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Lordy - 25 Jan 2005 16:43 GMT Wow! On a BMW 320i one garage quoted 8 300ukp+vat labour to change a diff. This is the garage I usually phone to get a worst case scenario type quote!
My local one is letting me source my own diff (for 150 UKP) and want approx 225+vat for labour.
The chaps I'm buying from (Quarry Motors) say they could change a diff in one hour at a push and are surprised labour is more than 70 quid even allowing for London prices!
Problem is the car has already been towed to my local garage so I'll have to get a break down in labour costs from them I guess? Otherwise towing costs may cancel out any savings looking elsewhere.
Are these 200+UKP labour costs standard for London or something?
Lordy
Matt O'Toole - 25 Jan 2005 17:27 GMT > Wow! On a BMW 320i one garage quoted 8 300ukp+vat labour to change a > diff. This is the garage I usually phone to get a worst case scenario [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Are these 200+UKP labour costs standard for London or something? I don't know about that, but you can figure on paying for 4-5 hours labor to change a diff.
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Peter Hill - 25 Jan 2005 19:05 GMT >> Wow! On a BMW 320i one garage quoted 8 300ukp+vat labour to change a >> diff. This is the garage I usually phone to get a worst case scenario [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Matt O. It's RWD so you take the CV's off (6 bolts or push/pull clip fit), undo the prop shaft (4 bolts), remove the 4 or 6 bolts that hold diff place, drop the diff. Refit in reverse. Less or same time as a RWD clutch - I had mine done for £70 labor and they put new oil in the diff too.
Lets say it's got 22 bolts on the 3 flanges and holding the diff in. 1 min per bolt = 44 min remove and refit. 10 min to swap the diff. That leaves 6 min for a fag break.
Labor can be anything from £40/hr to £120/hr.
Doki - 26 Jan 2005 23:16 GMT >>> Wow! On a BMW 320i one garage quoted 8 300ukp+vat labour to change a >>> diff. This is the garage I usually phone to get a worst case [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Labor can be anything from ?40/hr to ?120/hr. Much more than ?40 and they're taking the piss though...
Carl Gibbs - 25 Jan 2005 19:47 GMT > > Wow! On a BMW 320i one garage quoted 8 300ukp+vat labour to change a > > diff. This is the garage I usually phone to get a worst case scenario [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I don't know about that, but you can figure on paying for 4-5 hours labor to > change a diff. You can? How did you work that out then?
Matt O'Toole - 29 Jan 2005 00:30 GMT >>> Wow! On a BMW 320i one garage quoted 8 300ukp+vat labour to change a >>> diff. This is the garage I usually phone to get a worst case [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > You can? How did you work that out then? "The Book"...
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Dave Plowman (News) - 25 Jan 2005 20:16 GMT > > Are these 200+UKP labour costs standard for London or something?
> I don't know about that, but you can figure on paying for 4-5 hours > labor to change a diff. Which in London would cost 450-550 gbp at my dealer.
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Andrew Thomas - 25 Jan 2005 21:55 GMT > > > Are these 200+UKP labour costs standard for London or something? > > > I don't know about that, but you can figure on paying for 4-5 hours > > labor to change a diff. > > Which in London would cost 450-550 gbp at my dealer. Sounds about right. The time to change a diff, according to BMW's internationally adopted technical guideline, is around 2 hours. At a central London dealer, that's around a million pounds. Oop north, they do it out of the goodness of their own hearts - where, I believe, they also pay their utility bills with peace, love and harmon-ee.
:) Pete M - 26 Jan 2005 02:02 GMT In news:1106690122.604409.73310@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com, Andrew Thomas <andrewj_nospamthomas@yahoo.com.au> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows
>>>> Are these 200+UKP labour costs standard for London or something? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > believe, they also pay their utility bills with peace, love and > harmon-ee. Yup, you've got the hang of this haven't you?
BMW do charge different - higher - rates in London and the Home Counties though.
Plate glass and coffee must cost more dahn sahff.
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Andrew Thomas - 26 Jan 2005 18:40 GMT > Yup, you've got the hang of this haven't you? > > BMW do charge different - higher - rates in London and the Home Counties > though. > > Plate glass and coffee must cost more dahn sahff. I was taking the mick (a) out of dealers who charge as mcuh per hour as some very good contract lawyers, and (b) Professional Northerners who reckon you can get a day's honest graft out of someone for a cup of tie, a pie and a lump of coal.
The plate glass and coffee cost the same. The labour doesn't - but not to the vast extent that BMW's labour rates imply:
BMW garage, central London: ~£150 per hour BMW garage, Newcastle: ~£60 per hour
The cost of living is not 2.5 times higher in Newcastle than in London. And parity earnings weightings are nowhere *near* 2.5 times.
Dave Plowman (News) - 26 Jan 2005 20:19 GMT > BMW garage, central London: ~£150 per hour Crikey - mine is 112 a hour, although not actually central London. But i was unaware of any BMW workshops in Central London as such - just showrooms.
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Matt O'Toole - 29 Jan 2005 00:41 GMT > The cost of living is not 2.5 times higher in Newcastle than in > London. Perhaps not, but rent for the shop might be.
Around here you can rent (or buy) a repair shop for a just few hundred dollars a month that might cost $10-20k a month to rent in California.
Occasionally we hear about cars just five years old being scrapped in Japan. This is partly because auto repair businesses are simply not viable in many areas.
Matt O.
Lordy - 29 Jan 2005 01:43 GMT > Around here you can rent (or buy) a repair shop for a just few hundred > dollars a month that might cost $10-20k a month to rent in California. Yup thats partly what I suspected with the differences bet my two repair shops. Although less than a mile apart the obviously have different running costs, different sizes, but oddly a similar amount of mechanics. One also has a pretty voice on the phone and a waiting room (complete with plants).
Still "how much to change a rear diff on a 320i coupe" has now become my little test. Any garage that wants 3hrs or more labour at the "going rates" is off the list unless there is serious justification for the expense. (ie Mechanics are competant Female Bikini Babes and your are invited to watch in your own private cubicle with complimentary beers etc as they get a bit grimy with axle grease .. etc ..)
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Pete M - 25 Jan 2005 19:07 GMT In news:Xns95E9AA3FF1BCDlordybigfootcom@130.133.1.4, Lordy <spam_box@gmx.net> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows
> Wow! On a BMW 320i one garage quoted 8 300ukp+vat labour to change a > diff. This is the garage I usually phone to get a worst case scenario [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Are these 200+UKP labour costs standard for London or something? If you choose to live down south, you should expect to be ripped off.
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Dave Plowman (News) - 25 Jan 2005 20:17 GMT > If you choose to live down south, you should expect to be ripped off. That's because we all make 100,000 quid a year plus. I'm told. ;-(
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AndrewR - 25 Jan 2005 20:53 GMT >> If you choose to live down south, you should expect to be ripped off. > > That's because we all make 100,000 quid a year plus. I'm told. ;-( It's certainly an easy life down there. Every time I've been to London the place is packed with people who got rich young, retired and now have nothing better to do than lie around in sleeping bags all day.
Lucky bastards.
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Carl Bowman - 25 Jan 2005 21:45 GMT > It's certainly an easy life down there. Every time I've been to London the > place is packed with people who got rich young, retired and now have nothing > better to do than lie around in sleeping bags all day. > > Lucky bastards. I'm glad I wasn't drinking coffee when I read that :o)
Taz - 25 Jan 2005 23:12 GMT >>> If you choose to live down south, you should expect to be ripped off. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Lucky bastards. LOL.
Dave Plowman (News) - 26 Jan 2005 00:01 GMT > > That's because we all make 100,000 quid a year plus. I'm told. ;-(
> It's certainly an easy life down there. Every time I've been to London > the place is packed with people who got rich young, retired and now > have nothing better to do than lie around in sleeping bags all day. Youngsters these days. When I were a lad it were old newspapers - or cardboard boxes if you were filthy rich.
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Dan Drake - 26 Jan 2005 00:14 GMT >> > That's because we all make 100,000 quid a year plus. I'm told. ;-( > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Youngsters these days. When I were a lad it were old newspapers - or >cardboard boxes if you were filthy rich. I have a nasty feeling that I know where this is going...
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Dori A Schmetterling - 26 Jan 2005 11:59 GMT Tell us.
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> I have a nasty feeling that I know where this is going... Dan Drake - 26 Jan 2005 21:31 GMT >> I have a nasty feeling that I know where this is going...
>Tell us. (sorry about the formatting...)
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Dori A Schmetterling - 26 Jan 2005 21:55 GMT Applause.
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>>> I have a nasty feeling that I know where this is going... > [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] > believe ya'. > ALL: Nope, nope.. Dori A Schmetterling - 26 Jan 2005 22:12 GMT PS. It is almost better than the dead parrot sketch.
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>> (sorry about the formatting...) >> [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] >> believe ya'. >> ALL: Nope, nope.. Ben Blaney - 26 Jan 2005 03:32 GMT >Youngsters these days. When I were a lad it were old newspapers - or >cardboard boxes if you were filthy rich. <Four Yorkshireman>
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Dori A Schmetterling - 25 Jan 2005 20:48 GMT And where is the rip-off boundary?
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> If you choose to live down south, you should expect to be ripped off. > > HTH Pete M - 26 Jan 2005 02:00 GMT In news:41f6b16b$1$19160$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com, Dori A Schmetterling <ng@nospam.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered souls with a rant as follows
>> If you choose to live down south, you should expect to be ripped off. >> > And where is the rip-off boundary? As far as I can make out, somewhere just South of Birmingham. I'd guess at Northamptonshire :-)
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Peter Hill - 26 Jan 2005 19:58 GMT >In news:41f6b16b$1$19160$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com, >Dori A Schmetterling <ng@nospam.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >As far as I can make out, somewhere just South of Birmingham. I'd guess at >Northamptonshire :-) Watford Gap services.
Dori A Schmetterling - 26 Jan 2005 21:36 GMT Not the M25?? But we are getting closer to it....
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>>In news:41f6b16b$1$19160$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com, >>Dori A Schmetterling <ng@nospam.co.uk> decided to enlighten our sheltered >>souls with a rant as follows [...]
>>> And where is the rip-off boundary? >> >>As far as I can make out, somewhere just South of Birmingham. I'd guess at >>Northamptonshire :-) > > Watford Gap services. Conor - 25 Jan 2005 21:03 GMT > Wow! On a BMW 320i one garage quoted 8 300ukp+vat labour to change a diff. > This is the garage I usually phone to get a worst case scenario type quote! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to get a break down in labour costs from them I guess? Otherwise towing > costs may cancel out any savings looking elsewhere. You need to clarify.
By diff do you mean a complete unit or do you mean a crown and pinion set? The first is an hour, the second can be several hours.
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Lordy - 25 Jan 2005 21:18 GMT >> Problem is the car has already been towed to my local garage so I'll >> have to get a break down in labour costs from them I guess? Otherwise [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > By diff do you mean a complete unit or do you mean a crown and pinion > set? The first is an hour, the second can be several hours. I think its the complete unit. The breakdown of work for the 225+vat labour (5 hours at 45+vat ph) was to remove the prop shaft, drive shaft , axle (presumably CV), sawp out diff, and then put it all back together again.
They seemed to take a while to work out a quote which I assume means they dont usually do this kind of thing? Other garages with cheaper quotes virtually gave me the quotes before I could finish asking the question.
I guess its one of those jobs that take much longer if you're not used to doing it?
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Richard Cranium - 26 Jan 2005 00:17 GMT Lordy,
My son-in-law and I swapped out the rear diff in my 530i. Neither of us had done this with a BMW before. Start to finish for us amateurs (without a hoist) was 1 hr 30 mins.
R.C.
>I guess its one of those jobs that take much longer if you're not used to >doing it? Conor - 26 Jan 2005 19:07 GMT > >> Problem is the car has already been towed to my local garage so I'll > >> have to get a break down in labour costs from them I guess? Otherwise [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I guess its one of those jobs that take much longer if you're not used to > doing it? Not really. Four bolts for the prop, whatever method for driveshaft removal (several bolts or pull out) and whatever else to unbolt. A couple of hours tops.
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Lordy - 26 Jan 2005 20:06 GMT >> They seemed to take a while to work out a quote which I assume means >> they dont usually do this kind of thing? Other garages with cheaper [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > removal (several bolts or pull out) and whatever else to unbolt. A > couple of hours tops. Scary. The difference between the two garage service stations (less than a mile appart) is
1. Three full size roomy hydralic bays (at least 15 ft ceiling think KwikFit sized) vs what looked like two hoists at most. 2. Pretty woman to answer the phone vs "Yeah mate?" 3. Room for 10 cars parked on premises vs cars parked on the street. 4. Roomy reception with plants vs standing in a little room less than 10ft sq. 5. 225+vat for a diff swap vs 80+vat
Surprisingly the first garage doesnt provide complimentary Vaseline.
Lordy
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