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Car Forum / BMW Cars / February 2005Side mirror leaking strange liquid "damaging"paint....
My 00 M5 passenger door mirror starting leaking a fluid that ran down on the door, making it necessary to use a strong solvent solution to remove it. The mirror facing is now shot. What could have caused it? Have owned BMWs for years and nothing ever happened like this. David Hageman > My 00 M5 passenger door mirror starting leaking a fluid that ran down > on the door, making it necessary to use a strong solvent solution to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > David Hageman Are these auto dimming mirrors? If they are and they're like the auto dimming rear view mirror, there is a chemical in the mirror that reacts to the electrical charge when the sensor senses light. The part of the mirror that contains this fluid must have been damaged. If they're not auto dimming then I have no idea. Kyle. 98 740iL 97 M3 That's very odd. The mirror is controlled electronically with a motor which allows adjustment. It sounds like the motor has burned out, maybe heating up something which caused the "liquid" and subsequent damage to the mirror. It is easy enough to remove the mirror - you need to slide a little tab over which unlocks the mirror from the assembly. You can see it by using a flashlight and looking in behind the mirror. You need to move the mirror to either and up/down or side/side extreme. A small flathead screwdriver can be used to move the slide tab. Then you can look at the parts to see what looks fried. > My 00 M5 passenger door mirror starting leaking a fluid that ran down > on the door, making it necessary to use a strong solvent solution to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > David Hageman The motor is in good condition as the lens still moves when the car is put in reverse and returns to saved position once car is out of reverse. It's just the mirror facing itself that is ruined. Thanks for the info on removal. >The motor is in good condition as the lens still moves when the car is put in reverse and returns to saved position once car is out of reverse. ******* WTF??? Why would it do that? You *should* be able to see well out of a properly adjusted mirror no matter what gear the car is in... ???!!! Maybe it's for folks that have broken their neck & are wearing a brace? That's just something else to screw up & cost money. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! > >The motor is in good condition as the lens still moves when the car is > put in reverse and returns to saved position once car is out of > reverse. > ******* > WTF??? Why would it do that? Because that's what it's designed to do - dip down automatically when you are reversing so that you get a better view of where the back corner is. > You *should* be able to see well out of a > properly adjusted mirror no matter what gear the car is in... ???!!! Maybe > it's for folks that have broken their neck & are wearing a brace? No, it's because the standard mirror glass does not have a large enough field of view to see both the rear corner and a decent view far enough behind. Go read a manual or three and you'll see. Badger. >Go read a manual or three and you'll see. ******** Thanks for the explanation, but I'll never own a car with such crap so there's no need to read... :-) ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! > >Go read a manual or three and you'll see. > ******** > Thanks for the explanation, but I'll never own a car with such crap so > there's no need to read... :-) > ~ Paul > aka "Tha Driver" Ok, but you must therefore own / have owned plenty of cars where you need to constantly re-adjust the mirror every time you need to see more accurately when reversing near kerbstones! They must be 'really' crap cars! <grin> Badger. >Clearly the nickname "ThaDriver" refers not to any automotive skills but rather to his male escort business. ****** That's funny! ;^D ****** Ok, but you must therefore own / have owned plenty of cars where you need to constantly re-adjust the mirror every time you need to see more accurately when reversing near kerbstones! They must be 'really' crap cars! <grin> Badger. ******** Yeah all my cars are crap. Actually I didn't say the car was crap, just the "option". I've never had any trouble backing up, even parking next to a curb, although I can't remember the last time I had to do so. In fact, I can't remember any place that there are curbs to park next to, that I've been within a couple decades. Tha Driver needs the open road - not the city! LOL Some of my cars have pics online (but not my E21) if you want to check them out: http://angelonearth.net/carparts/ (ZX at bottom) http://angelonearth.net/me.html (blue Cabriolet - now sold, & blue street baja) http://AngelOnEarth.net/Cabrio/Cabrio.html (Same Cabriolet after deer damage repair BTW it's SOLD <crying>, & hood for the V8 Cab) http://AngelOnEarth.net/ZCar/ZCar.html (project V8 Z car) http://AngelOnEarth.net/Cabrio/BlackCabriolet.html (Modded image of a black Cabriolet - similiar to my plans for a Fiero running gear mid-engine LT1 350 Cabriolet) http://AngelOnEarth.net/photo.html (Annie the off-road baja bug & some other photos) Next week I've GOT to get organized.... :-) ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! > >Clearly the nickname "ThaDriver" refers not to any automotive skills but > rather to his male escort business. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a curb, although I can't remember the last time I had to do so. In fact, I > can't remember any place that there are curbs to park next to, <snip> True in your case I'm sure. I doubt that trailer parks have any proper roads, let alone curbs. Clearly the nickname "ThaDriver" refers not to any automotive skills but rather to his male escort business. > >Go read a manual or three and you'll see. > ******** [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Easy on the Giggle Cream! The mirror adjusts downward with the idea that the $1,100. wheel won't rub and get scratched against a curb. ;^) (hasn't helped mine) It returns to the saved position (4 different) that's set on the driver keypad on the driver's door. > The mirror adjusts downward with the idea that the $1,100. wheel won't > rub and get scratched against a curb. ;^) (hasn't helped mine) > > It returns to the saved position (4 different) that's set on the driver > keypad on the driver's door. make that "3" different driver positions. David H. > >The motor is in good condition as the lens still moves when the car is > put in reverse and returns to saved position once car is out of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! Idiot. The passenger side rear view can be selected to tilt down when in reverse to better parallel park. But I suppose that is totall irrelevant to a f.cking moron like you who probably drives a stupid jacked-up Ford F150 with tires that have a 24" sidewall. You are right. Why have any "features" on a car besides engine, brakes, and steering wheel. No need to buy a car you can't afford to fix. But if you EVER DO buy a new car, there is a thing called a warranty. Jerk. Gentlemen, Please, come back to the subject. No need to insult everybody. Quite sure you'll understand. Thanks in advance and best regards. [...] > Idiot. The passenger side rear view can be selected to tilt down when in > reverse to better parallel park. But I suppose that is totall irrelevant to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > steering wheel. No need to buy a car you can't afford to fix. But if you > EVER DO buy a new car, there is a thing called a warranty. Jerk. The subject was dealt with. Now we are dealing with a f.cking moron who added nothing to the discussion, only his moronic comments. Capiche? > Gentlemen, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> steering wheel. No need to buy a car you can't afford to fix. But if you >> EVER DO buy a new car, there is a thing called a warranty. Jerk. Dear Sir, Would you be kind enough to let me tell you that your answer is completely off topic in this group. I'm quite sure you will easily understand since you are not a 'moron' . Looking forward to reading from you, Faithfully yours PS: First, in Italian, there is no "h" in Capisce. Second, I am not Italian, so it is useless for you to try to (badly) write in this language. > The subject was dealt with. Now we are dealing with a f.cking moron who > added nothing to the discussion, only his moronic comments. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Please, come back to the subject. No need to insult everybody. > > Quite sure you'll understand. Thanks in advance and best regards. >Dear Sir, Would you be kind enough to let me tell you that your answer is completely off topic in this group. I'm quite sure you will easily understand since you are not a 'moron' . Looking forward to reading from you, *********** Yeah: I was just soooo shocked that BMW would resort to such a gimmiky "feature". I guess there are some drivers that need this option, though, according to the response I got. I'm also sure some of them can afford to have it repaired, once it sticks in the lower position & renders the mirror useless. ;-) >PS: First, in Italian, there is no "h" in Capisce. Second, I am not Italian, so it is useless for you to try to (badly) write in this language. *********** You know I started to call the guy on this myself, but changed my mind... ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! >>Dear Sir, >Would you be kind enough to let me tell you that your answer is [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >*********** >You know I started to call the guy on this myself, but changed my mind... It's *too* easy to call *that* guy on just *too many* things. He still posts here? The kill file is your friend...  SignatureDan Drake Look Dan, this guy is just a troll. Why is he posting here. He says he doesn't own a BMW and never would. His big complaint is that the tilting passenger side mirror is a stupid "gimmic" that is totally useless, and will cost big bucks to fix. What is the point? Why would someone show up here to complain about 1 BMW feature? Does it make BMW a lousy manufacturer? Why would anyone that has no interest in BMW's even care? Why would you (or I), bother to post to the SAAB ng about some insignificant feature (like why the ignition is where they decided to put it) if we don't care for or own one? I'm just ignoring him from now on. >Look Dan, this guy is just a troll. Why is he posting here. He says he doesn't own a BMW and never would. His big complaint is that the tilting passenger side mirror is a stupid "gimmic" that is totally useless, and will cost big bucks to fix. What is the point? Why would someone show up here to complain about 1 BMW feature? Does it make BMW a lousy manufacturer? Why would anyone that has no interest in BMW's even care? Why would you (or I), bother to post to the SAAB ng about some insignificant feature (like why the ignition is where they decided to put it) if we don't care for or own one? I'm just ignoring him from now on. ******** You're an idiot. I'm not a troll, & I post here fairly often helping folks out. I *have* owned BMW's, & only recently traded my E21 for some much-needed grading. The guy still owes me some work, so I may be getting it back. I'm also looking at buying another Bimmer too. I came REAL close to buying an 8 series recently, but the guy had just had a sand & shoot paint job done on it & was asking too much for it in that condition. If he had not had it painted I would have bought it (I had the cash at the time). I SURE hope you DO ingnore me; I'm not interested in your ignorant opinions! ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! Wanna a lollipop to calm yourself ? Does your mother knows you use nasty words ? Better to return in your room to study your lessons for tomorrow. Don't you have a recitation to learn ? > >Look Dan, this guy is just a troll. > Why is he posting here. He says he doesn't own a BMW and never would. His [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Easy on the Giggle Cream! Why the f.ck are you posting to me when you PROMISED you'd plonk me? Idiot. > Wanna a lollipop to calm yourself ? > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >> Easy on the Giggle Cream! ********** Why the f.ck are you posting to me when you PROMISED you'd plonk me? Idiot. > Wanna a lollipop to calm yourself ? > > Does your mother knows you use nasty words ? > Better to return in your room to study your lessons for tomorrow. > Don't you have a recitation to learn ? ******** Is ANY of the above aimed at me? If so I made no promises, & don't have a clue what a "plonk" is... And....my mother is dead, thank you. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! Sorry! Wrong maneuver. Still want a candy ? plonk again and thanks for the clue. Best regards PS. did you learn correctly your lessons ? I'll ask your mom. > Why the f.ck are you posting to me when you PROMISED you'd plonk me? Idiot. > > Wanna a lollipop to calm yourself ? [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > >> > >> Easy on the Giggle Cream! Classis idiot troll. He claims to plonk me BUT CONTINUES to respond to my posts in this thread. THADRIVER does not post here very much at all. A Google of newsgroups shows that his is a prolific poster to: rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled - Dec 16 2004, 7:21 am by Joseph Oberlander - 22 messages - 8 authors Bondo removal 24 grit on a grinder for the worst/thickest areas, then 80 grit on a locked-down DA or air buffer. Wear a dusk mask & do it outdoors ... rec.autos.rod-n-custom - and also a Chevy ng. "Aldo Larrabiata" > on the other hand, posts to numerous ng's including a Windows98 (yup), and out of about 80 hits I perused, only one was to this ng. Nuff said. Even though it's not directed toward me, I'd still like to know what a plonk is... Not that I see where it makes a difference (nor do I care), but I check & post to several other groups; guess you didn't pick them up. I visit/post to these groups mostly 'cause I *own* at least one car of each mark, or work on them frequently (# following = # owned). I do so on the following at talkaboutautos.com: Auto Parts Wanted BMW (this group) (currently 0 - expect this to change *back* very soon - did have E21) Chrysler (1) Corvette (0) Dodge - Trucks (2) Fiero (1) Kit Cars (0) Nissan Z-Car (2) Porsche (0) Rod-n-Custom Rod-n-Custom 2 (several of my cars are custom) Subaru (1) V.W - watercooled (1) V.W. - aircooled (3) Volkswagen Beetle (same as above) & at Yahoo: cabrioletandcabrio (same as VW watercooled)) BMW_E21_Digest (ditto above) FIERO (ditto above) datsun210 (1 - roadracer) AND....several others that I visit when I have time. Does this redeem me for having an opinion on the self-misadjusting mirror? And hey BTW: what happens if you're backing out of a parking spot in a lot? Does it *still* turn down so that you can't see behind you on that side? (that would just be wrong! LOL) ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! > And hey BTW: what happens if you're backing out of a parking spot in a > lot? > Does it *still* turn down so that you can't see behind you on that side? > (that would just be wrong! LOL) You can select it to tilt down or not. "ThaDriver" <imangeloneAThotmailDOTcom@> wrote > Even though it's not directed toward me, I'd still like to know what a > plonk is... Plonk means that someone has added your email address to his/her blocked sender list, because all you send out is spam, off-topic chatter, invective, etc. Floyd I never understand why a poster announces he/she is plonking another. Can't they just do it...?... DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- >> Even though it's not directed toward me, I'd still like to know what a >> plonk is... [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Floyd >I never understand why a poster announces he/she is plonking another. >Can't they just do it...?... Do you never honk at someone that did something wrong? >>> Even though it's not directed toward me, I'd still like to know what a >>> plonk is... >> >> Plonk means that someone has added your email address to his/her >> blocked sender list, because all you send out is spam, off-topic chatter, >> invective, etc. > >I never understand why a poster announces he/she is plonking another. > >Can't they just do it...?... > > Do you never honk at someone that did something wrong? I honk and flip the bird to everyone with a KERRY/EDWARDS bumper sticker!! ;^) David Hageman >>> I never understand why a poster announces he/she is plonking >>> another. Can't they just do it...?... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > David Hageman Plonk!! Just kidding. I don't plonk anyone. Not even Repubs. ;-) Jeff <snip> > And hey BTW: what happens if you're backing out of a parking spot in a lot? > Does it *still* turn down so that you can't see behind you on that side? > (that would just be wrong! LOL) You should not back out just by using mirrors. You should always crank your body and head around to look through the back window for a wide view while you are backing out. Even that doesn't ensure you don't miss something. Backing up in tight quarters is always tricky and the parking lot is frequently where accidents occur. A good way to execute the look around is to grab the seat back or the headrest of the passenger seat and pull yourself around. Steer with the other arm. The tilting side mirror is just for looking at the curb or whatever may pose a hazard to your rear passenger side rim. I suggest you try it in a car with low profile tires before you pan feature. I appreciate certain aspects of your crustiness but please give it a rest. >You should not back out just by using mirrors. You should always crank your body and head around to look through the back window for a wide view while you are backing out. Even that doesn't ensure you don't miss something. Backing up in tight quarters is always tricky and the parking lot is frequently where accidents occur. A good way to execute the look around is to grab the seat back or the headrest of the passenger seat and pull yourself around. Steer with the other arm. I appreciate certain aspects of your crustiness but please give it a rest. *********** I've been driving for 38 years so I know how to back up. I always check all three mirrors more than once, & turn around as much as possible to look behind while slowly backing up. At my age it's not as easy (turning around that is) as it used to be, even using the pass. seat. Also the more I turn around the less control I have with the clutch. Resting now... ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! > Look Dan, this guy is just a troll. > Why is he posting here. He says he doesn't own a BMW and never would. His [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > care for or own one? > I'm just ignoring him from now on. The fine points you are making IMO gloss-over the fact that the motorized passenger side mirror that shows you exactly how close you are to the curb is anything but a stupid gimmic. I would think a lot of cars are driven by more than 1 person...thus the need for the option for secondary settings for seat, mirrors and steering wheel. David H. > The fine points you are making IMO gloss-over the fact that the > motorized passenger side mirror that shows you exactly how close you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > David H. You might have confused me with the idiot known as "thadriver". It was HE who posted the diatribe about expensive to repair "gimmicks". I completely agree with you. I find the feature invaluable on my 740, and PRICELESS on my M5. The pain and expense of stupidly "kerbing" the rims on the M5 is worth every penny if you can avoid it. PLONK > Look Dan, this guy is just a troll. > Why is he posting here. He says he doesn't own a BMW and never would. His [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > care for or own one? > I'm just ignoring him from now on. >Idiot. The passenger side rear view can be selected to tilt down when in reverse to better parallel park. But I suppose that is totall irrelevant to a f.cking moron like you who probably drives a stupid jacked-up Ford F150 with tires that have a 24" sidewall. You are right. Why have any "features" on a car besides engine, brakes, and steering wheel. No need to buy a car you can't afford to fix. But if you EVER DO buy a new car, there is a thing called a warranty. Jerk. ******** Well as I said in response to another message I've never had any problem parallel parking next to a curb. To me it's just another *gimmick*, that most folks don't need, & will cost to repair. I'll never be able to afford a *new* BMW & would not buy one anyway with a lot of gimmicks like this. I was actually *shocked* that such a "feature" would be put on a fine automobile, but I guess that's the way they have to sell them now, with all the gimmicks the japs are putting on the Lexus's (which I would never own). No "stupid jacked-up Ford F150" but my baja bug has rear tires with a THIRTY-EIGHT INCH sidewall! BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA... (links to pics are in the other post I mentioned). Warranty? I do *all* my own work (except for upholstery), so I don't need no stinkin' warranty! LOL! ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! I'll never be able to afford > a *new* BMW & would not buy one anyway with a lot of gimmicks like this. Exactly, low life grease monkey. > Warranty? I do *all* my own work (except for upholstery), so I don't need > no stinkin' warranty! LOL! Yeah, I bet your a wiz with a 73 Caprice Classic. Your type usually has one they drive, and 2 more on blocks in your front yard. Loser! > ~ Paul > aka "Tha Driver" > > Easy on the Giggle Cream! >The subject was dealt with. Now we are dealing with a f.cking moron who added nothing to the discussion, only his moronic comments. Capiche? ******** Gotta love it: the rich cretins always think the intelligent poor (albeit opinionated) are morons (&/or several other words their mama taught them). They can buy the car, but not work on it - & probably don't even know how it works. Makes you wonder how (or if) they can even drive it. >Yeah, I bet your a wiz with a 73 Caprice Classic. Your type usually has one they drive, and 2 more on blocks in your front yard. Loser! ****** Naw; iya hayuve da fer bi fer Doyuge peekup anyud da neesun zee ex roonink ayut thees tiyum. If I had a Caprice yes I'd be a wizard doing anything to it except upholstery. As it is, I have 2 baja bugs (one street & one off-road), the pickup (for towing the car trailer), the ZX, a Harley, a V8 Z, a Fiero Indy, Subaru Brat, Mercedes coupe, & some other projects like a mid-engine LT1 powered VW Cabriolet. Traded my E21 for some grading, but the guy still owes me so I'm thinking about getting it back. Miss the little Bimmer... The ones "on blocks" (actually they all have tires :-) I won't even mention. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! >Exactly, low life grease monkey. ******* BTW; who's your mechanic? I'm sure he'd like to know your *true* opinion of him! ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! My mechanic is a skilled technician. Low life grease monkeys are guys like you who do oil changes in their driveway and pour the oil down the sewer. > >Exactly, low life grease monkey. > ******* [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Giggle Cream - it makes dessert *funny*! >My mechanic is a skilled technician. Low life grease monkeys are guys like >you who do oil changes in their driveway and pour the oil down the sewer. Hey! I resemble that remark! And anyway, there are so few of us that do it that it really doesn't matter. There's way more vulcanized rubber dust goes down the drain than the occasional gallon of used oil that *I* put down the storm drain at the front of my driveway. Let's keep a sense of proportion over this, please! SignatureDan Drake >My mechanic is a skilled technician. Low life grease monkeys are guys like you who do oil changes in their driveway and pour the oil down the sewer. ********* THREE more WRONG assumtions on your part! 1) I have a SHOP that I work in; in fact I built it instead of a very small house 'cause I didn't have enough money for both (I choose my cars over me). I lived in my moving van this summer, & recently built a loft in my shop in order to stay warm - two sides & the ceiling are insulated with 1/2" foam insulation (the truck had none of course). Had to sell my nice Cabriolet to do that, though... <crying> 2) I recycle my oil through friends' shops, who send it to recycle centers. There's no excuse for not taking care of the planet we live on. 3) VERY FEW people could build the cars & do the paintwork I do. I have 30+ years experience as a SKILLED TECHNICIAN. GFY. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" You're a moron low life grease monkey who has no interest in BMW's or probably any fine cars for that matter, and my final "tribute" to you is to offer you a hearty one-fingered salute and ignore you henceforth. > >My mechanic is a skilled technician. Low life grease monkeys are guys > >like [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > ~ Paul > aka "Tha Driver" >You're a moron low life grease monkey who has no interest in BMW's or probably any fine cars for that matter, and my final "tribute" to you is to offer you a hearty one-fingered salute and ignore you henceforth. ********* Thanks: I couldn't ask for more from such an ignorant simpleton. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver" Easy on the Giggle Cream! |
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