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Car Forum / BMW Cars / April 2004

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Buying 1992 535i  - Expected Failures?

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Michael Brophy - 21 Apr 2004 07:49 GMT
I'm about to purchase a 1992 535i 5-spd manual with 82k miles.
It has only had one owner and is in great condition (apparently).
What items are most likely to fail in the next 30k miles (2 years)?
Timing chain? Head gasket? Are either of these jobs ones I can do to save
money? I'm proficient at changing disc pads on VWs.
Thanks.

Mike
Seattle
fbloogyudsr - 21 Apr 2004 15:22 GMT
"Michael Brophy" <michael.brophy@comcast.net> wrote
> I'm about to purchase a 1992 535i 5-spd manual with 82k miles.
> It has only had one owner and is in great condition (apparently).
> What items are most likely to fail in the next 30k miles (2 years)?
> Timing chain? Head gasket? Are either of these jobs ones I can do to save
> money? I'm proficient at changing disc pads on VWs.

Brakes and rotors are easy on BMWs - don't buy them from the
dealers, they just charge too much.  Search the web for PBR Deluxe pads,
and the rotors, too - you *usually* need to change the rotors rather
than re-finish them.

The most likely things that will need changing (in a car that old) are the
suspension components - upper-and-lower control arms and shocks.
IMHO, this is *not* a DIY, since the struts and front end is nasty and
tight, with big rusted-on bolts, etc.

The motor should have new rubber components - hoses and belts.
But nothing else should happen to that motor for a long time.

Floyd ('91 525i M50)
C.R. Krieger - 21 Apr 2004 20:22 GMT
> "Michael Brophy" <michael.brophy@comcast.net> wrote
>
> Brakes and rotors are easy on BMWs - don't buy them from the
> dealers, they just charge too much.  Search the web for PBR Deluxe pads,
> and the rotors, too - you *usually* need to change the rotors rather
> than re-finish them.

Also good advice.

> The most likely things that will need changing (in a car that old) are the
> suspension components - upper-and-lower control arms and shocks.
> IMHO, this is *not* a DIY, since the struts and front end is nasty and
> tight, with big rusted-on bolts, etc.

Huh?  Floyd, even on my (older) E28s, this isn't all that hard.  In
fact, BMWs tend to have really nicely-preserved suspension bolts
whenever I've taken them apart.  While it's really nice to have a
lift, these jobs can still be done without it and without too much
agony.  You want to see big rusted-on bolts, go crawl underneath a
Chevy or, in your locale, a Fiat.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)
fbloogyudsr - 21 Apr 2004 21:53 GMT
> "fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote
> > The most likely things that will need changing (in a car that old) are the
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> agony.  You want to see big rusted-on bolts, go crawl underneath a
> Chevy or, in your locale, a Fiat.

Well, the main problem for me was that my spring compressors didn't
fit well, and I didn't want them to slip off.  On the E34 (not sure about
E28), you have to disassemble the axle(s) completely to gain access to
the lower control arm bolt.  My local garage run by Hungarians (?) only
charged me $240 for both fronts - well worth it IMO.

Floyd
Steve Burley - 22 Apr 2004 02:42 GMT
To get to the lower control arm bolt on an E34 you just remove the thrust
arm first, then the lower control arm.  There's no need to remove the front
springs for anything unless you're changing them.  If necessary, you can put
a piece of pipe over the end of the socket wrench in order to tighten or
loosen it.  Spraying penetrating oil on every few hours also helps.  It's a
much easier job on a BMW than on bigger and older cars.
E34 suspension and steering components usually need replacing every
70-80,000 miles but it's worth doing for the great handling.  Also check the
plastic trim around the front and back windscreens - it's very prone to
coming off, especially when you drive fast.

Steve

> > "fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote
> > > The most likely things that will need changing (in a car that old) are
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>
> Floyd
fbloogyudsr - 22 Apr 2004 04:02 GMT
> To get to the lower control arm bolt on an E34 you just remove the thrust
> arm first, then the lower control arm.  There's no need to remove the front
> springs for anything unless you're changing them.  If necessary, you can put
> a piece of pipe over the end of the socket wrench in order to tighten or
> loosen it.

If you want to replace the strut cartridge, you have to remove the spring.

I don't know what the terms are, but on my E34 you have to remove
an assembly from the bottom of the strut (2 or 3 17mm bolts) to get to
the lower control arm's outboard bolt.

Floyd
C.R. Krieger - 22 Apr 2004 15:43 GMT
> > To get to the lower control arm bolt on an E34 you just remove the thrust
> > arm first, then the lower control arm.  There's no need to remove the
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>
> If you want to replace the strut cartridge, you have to remove the spring.

The only difference being the three bolts at the top and freeing the
brake lines and antiroll bar links from the strut.  Personally, I
found the last to be the worst.  These damn things *do* seize up and
the narrow fit for the 15mm(?) open-end wrench makes it almost
impossible not to tear the boot in there.  Otherwise, yanking the
struts for a cartridge replacement isn't a big deal - and your spring
compressor will *always* fit!

> I don't know what the terms are, but on my E34 you have to remove
> an assembly from the bottom of the strut (2 or 3 17mm bolts) to get to
> the lower control arm's outboard bolt.

Correct.  But those 3 17's are relatively easy to break loose, remove,
and replace.  Even if you're repeating the process because you forgot
something.  Not that I ever would - or at least not that it was
something I remember at the moment.  ;^)
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; broke that)
C.R. Krieger - 21 Apr 2004 15:57 GMT
> I'm about to purchase a 1992 535i 5-spd manual with 82k miles.
> It has only had one owner and is in great condition (apparently).
> What items are most likely to fail in the next 30k miles (2 years)?
> Timing chain?

No.

> Head gasket?

Only if you overheat it and ignore the symptoms.

> Are either of these jobs ones I can do to save money?

Let's put it this way: if you're dumb enough to *need* to do either of
these on an M30 with that many miles, you're too dumb to do the job
properly.  That engine is damn near bulletproof except for two things:
overheating (which you should notice) and poor oiling in the cam area
(Didn't they get this fixed by '92?).  FWIW, of the three I've had (2
'87s and an '88), I've never owned one that had any of these problems.
The lowest mileage was 125K and the highest was double that.

> I'm proficient at changing disc pads on VWs.

Then you'll enjoy working on these brakes.  Should be all you need to
do in the next 30K.
--
C.R. Krieger
(Been there; done that)
 
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