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Car Forum / BMW Cars / February 2005325 lock & window question
I just bought a 2004 325 and have been reading the owner's manual and trying all the features to check my understanding, and to see if they all work. There is a feature to open all windows using either the remote key or by putting the key in the lock. The remote key works okay if I press the "open" button a third time (the manual says hold it down after the second time---that does not work). If I put the key in the lock and turn to open a second time, the owner's manual says all doors should unlock. They do not. Nor do the windows open when the key is held in the "open" position. Is the manual wrong or has the dealer fiddled with the computer when they added the security system (I added as an option)? Ed I am not sure the windows will open, but they will close. Your car might even close the roof if it is open. I don't understand the benefit of opening the windows with the key, but closing them makes perfect sense. To Close the windows and lock the doors, turn the key to lock the doors, and HOLD it there. After two or three seconds, the windows will close. Try it with the roof open, and see if it closes. A cool feature that I wish my car had is to unlock the doors when the trunk is unlocked. I can lock and unlock the trunk from the door lock, and I can lock the doors from the trunk. But I can not unlock the doors fron the trunk, and I wish I could. Your security system could be causing the unlock behavior to change from that specified in the manual. I can't justify the change, but it makes sense that the security system might be causing the locks to work differently. The key should unlock all of the doors. > I just bought a 2004 325 and have been reading the owner's manual and trying > all the features to check my understanding, and to see if they all work. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Ed > I am not sure the windows will open, but they will close. Your car might > even close the roof if it is open. > > I don't understand the benefit of opening the windows with the key, but > closing them makes perfect sense. Closing windows is not available in US models due to local regulations, except in two door models (coupe & convertible). There is a risk that a kid or a pet gets trapped. Ridiculous, but that's what I was told. Opening all windows is really useful and cool feature, if you are carrying two kids and four bags of groceries, and you know interior of car is 120F. It is pretty neat to have a chance to open windows little bit in advance and let fresh air flow in before you throw you offspring & ice cream in. BR:Z > Opening all windows is really useful and cool feature, if you are > carrying two kids and four bags of groceries, and you know interior of > car is 120F. It is pretty neat to have a chance to open windows little > bit in advance and let fresh air flow in before you throw you offspring > & ice cream in. Also handy when the outside handle breaks off on your E39, and you can't discover how to change it. ;-) But UK cars are different from US ones, IIRC, because on mine one push and hold of the remote opens the locks followed by the windows. This might be different on later models, though.  Signature*A nest isn't empty until all their stuff is out of the attic Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > > I am not sure the windows will open, but they will close. Your car might > > even close the roof if it is open. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > It is pretty neat to have a chance to open windows little bit in advance and > let fresh air flow in before you throw you offspring & ice cream in. Is that true from the fob or the lock? I've used that feature on several E32's, but from the lock only. Re: Trunk... unlocking and locking the doors from the trunk is handy, do it all the time in my E30. Re: Putting all windows down, why would you want to: Simple, on a very hot day, put all the windows down a few minutes before you get in to release the pent-up hot air, before you put yourself into what can be like an oven otherwise. -Russ. > Is that true from the fob or the lock? I've used that feature on several > E32's, but from the lock only. Never tried if it works from lock in my car, but it definitely does from remote control. Just hold door-open button, and windows start to open (sunroof too). BR,Z > > Is that true from the fob or the lock? I've used that feature on several > > E32's, but from the lock only. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > BR,Z You guys with your new cars, I'm envious. :-) -Russ. 339,000km and counting... >> > I am not sure the windows will open, but they will close. Your car >> > might [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > it > all the time in my E30. My E36 hasn't got that feature. I think it would be VERY handy, and it is on the very short list of things that would make my BMW experience even better. > Re: Putting all windows down, why would you want to: Simple, on a very > hot > day, put all the windows down a few minutes before you get in to release > the > pent-up hot air, before you put yourself into what can be like an oven > otherwise. But, if you were opening the windows using the keys, not the fob, then you would already be at the car to perform this operation, which would diminish its usefulness. You could accomplish the same thing by leaving the door open while you start the motor and open the windows before driving away with the AC on high. Of course, if one was at the market, then open the door(s), thel load the trunk, then start the motor and drive off. In any case, if the key is the method used to open the windows, then the feature is of limited usefulness. And, I live in Southern California where the temps routinely reach triple digits for days on end, so I am well aware of heat that gets trapped inside a car. If I had a key fob that worked from far away, then opening the windows would be a great feature. My only argument is that opening the windows with the KEY is not a very useful feature. > > Re: Putting all windows down, why would you want to: Simple, on a very > > hot [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > is the method used to open the windows, then the feature is of limited > usefulness. Using a key to open all the windows from outside keeps you from having to get in. If you get in to start the motor, and then open all the windows, you get to experience the sweatshop for that short time. With they key trick, you empty out a lot of the hot air before you ever get in, by letting it air out a minute. After which you do what you described above. I had a car with this feature for a while one summer, and I found it immensely useful. The rest of the time in my E30, I do what you describe, which is nowhere near as nice if it's really hot. Would have been nicer on the fob to be sure, but standing outside the car was better than getting in to it. Of course leaving the sunroof elevated does help in both cases, which I try to do. -Russ. "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message > But, if you were opening the windows using the keys, not the fob, then you > would already be at the car to perform this operation, which would diminish > its usefulness. You could accomplish the same thing by leaving the door open [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is the method used to open the windows, then the feature is of limited > usefulness. If, for some reason, the only key available was the spare plastic key, it would seem to be useful. And the Owner's Manual says it should work, if that means anything. Ed > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message > But, if you were > opening the windows using the keys, not the fob, then you [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > that means anything. > Ed Why is it useful with the key at all? I have to suggest that this feature is an Option, it is not necessarily a feature you have. If the Owner's Manual shows the feature with an astrisk, then it is an optional feature. If you have the feature, then you can access it by holding the key for several seconds in the Unlock position before the windows begin to open. Having said that, it matters not what the available key set is, opening the doors will allow the hot air to get out just as easily as opening the windows. I submit that it takes longer to open windows with the key than to simply open the door. The keey must be used to unlock the door, which can then be opened, or the key must be held to the unlock position for many seconds while the windows go down. Opening the windows with the fob is arguably a very useful feature, but opening the windows with the key is - in my opinion - not very useful at all. > Opening the windows with the fob is arguably a very useful feature, but > opening the windows with the key is - in my opinion - not very useful at > all. I used it often on a hot day on my E34 - and to open the sun roof. It was a black car and got unbearable after standing - even in London. Easier than switching on to use the window switches. Signature*Geeks shall inherit the earth * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > > Opening the windows with the fob is arguably a very useful feature, but > > opening the windows with the key is - in my opinion - not very useful at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a black car and got unbearable after standing - even in London. Easier > than switching on to use the window switches. OK, I stand corrected. I live in the desert region of Southern California, if ever there was a hot car, I am sure I would have been inside it. My personal experience, derived from 35 driving years, is that it is no problem to open the windows from the inside and set the AC controls to High Speed. If I had a key fob that could open the windows from the comfort of my office, then that would be a very cool (no pun intended) feature. But I can not fathom standing around outside my car waiting for the windows to go down, when I could simply open the door and let the heat flood out. To be honest, I also have a Jeep that has no doors or windows, and heat is a problem even for the Jeep. So, I am well aware of what happens in hot climates. Opening windows with the key is of dubious value at best. Trust me on that. > > I used it often on a hot day on my E34 - and to open the sun roof. It > > was a black car and got unbearable after standing - even in London. > > Easier than switching on to use the window switches. > OK, I stand corrected. > I live in the desert region of Southern California, if ever there was a > hot car, I am sure I would have been inside it. My personal experience, > derived from 35 driving years, is that it is no problem to open the > windows from the inside and set the AC controls to High Speed. You guys are obviously hard over there. ;-) > If I had a key fob that could open the windows from the comfort of my > office, then that would be a very cool (no pun intended) feature. But I > can not fathom standing around outside my car waiting for the windows to > go down, when I could simply open the door and let the heat flood out. Perhaps you have no breeze in the desert region of Southern California? In the UK, we usually do, so you'd be opening all the doors to get the same effect - and in our narrow streets you'd find them removed by passing traffic. ;-) And mums with pushchairs. > To be honest, I also have a Jeep that has no doors or windows, and heat > is a problem even for the Jeep. So, I am well aware of what happens in > hot climates. Opening windows with the key is of dubious value at best. > Trust me on that. I've learned never to trust anyone, Jeff. ;-) But I'm not in charge of the world and issuing an edict that everyone must use this facility - merely saying where I use it. And now, with my E39, via the remote. Oh - and also to get into the damned thing after the handle broke. Now fixed. ;-) Signature*OK, who stopped payment on my reality check? Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > > "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr@yahoo.com> wrote in message > But, if you were > > opening the windows using the keys, not the fob, then you [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > opening the windows with the key is - in my opinion - not very useful at > all. You're hypothetically parked on the side of the street on a hot day. You propose to open your door and leave it sitting open for some length of time as traffic whizzes by, and eventually get in. I'm hypothetically parked behind your. I put my key in the passenger (sidewalk side) lock, drop all the windows. My alarm is still engaged. I can load the trunk sit down, walk into the store for a chocolate bar, watch your car get stolen by a passerby, or stare at the traffic going by, until my car has had a chance to cool off, at which point I open the door, get in, and drive off. -Russ. My '94 closes the windows, but not the roof. My care is a USA car. If the car is hot, I open the door and leave it open while I start the car, then open the windows, then close the door and drive off with the AC on high. As the AC begins to blow cold, I close windows. I see no benefit whatsoever to opening the windows with the key at a time when I am unlocking and opening doors. And since locking the doors with the key TRAPS PEOPLE INSIDE, worrying about clamping a kid in the window is just not going to happen. Try this test. Get out and leave the windows down and use the key to lock the doors. Now, try to unlock the doors WITHOUT using the keys. As you can see from this test, if you left any passengers inside the car and the doors were locked and the windows were raised, they would still be there when you got back, or if they were gone, you would have at least one broken window. Try this test too. Lock the doors with the windows down. Lean in the window and put your key in the ignition and try starting the car. (Be sure the car is in N and the parking brake is set.) Locking the doors with the key will enable the Ignition Lock Out, and the car will not start again until the key is used to unlock the doors. > > I am not sure the windows will open, but they will close. Your car might > > even close the roof if it is open. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > BR:Z > I just bought a 2004 325 and have been reading the owner's manual and trying > all the features to check my understanding, and to see if they all work. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Is the manual wrong or has the dealer fiddled with the computer when they > added the security system (I added as an option)? My 2003 works as described in the manual. I also have the missing part of the security system installed. Jim |
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