Car Forum / BMW Cars / January 2005
Public apology.
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Badger - 28 Jan 2005 16:45 GMT I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to everyone and anyone using this ng who may have taken any offence whatsoever at my recent outbursts within the 'E39 Lemon' thread. That is, everyone except one person who has continuously and constantly taken every possible chance to have a go at me because I dared to "insult" a particular model of bmw. What I actually did was queried the wisdom of a suspension design that so readily gives or transmits vibration issues at the slightest hint of any wear or imbalance. My opinion at the time was that the design was not tolerant enough of any slight minor imbalance or wear, regardless of how good a "driving machine" it was. That particular person tried to tell me what was wrong with my car, a car that he had never even seen or driven, and failed to accept that certain items he told me needed replacing (note, he told me they needed replacing, not that they were worthy of checking!) had been checked and were ok. He has constantly failed to accept what was actually proven to have been causing the symptoms despite being told on more than one occasion and seems to genuinely believe that he is right, everyone else is wrong. In his eyes, I am not entitled to have an opinion of my own - unless it conforms to his beliefs, beliefs that include the idea that the dealer was in the right and the garage that discovered the true cause were "dodgy".
Here is a recent quote - "If I remember things right you refused to accept advice from me and others on what was actually wrong with your car and how to fix it, preferring to believe some dodgy garage." but this contradicts his previous "Of course, every make of car will have its lemon or two. Add in a poor dealer and you have the answer." - which backs up my explanation.
Please excuse me for going on at length on this subject, but I am sorry, some people just provoke me too far with their blinkered, self-opinionated, self-righteous, know-it-all, better-than-you attitudes. Again, if I have offended anyone other than the obvious, please accept my apology. Badger.
Bradburn Fentress - 28 Jan 2005 18:11 GMT >I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to everyone and anyone >using this ng who may have taken any offence whatsoever at my recent [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > apology. > Badger. The best apologies are short and sweet, and contain no alternate motives.
Dori A Schmetterling - 28 Jan 2005 18:47 GMT Let's see if the shouting across England starts up again...
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> The best apologies are short and sweet, and contain no alternate motives. Badger - 28 Jan 2005 20:43 GMT > Let's see if the shouting across England starts up again... Dori, its over as far as I am concerned. I have said my piece, I now hope the matter will be allowed to rest and never dug up again. Badger.
Badger - 28 Jan 2005 20:45 GMT > The best apologies are short and sweet, and contain no alternate motives. No alternate motive Bradburn, just facts. As I have already said, I now hope this whole sorry matter can be laid to rest and never dragged up again. Badger.
Aldo Larrabiata - 29 Jan 2005 19:22 GMT Do you want a candy ?
> > The best apologies are short and sweet, and contain no alternate motives. > No alternate motive Bradburn, just facts. As I have already said, I now hope > this whole sorry matter can be laid to rest and never dragged up again. > Badger. Aaron Gochee - 28 Jan 2005 20:19 GMT >I would like to take this opportunity to... > ...apologize? That sounded more like a long-winded bitch session to me. You can't apologize to everyone and then turn around and blame your behavior on someone else in the same breath... apologies just don't work that way. You did not sound sincere, instead you appear to be using the guise of this so-called "Public Apology" to give yourself license to continue flaming another reader.
Don't get me wrong, you are certainly entitled to your opinion in any case - as I am mine - and in my opinion, you only degraded yourself with your rant. A sincere apology involves taking full responsiblity for your own behavior. If you were truly sorry, you wouldn't have felt the need to mention the actions of others in order to justify your own. On that note, I will take this opportunity to apologize in advance in case I* have offended you* in any way.
(To make more sense out of that last statement, please feel free to replace the asterisked words with the words "you" and "yourself" respectively.)
PS: I don't know what your poor car ever did to deserve you. Please sell it.
Badger - 28 Jan 2005 20:42 GMT Aaron, it was not intended as a bitch, more an explanation. There are obviously issues between dave and myself, I was apologising for the fact that others within the ng had to unfortunately endure it, if they were following the thread, that is. Rather than allow or, to be more accurate, be a part of the cause of this to continue, I decided to stop it (as far as I am concerned) and apologise with an explanation for those who wondered what it was all about. If that in itself has upset you, then sorry. As for your completely unnecessary comment "PS: I don't know what your poor car ever did to deserve you. Please sell it." , I got rid of the offending Lemon and now own an absolutely fabulous car (in my opinion), a 330dSE Sport Auto. I have been happy with it since I bought it last Easter. Your post held credibility until you stooped to that statement. Badger
Aaron Gochee - 28 Jan 2005 21:11 GMT > Aaron, it was not intended as a bitch, more an explanation. There > are obviously issues between dave and myself, I was apologising [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you stooped to that statement. > Badger. I have to apologize for that last statement - it was intended to be humorous, even if at your expense. I admit - I had no right to even chime in on this thread as I just foung this ng today, and haven't the slightest idea of what events led up to this. I haven't cruised newsgroups for years, and I had to see if I still had the ability to intelligently flame someone. You seemed to be the perfect candidate when I saw "BMW" and "lemon" in the same sentence.
I am glad you have finally acquired a model more representative of BMW's tradition of quality. I myself will continue to drive my E30 Cabrio until it is no longer feasible to maintain, and at almost 200K miles on the clock it is still going very strong. I expect it will provide at least a few more years of "ultimate driving".
Corey Shuman - 29 Jan 2005 06:07 GMT Guys.. its a newsgroup, get over it... As a a wise man once said, Arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics... You may "win" the flame.. but your still retarded.
Chris D'Agnolo - 31 Jan 2005 05:18 GMT That is funnier than sh_t, thanks for making me laugh out loud!
Chris
> Guys.. its a newsgroup, get over it... > As a a wise man once said, Arguing on the internet is like winning the > special olympics... You may "win" the flame.. but your still retarded. Aldo Larrabiata - 29 Jan 2005 19:21 GMT Does your mother know you're crying over newsgroups ?
Aaron, it was not intended as a bitch, more an explanation. There are obviously issues between dave and myself, I was apologising for the fact that others within the
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