my track car really needs 205/50/15 in front and 225/45/15 in back, but nobody except Hoosier makes 'em in that size. So it's either the wrong-size 225/50 in back or the same size all 'round. If I had "dubs" though there would be any number of companies competing for my (idiotic) business. I don't know why Kumho doesn't offer their Ecsta MX in fourteen-inch sizes... > > Just my opinion which is worth what you are paying for it; I don't > > like to see all-seasons on Bimmers. It's like Steptronic; it signifies [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > all-seasons on original 14" wheels, and realizes that there are no > properly-sized Summer performance tires on the market anymore. Ditch the bottlecaps and get a set of 15" or 16" wheels. The options are plenty then... Keep the 14" rims shod with Blizzaks and you're good to go! -Fred W >> > Just my opinion which is worth what you are paying for it; I don't >> > like to see all-seasons on Bimmers. It's like Steptronic; it signifies [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ditch the bottlecaps and get a set of 15" or 16" wheels. The options are > plenty then... Keep the 14" rims shod with Blizzaks and you're good to go! Sure, that would be the idea. Except that the 'is' came (in the US) with the much prettier 14" basketweaves, and that, as I said, I'm a cheap bastard. Here's a lowball estimate of what you suggest: Set of (decent) 15" or 16" rims: $400 Summer perf tires: $250 14" snows: $300 Mounting, etc: $100 TOTAL $1050 I don't really need snows here in the Bay Area, so the cost could be reduced to $700 or so. As I said, I'm a cheap bastard. My car came with almost new Dunlop SP Sport A2. That's not a bad tire considering the compromises. I'm going to wear them out and then get Summer tires instead. SignatureIgnasi. '90 325is (using SPAM trap e-mail address) > > I need to get some 225 /45ZR17 all-season tires for my 1999 323I. If > money [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 00 Z3 Goodyear F1 GS D3 > 97 528i Soon to be shod with Pirelli PZero's Now that I see the OP is located in Canada, sheesh, summer tires along with dedicated snow tires would be most beneficial for Buddy. Im located several hundred miles to the south where very little if any snow accumulates so those "no season" tires would meet my needs just fine. Im quite interested in trying the Pirelli PZero's, tho I have considered summer/winter tires too but I'm still recovering from a new steering rack, new starter, and new oil pan gasket on my 5'er last month, so have yet to order my new tires. I really do like the Goodyear F1's I have on my Z3, but the climate here doesnt demand dedicated winter rubber. Still...... SC 00 Z3 97 528i > Now that I see the OP is located in Canada, sheesh, summer tires along with > dedicated snow tires would be most beneficial for Buddy. Im located several > hundred miles to the south where very little if any snow accumulates so > those "no season" tires would meet my needs just fine. Not really. It isn't just the snow-tread that makes them winter tires. The softness of the rubber compound at lower temps make winter tires have better handling in the cold than summer tires even on roads without ice and snow. > Im quite interested > in trying the Pirelli PZero's, tho I have considered summer/winter tires too > but I'm still recovering from a new steering rack, new starter, and new oil > pan gasket on my 5'er last month, so have yet to order my new tires. I > really do like the Goodyear F1's I have on my Z3, but the climate here > doesnt demand dedicated winter rubber. Still...... Buy the summer skins (and wheels I suppose?) for the 5'er now and then get the winter tires next fall. Do you drive the Z3 in the bad weather in winter? Just how far south of Canada are you? Snip > > but I'm still recovering from a new steering rack, new starter, and new > oil pan gasket on my 5'er last month, so have yet to order my new tires. I > > really do like the Goodyear F1's I have on my Z3, but the climate here > > doesnt demand dedicated winter rubber. Still...... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Do you drive the Z3 in the bad weather in winter? Just how far south of > Canada are you? Oklahoma SC > > Just how far south of Canada are you? > Oklahoma Oh, that's pretty far south. Don't get a whole lot of cold down there do you? I can see your hesitation to buy winter wheels and tires. Perhaps a set of nice summer tires and some (ugh...) all-seasons for the colder wetter months. -Fred W Buddy, I would agree that all seasons are not the best for your Bimmer. Especially with the size and aspect ratio you are looking at nothing is going to perform that great in the snow, if that is what you need. Dedicated summer and winter wheels/tires would be something worth considering. BTW - I vote for the Pirelli's....... > I need to get some 225 /45ZR17 all-season tires for my 1999 323I. If money > was not an issue i would go with the Potenza or Michelin Pilots (~$400 / [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thanks Falken Azenis ST-115 Very quiet, great traction, modestly priced, and last a long time. I'd also look for winter tires on 15 or 16-inch rims. Matthew '00 528i (w/2 sets of tires) |
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