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Car Forum / BMW Cars / March 2005Castrol Syntec Update?
What's the latest on Castrol Syntec and it's status as a "synthetic" oil? Should I be using it in a new 2005 325? If not, what is recommended and when should I get the Csatrol out? What about Royal Purple as an alternative? > What's the latest on Castrol Syntec and it's status as a "synthetic" oil? It was synthetic, and still is. > Should I be using it in a new 2005 325? If not, what is recommended and > when should I get the Csatrol out? What about Royal Purple as an > alternative? You've already got Castrol synthetic in your car (that's what the BMW- branded oil is). The BMW stuff is as cheap from the dealer as Castrol is from Schucks/PepBoys/Etc. MobilOne is cheaper from Costco and is also approved. Never heard of "Royal Purple"; not recommended by BMW (only Castrol and Mobil are). Floyd >> What's the latest on Castrol Syntec and it's status as a >> "synthetic" oil? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > is also approved. Never heard of "Royal Purple"; not recommended > by BMW (only Castrol and Mobil are). BMW synthetic is made by Casrol, but is not the same as what the market as "Syntec". Personally, I feel that either the BMW stuff or MobilOne should be used. YMMV, -Fred W In the US, BMW synthetic oil is supposedly made by Castro and the same as its Syntec. If that is true, then those who want to maintain their cars according to BMW service requirements can use Castro Syntec as an alternative. Royal Purple is another synthetic oil and a good alternative. I currently have it in my car and it seems fine. > In the US, BMW synthetic oil is supposedly made by Castro So, when did they lift the ban on Cuban goods? Matthew :) "bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1108406852.927321.12820 @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: > In the US, BMW synthetic oil is supposedly made by Castrol and the same > as its Syntec. If that is true, then those who want to maintain their > cars according to BMW service requirements can use Castro Syntec as an > alternative. FWIW, I just stopped by my dealers parts department and they told me that the BMW full synthetic oil ($4.98 per quart) is *NOT* the same as anything currently sold under the Castrol name. According to the them, it contains extra "additives" specifically designed for BMW engines. > "bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1108406852.927321.12820 > @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > currently sold under the Castrol name. According to the them, it contains > extra "additives" specifically designed for BMW engines. Hands up, everybody that believes that. Just checking. -Russ. >>"bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1108406852.927321.12820 >>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -Russ. Actually - I do. I've seen oil analysis that were done on other BMW oils, and on oils from the same company that produces the oil for BMW. The additive packages were quite a bit different. I see no reason why BMW wouldn't and couldn't and didn't specify a different additive package. If you have some reason to think this - quit with the smart-a.s and let us all know. Otherwise.. it's just your opinion. > >>"bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1108406852.927321.12820 > >>@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > different additive package. If you have some reason to think this - quit > with the smart-a.s and let us all know. Otherwise.. it's just your opinion. Just my opinion, smart-a.s remark retracted. I'm rather surprised, actually, given all the hundreds of types of oil that already exist, that they felt the need to blend something themselves -- and given that, shouldn't we all be worried that we aren't using BMW oil in our cars? The last being the real reason for my skepticism. -Russ. > Actually - I do. I've seen oil analysis that were done on other BMW oils, > and on oils from the same company that produces the oil for BMW. The [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > with the smart-a.s and let us all know. Otherwise.. it's just your > opinion. You may very well be right about the additives, but I think the focus here is on why the price is so high. Unless they can justify this, people will just assume that it's the old "pay through the nose at the dealer" thing. I would gladly pay the price if it could be explained to me and justified. >You may very well be right about the additives, but I think the focus here >is on why the price is so high. Unless they can justify this, people will >just assume that it's the old "pay through the nose at the dealer" thing. > >I would gladly pay the price if it could be explained to me and justified. What high price are you talking about? The other poster said it's $4.98 at his dealer. The BMW synthetic oil has an MSRP of $4.80, according to my last receipt, but my BMW dealer charged me $3.60/qt with my BMWCCA discount last September. I went to Pep Boys and Mobil 1 synthetic costs $5.29/qt. At AutoZone, Castrol Syntec used to cost $4.99/qt. In fact, I've never seen a brand name full synthetic oil for less than about $4/quart which is at Costco for a 6qt Mobil-1 container at just under $24. >>You may very well be right about the additives, but I think the focus here >>is on why the price is so high. Unless they can justify this, people will [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > for less than about $4/quart which is at Costco for a 6qt Mobil-1 > container at just under $24. Sorry, I didn't check prices. I just assumed the OP was complaining about the cost. >"Bob" <rljames@hotmail.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Hands up, everybody that believes that. Which part, that BMW synthetic oil is not the same as anything sold under the Castrol name or that the BMW synthetic oil contains extra additives specifically designed for BMW engines?! The former is a fact, at least for Castrol products sold in the USA, so yes, I believe that. The latter, I don't know. >> "bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1108406852.927321.12820 >> @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > -Russ. Sorry Russ, you're wrong. BMW lubricants sold at dealerships all contain an extra additive (referred to as IVA-Invisible Value Added), to ensure it meets the "IMLS" (Insane Markup Lubricants Standard) specifications. Now-hands up again? Okay, you can all lower your hands. (Both of them Russ). > Sorry Russ, you're wrong. BMW lubricants sold at dealerships all contain an > extra additive (referred to as IVA-Invisible Value Added), to ensure it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Okay, you can all lower your hands. (Both of them Russ). Good one! For the M3 the only oil specified is the BMW one which in the UK is ~US$20 a quart. This makes for US$250 oil changes. > For the M3 the only oil specified is the BMW one which in the UK is > ~US$20 a quart. This makes for US$250 oil changes. My dealer charges 12 gbp a litre for BMW fully synth as used on most of their non M series cars.  Signature*(on a baby-size shirt) "Party -- my crib -- two a.m Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > "bfd" <bfd853@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1108406852.927321.12820 > @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > currently sold under the Castrol name. According to the them, it contains > extra "additives" specifically designed for BMW engines. I was told the same thing by the BMW dealer I buy my oil from. Their parts dept charges only $3.80 per qt. This is less expensive than any other synthetic oil that I see at the auto parts stores. I buy the oil filter at the same time and they are only $8.50. That's even cheaper than most auto parts stores. Who would have thunk you can get such a deal at the dealer? > I was told the same thing by the BMW dealer I buy my oil from. Their > parts dept charges only $3.80 per qt. This is less expensive than any > other synthetic oil that I see at the auto parts stores. I buy the oil > filter at the same time and they are only $8.50. That's even cheaper > than most auto parts stores. Who would have thunk you can get such a > deal at the dealer? Exactly. And lots of US dealers offer 10-20% discounts off THESE prices if you are a member of the BMW Car Club of America. Combine that with the $500-1000 kickbacks BMW-NA sends you for being a member and buying a new BMW ($$$ depends on the model, but also includes $500 for CPO cars, have to be a CCA member for 1 year or more..) and you gotta be a fool NOT to be a CCA member. For those interested: <http://www.bmwcca.org> - and no, I'm only a member (of quite a few years) who finds value in the club. I guess my question was really meant to be focused on whether or not Castrol Syntec was even a synthetic oil at all. Lots of older posts on the subject seem to indicate that it's not and has many, if not all, of the same bad characteristics as petroleum based oil... > What's the latest on Castrol Syntec and it's status as a "synthetic" > oil? Should I be using it in a new 2005 325? If not, what is > recommended and when should I get the Csatrol out? What about Royal > Purple as an alternative? > I guess my question was really meant to be focused on whether or not > Castrol Syntec was even a synthetic oil at all. Lots of older posts on > the subject seem to indicate that it's not and has many, if not all, of > the same bad characteristics as petroleum based oil... Just what do you think synthetics are based on? Snake oil? Signature*There are two kinds of pedestrians... the quick and the dead. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> I guess my question was really meant to be focused on whether or not >> Castrol Syntec was even a synthetic oil at all. Lots of older posts on >> the subject seem to indicate that it's not and has many, if not all, of >> the same bad characteristics as petroleum based oil... > > Just what do you think synthetics are based on? Snake oil? Dunno... Sorry not all of us are as informed. And thanks for the helpful reply, How does Castrol Syntec compare to other "synthetic" oils?
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