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Car Forum / BMW Cars / March 2005Copy of email to customer.service@bmw.co.uk
Sirs I am writing to you to explain the reasons behind my bitter disappointment with BMW. In April 2001, I purchased an 'Approved' 318i from a dealership near High Wycombe. The vehicle was originally manufactured in 1996 and was clearly well cared for, having a full service history with the dealer and so I thought that it would be prudent to continue this arrangement. During my four years of ownership, I have remained faithful to the dealership and ensured that the vehicle has received regular servicing, including a 'full service' of the air conditioning system in 2003. Thankfully, there have been no major problems with the vehicle, with the exception of a blown head gasket, which your staff assured me was due to 'a dodgy gasket - a million to one chance'! Today, my car was presented to the dealer for its '65,000 mile service' (which, I am assured is low mileage for a BMW of this age; to quote your staff again: 'These cars run for ever'). A 'phone call from the dealer informed me that the inspection had been paused, since the engineer had discovered problems requiring immediate attention, incurring a cost of approximately ?2,000.00! (Please understand that all previous services have been carried out at a cost of between ?300.00 and ?500.00.) When I naturally enquired after the nature of the work (expecting the engineer to immediately inform me of some major impending disaster) I was treated to an exhaustive list of trivial issues, beginning with 'The wiper blades need replacing' and including 'The air conditioning belt is about to split'. Apparently, the air conditioning belt is not inspected during a 'full service' of the air conditioning system. I was then informed that it would cost about ?1,000.00 to simply repair the car to a roadworthy condition. After establishing that the vehicle is only valued at the cost of the service, we finally agreed that I would pay ?340.00 for the 'work carried out so far'. (This included replacing the screenwash; if the engineer had bothered to open the boot, he would have found a full bottle of screenwash to the right.) In short, I paid ?340.00 for a piece of paper telling me that my car is a pile of crap. This may sound dramatic, however your staff agreed wholeheartedly with my analysis. At this point, I would like to congratulate you on the impeccable standards that you continually maintain in the manufacture of motor cars! This is my first BMW, after many years of driving vehicles originating from Germany, Japan, USA and the rest of Europe. The unbelieveble experience of comfort, control and freedom that I associate with driving your cars compensates abundantly for the patronising attitude of your sales staff from Windsor to Worthing ("Have you driven a BMW before?") I will continue to drive my beautiful 318i for as long as I can. However, unlike yesterday, I cannot continue to support or recommend your products in any way. Basically, I wouldn't buy a new one if you begged me to; at least not until somebody can adequately explain how such a wonderful machine can become a 'write-off' in the space of twelve months. I am certain that the fact you are opening a new dealership at the end of my street and that the servicing of my 'old' car holds very little profit for you is totally unrelated to the the reasons behind my resentment of your company. With sadness Julian Edge. cacked this fuckin treat out! >Sirs > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > >Julian Edge. mejulies out! - SCREAMINGWITCH! SHEFFIELD FORUM UNMODERATED http://freeuktalksheffield.hyperboards.com/ http://www.geocities.com/screamingwitch2000/FUKTS.html When you post peoples personal info, It's show that you have nothing left and have been spanked real good. To bad you fell for that phony # and addy.=(PMD.alt.talk.bollocks PI revealer) This is what happened. I was riding home on my mule holding my rooster and hen. My mule stopped on me. Now my mule won't move until I scratch him behind the ears. Well the pastor's wife was walking by. I only said "Pardon me Mrs. Hillbunker but would you hold my cock and pullet while I scratch my a.s", and the next thing I know is that the police have me on the ground, handcuffed, and beating me with billy clubs. Tavish "You have a woman's hand, milord! I'll wager these dainty pinkies never weighed anchor in a storm." "Your skin milord. I'll wager it ne'er felt the lash of a cat ['o' nine tails], been rubbed with salt, and then flayed off by a pirate chief to make fine stockings for his best cabin boy." "Ha. -Aah! You have a woman's purse! I'll wager that purse has never been used as a rowing-boat. I'll wager it's never had sixteen shipwrecked mariners tossing in it." "Oh! You have a woman's mouth, milord! I'll wager that mouth never had to chew through the side of a ship to escape the dreadful spindly killer fish. " - Mad Captain Rum PROMOTE YOOSNET.....X-POST! Look into my eyes and it's easy to see One and one make two, two and one make three, It was destiny. Once every hundred-thousand years or so, When the sun doth shine and the moon doth glow And the grass doth grow... Needless to say, the beast was stunned. Whip-crack went his schwumpy tail, And the beast was done. He asked us: "(snort) Be you angels?" And we said, "Nay. We are but men." Rock! alt.pmd.spank.my.arse.please alt.pmd.spank.my.big.arse.please alt.pmd.spank.my.big.red.arse.please alt.pmd.biggest.spanked.looser.on.usenet SUBSCRIBE! Breaker, breaker, lookout, watch your back Be afraid there's a Frisbee-like cat who's a mighty sharp blade. So the feared and revered reputation was made of..... Sailcat "You're a very empty person. If I were of a superstitious bent, I would seriously pray for you. Being of a more rational mien, I realise you are simply irredeemable. Whoever turned you into the person you are has a lot to answer for, one way or another."---JAF:uk.misc i change my sig everree now and then.its no big deal... like an insect that needs attention with a can of aerosol and a lighter,, they are both short lived "No one takes any notice of trolls posting through alt.net.news or whatever anonymous server you idiots use." -- Mike Clayton mhm35x29 OFM#20 Frater V.V.L Hierophant Temple of Anubis No.2 Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn Rosicrucian Order of Alpha et Omega. PMD: is a rancid, deviant, corpse-popping mucus goblin PMD: is a pungent, runny, cornhole-fixated crotch Jedi PMD: is a cocksucking, cancerous, colon-pulling pickle champion PMD: is a crummy, insane, mucus-abusing fudge champion PMD: is a semi-retarded, foul-smelling, cow-sh.tting dog merchant PMD: is a foul, monstrous, cornhole-absorbing corpse yanker PMD: is a filthy, putrid, butt-humping crap champion PMD: is a idiotic, moronic, whore-drinking fudge merchant PMD: is a ignorant, aromatic, diarrhea-yanking a.shole excavator def leppard....that is all "Screamingwitch??????" <herwitchieness@witcheeevilfucker.com.com> wrote in message Hiya gorgeous! > mejulies out! Strictly a 'one-off', mate. cacked this fuckin treat out! >"Screamingwitch©®²°°¾" <herwitchieness@witcheeevilfucker.com.com> wrote in >message [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Strictly a 'one-off', mate. send us an email ya slag! - SCREAMINGWITCH! SHEFFIELD FORUM UNMODERATED http://freeuktalksheffield.hyperboards.com/ http://www.geocities.com/screamingwitch2000/FUKTS.html When you post peoples personal info, It's show that you have nothing left and have been spanked real good. To bad you fell for that phony # and addy.=(PMD.alt.talk.bollocks PI revealer) This is what happened. I was riding home on my mule holding my rooster and hen. My mule stopped on me. Now my mule won't move until I scratch him behind the ears. Well the pastor's wife was walking by. I only said "Pardon me Mrs. Hillbunker but would you hold my cock and pullet while I scratch my a.s", and the next thing I know is that the police have me on the ground, handcuffed, and beating me with billy clubs. Tavish "You have a woman's hand, milord! I'll wager these dainty pinkies never weighed anchor in a storm." "Your skin milord. I'll wager it ne'er felt the lash of a cat ['o' nine tails], been rubbed with salt, and then flayed off by a pirate chief to make fine stockings for his best cabin boy." "Ha. -Aah! You have a woman's purse! I'll wager that purse has never been used as a rowing-boat. I'll wager it's never had sixteen shipwrecked mariners tossing in it." "Oh! You have a woman's mouth, milord! I'll wager that mouth never had to chew through the side of a ship to escape the dreadful spindly killer fish. " - Mad Captain Rum PROMOTE YOOSNET.....X-POST! Look into my eyes and it's easy to see One and one make two, two and one make three, It was destiny. Once every hundred-thousand years or so, When the sun doth shine and the moon doth glow And the grass doth grow... Needless to say, the beast was stunned. Whip-crack went his schwumpy tail, And the beast was done. He asked us: "(snort) Be you angels?" And we said, "Nay. We are but men." Rock! alt.pmd.spank.my.arse.please alt.pmd.spank.my.big.arse.please alt.pmd.spank.my.big.red.arse.please alt.pmd.biggest.spanked.looser.on.usenet SUBSCRIBE! Breaker, breaker, lookout, watch your back Be afraid there's a Frisbee-like cat who's a mighty sharp blade. So the feared and revered reputation was made of..... Sailcat "You're a very empty person. If I were of a superstitious bent, I would seriously pray for you. Being of a more rational mien, I realise you are simply irredeemable. Whoever turned you into the person you are has a lot to answer for, one way or another."---JAF:uk.misc i change my sig everree now and then.its no big deal... like an insect that needs attention with a can of aerosol and a lighter,, they are both short lived "No one takes any notice of trolls posting through alt.net.news or whatever anonymous server you idiots use." -- Mike Clayton mhm35x29 OFM#20 Frater V.V.L Hierophant Temple of Anubis No.2 Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn Rosicrucian Order of Alpha et Omega. PMD: is a rancid, deviant, corpse-popping mucus goblin PMD: is a pungent, runny, cornhole-fixated crotch Jedi PMD: is a cocksucking, cancerous, colon-pulling pickle champion PMD: is a crummy, insane, mucus-abusing fudge champion PMD: is a semi-retarded, foul-smelling, cow-sh.tting dog merchant PMD: is a foul, monstrous, cornhole-absorbing corpse yanker PMD: is a filthy, putrid, butt-humping crap champion PMD: is a idiotic, moronic, whore-drinking fudge merchant PMD: is a ignorant, aromatic, diarrhea-yanking a.shole excavator def leppard....that is all <uk.rec.cars.misc , Julian Edge , julian.edgePLEASE@DONTSPAMzen.co.uk> <4227700e$0$32605$db0fefd9@news.zen.co.uk> <Thu, 3 Mar 2005 20:13:52 -0000> > In April 2001, I purchased an 'Approved' 318i from a dealership near High > Wycombe. You failed to say for how much .  Signaturewww.krustov.co.uk (krustys tv pick of the week) "Krustov" <vroomvroom@krustov.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message >> In April 2001, I purchased an 'Approved' 318i from a dealership near High >> Wycombe. > > You failed to say for how much . What's that got to do with it? (318 in 2001 from a dealer? I'd say between ?10k - ?15k depending on mileage / bodywork / salesman) > "Krustov" <vroomvroom@krustov.co.uk.INVALID> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > What's that got to do with it? So we can all point and laugh. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message >> > You failed to say for how much . >> >> What's that got to do with it? > > So we can all point and laugh. You need an excuse? > "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You need an excuse? It's even funnier when you find out he paid several grand over the odds for a heap of shite ;-) SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message > It's even funnier when you find out he paid several grand over the odds > for a heap of shite ;-) I guess I'm not smart like you. How much do you think? <tumbleweed> > Sirs > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > In April 2001, I purchased an 'Approved' 318i from a dealership near High > Wycombe. That's what you get for buying an E36 I'm afraid. They're the biggest heap of shite ever to wear the BMW badge. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message > That's what you get for buying an E36 I'm afraid. > > They're the biggest heap of shite ever to wear the BMW badge. Arguable. Don't forget the 'Compact', not to mention the stuff they're pushing out since. > Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' <LOL!> Bin there! I'd rather have the Beamer ;0 > "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Arguable. Don't forget the 'Compact', not to mention the stuff they're > pushing out since. Well, the Compact took the worst bits of the E30 and the E36 and put them in a very expensive, ugly package. The new stuff may be ugly, but the E36 and Compact was an all-time low for BMW, certainly in terms of build quality anyway. > > Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' > > <LOL!> Bin there! I'd rather have the Beamer ;0 More reliable and durable than an E36. My brother has an E36 and it's in worse condition than my 3 years older Alfa 75. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # >> That's what you get for buying an E36 I'm afraid. >> >> They're the biggest heap of shite ever to wear the BMW badge. > Arguable. Don't forget the 'Compact', not to mention the stuff they're > pushing out since. Who said "X3" and "1-series"? >> Steve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' > <LOL!> Bin there! I'd rather have the Beamer ;0 Bin there. Two E36s, a 155 and a 75. Sorry, Munich. I'm in Milan. > > <LOL!> Bin there! I'd rather have the Beamer ;0 > > Bin there. Two E36s, a 155 and a 75. Sorry, Munich. I'm in Milan. Hmm. The large, international community (for this is also cross-posted to alt.autos.bmw) which will read this may not have a clue what you are referring to - since Alfas are only actually sold in markets where folks develop hopeless attachments to slipshod manufacturing technology and comedy rust-proofing. And as Alfa Romeo has never actually been capable of profitably building a world-class car, I don't see this changing any time soon. Note to everyone else: "155" and "75" are four-door Alfa Romeos. You didn't miss much. :) > > > <LOL!> Bin there! I'd rather have the Beamer ;0 > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > capable of profitably building a world-class car, I don't see this > changing any time soon. <yawn> World beaters: AlfaSud Bertone GTV Alfetta GTV Spider 156 147 166 Montreal Do I need to go on? Rust problems were solved around 1990, which is why my 75 and 155 are both less rusty than my brother's 1992 3-series. > Note to everyone else: "155" and "75" are four-door Alfa Romeos. You > didn't miss much. > > :) You just caught sight of a blur as the 75 flew past your Bavarian shite on a twisty road. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > Note to everyone else: "155" and "75" are four-door Alfa Romeos. You > didn't miss much. 155 was a Tipo in drag. 75 however was a work of art and better to drive than its contemporary 3 series. SignatureWe are the keepers of the sacred words: Ni, Pang, and Ni-wom! > > Note to everyone else: "155" and "75" are four-door Alfa Romeos. You > > didn't miss much. > > 155 was a Tipo in drag. 75 however was a work of art and better to drive > than its contemporary 3 series. I wouldn't go as far as a work of art, but it's automotive engineering at it's best. A car designed by engineers not accountants. Granted, the narrow body 155 was definitely a Tipo in drag, but the widebodies were a lot better. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > > Note to everyone else: "155" and "75" are four-door Alfa Romeos. You > > didn't miss much. > > 155 was a Tipo in drag. 75 however was a work of art and better to drive > than its contemporary 3 series. I can get the "better to drive" bit, but work of art? SignaturePeter Get Circumcised to e-mail me > I can get the "better to drive" bit, but work of art? Well it was more a work of art than the Zagato bodied "Mostro". Signature"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Tangent: Last summer I had a rented Alfa Romeo 147 for a fortnight; I had managed to get Avis to actually supply the requested model (rather than the usual Opel or-whatever-big-brand). I think it's one of the nicest-looking cars in its class and I particularly like the way they make the four-door car look like a coupe. Its 1.9 l turbodiesel was a pleasure to drive along the twisting road along Lake Garda, as well as on the nearby motorways. I am sure it was a coincidence and could have happened on any car but some warning light came on and wouldn't go away. :-) (As I was afraid that Avis would insist on replacing it I didn't report till I returned the car.) Would I buy one in the UK? Probably not. Lousy depreciation. And I am not convinced of the overall reliability despite some positive reports in this thread. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- >> > Note to everyone else: "155" and "75" are four-door Alfa Romeos. You >> > didn't miss much. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I can get the "better to drive" bit, but work of art? > Note to everyone else: "155" and "75" are four-door Alfa Romeos. You > didn't miss much. Note to the parochial... The 75 was sold in the US as the Alfa Milano. [...] > They're the biggest heap of shite ever to wear the BMW badge. Presumably it also has the usual persistent electrical faults which means that the indicators don't work and the headlights are stuck on full beam? SignatureThe holy passion of friendship is so sweet and so steady and loyal and enduring a nature that it will last through a whole lifetime, if not asked to lend money. - Mark Twain > > Sirs > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That's what you get for buying an E36 I'm afraid. Argh! Chippy Brit alert! My E36 was a model of reliability, as were the E36s known to me owned by friends. > They're the biggest heap of shite ever to wear the BMW badge. You've obviously never tried an E23 :) No doubt we are all eager to find out what reply you get. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > Sirs > > I am writing to you to explain the reasons behind my bitter disappointment > with BMW. [...] > No doubt we are all eager to find out what reply you get. > > DAS I just got done telling him he is on his own, I couldn't care less what kind of response he gets unless they offer to buy the car back and give him a new one as a replacement. Barring that, I don't care what they say. "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message > No doubt we are all eager to find out what reply you get. <C/P> Thank you for contacting BMW Customer Service. One of our executives will look into your enquiry to be able to provide you with the necessary reply. > "Dori A Schmetterling" <ng@nospam.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Thank you for contacting BMW Customer Service. One of our executives will > look into your enquiry to be able to provide you with the necessary reply. Get a Haynes manual for the heap. Some tools would help,& a willingness to get your hands grubby. Otherwise, contribute to the executives salary. >Thank you for contacting BMW Customer Service. One of our executives will >look into your enquiry to be able to provide you with the necessary reply. Translation: "We're still laughing." btw: I had a 1987 318i (no idea of the E number) for a few years until some boy racer twatted it up the back in his uninsured 319GTi and wrote it off. Apart from the cooling system from hell, it was a nice motor. Signature.sigmonster on vacation Probably right, both of you. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- >>Thank you for contacting BMW Customer Service. One of our executives will >>look into your enquiry to be able to provide you with the necessary reply. > > Translation: "We're still laughing." [...] >Sirs > >I am writing to you to explain the reasons behind my bitter disappointment >with BMW. I don't have a car. This is not due to lack of money, but because MI5 have bugged every car I have ever owned. Particularly talentless was their breaking into my Suzuki Swift in Ottawa in spring 1995, ten years ago now. The car alarm went off three times in one evening, and the following morning the car emitted a beep which showed it had been broken into. Nothing was taken, but the radio came alive in full duplex mode shortly afterwards. SignatureJealous Gay British Agents Masturbating Outside The Window www.five.org.uk/evidence/#britspy >>Sirs >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >which showed it had been broken into. Nothing was taken, but the radio >came alive in full duplex mode shortly afterwards. Ah, the dangers of a cross post to uk.misc... all the regular kooks come out. Nothing ever changes in there, it's like Groundhog Day. andyt >>>Sirs >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Ah, the dangers of a cross post to uk.misc... all the regular kooks >come out. Nothing ever changes in there, it's like Groundhog Day. And look, there's Andy Turner, Mister Ground Hog himself. SignatureJealous Gay British Agents Masturbating Outside The Window www.five.org.uk/evidence/#britspy >>>>Sirs >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >And look, there's Andy Turner, Mister Ground Hog himself. If this is the best you do, I suggest you spend a little more time thinking up your retorts and less time peering out of the curtains at strangers and inventing scenarios for them. andyt >A 'phone call from the dealer informed me that the inspection had been >paused, since the engineer had discovered problems requiring immediate >attention, incurring a cost of approximately £2,000.00! (Please understand >that all previous services have been carried out at a cost of between >£300.00 and £500.00.) I'm shocked it was that much for a car that's only done 65,000 miles, and now you're writing it off. I'm due to pay £1,309 for my latest service plus MOT and repairs on my Audi 2.6 V6 cabriolet, and she's done 187,000 miles. Cheers, Alex. Signaturehttp://www.munted.org.uk [...] > I'm shocked it was that much for a car that's only done 65,000 miles, > and now you're writing it off. I'm due to pay ?1,309 for my latest > service plus MOT and repairs on my Audi 2.6 V6 cabriolet, and she's > done 187,000 miles. I plan to pay about ?300 for my next car, and I'll be driving it until the engine blows up and the bodywork finally rusts away completely. SignatureA friend of mine once phoned the NOC at the far end of a link, having seen packet loss increasing, and was told "It's the monsoon season here, and we just sent someone outside to bail." - AdB in the Monastery Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Peter Corlett said: > I'll be driving it until > the engine blows up You do know if you don't reach the chequered flag you're allowed to change the engine whether it's done two races or not? Signaturetiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger [...] > You do know if you don't reach the chequered flag you're allowed to > change the engine whether it's done two races or not? Are you allowed to just abandon it at the side of the road and call a taxi? SignaturePGP key ID E85DC776 - finger abuse@mooli.org.uk for full key >[...] >> You do know if you don't reach the chequered flag you're allowed to >> change the engine whether it's done two races or not? > >Are you allowed to just abandon it at the side of the road and call a >taxi? If it's traceable to you, don't. Cheers, Alex. Signaturehttp://www.munted.org.uk [...] >> Are you allowed to just abandon it at the side of the road and call >> a taxi? > If it's traceable to you, don't. Torching cars is the standard method of disposal in the less savoury areas of the country. A scrapyard will charge you good money to take away a car, whereas the fire brigade will remove the charred remains for free. SignaturePGP key ID E85DC776 - finger abuse@mooli.org.uk for full key > A scrapyard will charge you good money to take > away a car, whereas the fire brigade will remove the charred remains > for free. Not any more. Scrap prices have risen, and pikeys are nicking tatty old motors to weigh in again. >Torching cars is the standard method of disposal in the less savoury >areas of the country. A scrapyard will charge you good money to take >away a car Not any more, since the Chinese buying up scrap steel sent the price rocketing. Signature.sigmonster on vacation Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Peter Corlett said: > [...] > > You do know if you don't reach the chequered flag you're allowed to > > change the engine whether it's done two races or not? > > Are you allowed to just abandon it at the side of the road and call a > taxi? No, you have to get on the back of a pizza delivery moped and go and have a chat with somebody called Stewart, or something. Signaturetiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger >I plan to pay about £300 for my next car, and I'll be driving it until >the engine blows up and the bodywork finally rusts away completely. Good plan. Of course, I love my car _too_ much. Cheers, Alex. Signaturehttp://www.munted.org.uk Having an old or valueless car gives one great power, especially in any playing-chicken-style contests on the road. The other road use knows you don't give a damn about dents, dings and scratches...and will always give way... DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > I plan to pay about ?300 for my next car [..] > >A 'phone call from the dealer informed me that the inspection had been > >paused, since the engineer had discovered problems requiring immediate [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > service plus MOT and repairs on my Audi 2.6 V6 cabriolet, and she's > done 187,000 miles. It's a BMW. HTH. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # "Alex Buell" <alex.buell@munted.org.uk> wrote in message >I'm shocked it was that much for a car that's only done 65,000 m Shocked? 'Shat' springs to mind! > and now you're writing it off. I'm not. They wanted ?2K for the service, the man told me the car is worth ?2K (with the service) > I'm due to pay ?1,309 for my latest Alex, shpx bss mate. You would probably have sex with your Audi if you thought Mike Corley wasn't watching. >"Alex Buell" <alex.buell@munted.org.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >I'm not. They wanted £2K for the service, the man told me the car is worth >£2K (with the service) You could have taken it to an cheaper and reputable garage who would have done it for far less outlay. It's what I've done. >> I'm due to pay £1,309 for my latest > >Alex, shpx bss mate. You would probably have sex with your Audi if you >thought Mike Corley wasn't watching. There's probably a law against it. Or something. Cheers, Alex. Signaturehttp://www.munted.org.uk > I'm shocked it was that much for a car that's only done 65,000 miles, > and now you're writing it off. I'm due to pay ?1,309 for my latest > service plus MOT and repairs on my Audi 2.6 V6 cabriolet, and she's > done 187,000 miles. Gotta love German reliability. > > I'm shocked it was that much for a car that's only done 65,000 miles, > > and now you're writing it off. I'm due to pay £1,309 for my latest > > service plus MOT and repairs on my Audi 2.6 V6 cabriolet, and she's > > done 187,000 miles. > > Gotta love German reliability. And the crushing boredom that goes with driving an Audi... Signaturethis guitar never lies >> > I'm shocked it was that much for a car that's only done 65,000 miles, >> > and now you're writing it off. I'm due to pay £1,309 for my latest [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >And the crushing boredom that goes with driving an Audi... I'll get you some day. Cheers, Alex. Signaturehttp://www.munted.org.uk Good luck with this. You are on your own. Your car was manufactured in 1996, so it must be a 1997 model, or I suppose it could be a late model '96. Given we are in '05 now, this makes the car 9 years old, give or take a few months. I would expect a long list of rubber and plastic parts are looking at replacement now or soon. What you need to do is go over the list and buy some of the parts and install them yourself, or pay the dealership to put them on. Either way, move on. > Sirs > [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > > Julian Edge. > Good luck with this. You are on your own. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > long list of rubber and plastic parts are looking at replacement now > or soon. Oh, do me a favour! Nine years and 65k miles is a LONG way from being ancient. The stuff the OP mentioned - drive belts, wipers etc are service items. Still, what can we expect from a top poster who seems to be allergic to snipping posts? > > Good luck with this. You are on your own. > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Still, what can we expect from a top poster who seems to be allergic to > snipping posts? First of all, take your complaints of top posting and blow them out your a.s. Second, I agree that the car is a long way from ancient, and third, the point is that the rubber and plastic parts should be approaching end life. In any case, except for the sitcker shock that it costs so much to repair, I think there is nothing at all wrong here except the complaints that there is sticker shock. I once bought a used car that was only 3 years old. I took it for an oil change and the guy came back with a list of over $5000 (USD) of stuff he wanted me to buy. I recognized it as the ploy that it was, got the fresh oil and kept my money for the other stuff. I never went back and I still own the car. If I were in the OP's position, my letter would be to the General Manager of the dealership to express my displeasure at the attempted fleecing, and tell him that he just lost a valuable client. I would not bother to write BMW. My advice to the OP stands, get the stuff you can't do yourself done. Figure out what you can do and do it yourself. Since the car is 9 years old, perhaps an independant mechanic that specializes in BMW would be a better choice than dealer servicing from here on out. <snip> > First of all, take your complaints of top posting and blow them out your > a.s. <snip> But you still obliged, for which I and others that dislike top-posting, thank you. Agree with your other comments about independent servicing, and relative low age and mileage. To the OP: Even if your car is only worth the cost of the repairs, that's still cheaper than buying a new car right? Divide the cost of repairs by 12 months, and see if it works out less than finance payments on a replacement. Think of it as an investment in another 4 years of happy motoring. Good luck! "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message > If I were in the OP's position, my letter would be to the General Manager > of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > here > on out. Thanks Jeff! I figured that out a few hours before opening a beer and posting to newsnet but that's the first sane reply I've seen! >"Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >I figured that out a few hours before opening a beer and posting to newsnet >but that's the first sane reply I've seen! I think you figured it out at least 3 years too late! andyt > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > I figured that out a few hours before opening a beer and posting to newsnet > but that's the first sane reply I've seen! You're welcome. Here is some stuff to keep in mind. You love your car, BUT it is a base model that the Dealer would love to get you out of. If you were driving a 9-year old Ford Escort, you would expect the dealer service guys to lock the doors with you on the outside, and send you over to the Sales Department. The BMW dealer service is no different. The dealership wants you out of the Old Base Model and into a New Upgrade Model. They will take getting you into a new base model if that is all they can get, but "new" is the operative word, not base or upgrade. They own the boat here, but you are driving it. If you want your old car repaired - and I have no reason to think repairing it is a bad idea - then your choices are to have the dealer do it, finding an independant to do it, or do it yourself. Of course there are variations on the dealer or the independant doing it and you doing it, but I advise that having the dealer and the independant share in the repairs is a very bad idea. Of these options, I would find a local independant for the big jobs and learn how to replace belts and hoses myself. If the independants are not around, then I would still replace belts and hoses, and only let the dealer do the stuff that demands specialized tools or expertise. In my humble opinion, the ONLY reason to step foot inside a dealership is for a new car, or for a part that is only available from the dealer. I have owned my BMW for just over 4 years and over 100,000 miles, and the only time my dealership has seen my car is when I drive by, and on a few occasions when I needed a part or two. I have needed some major service early in my ownership experience, and I went to the local independant because I haven't the special tools that were required. "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message > Good luck with this. You are on your own. Ah, no longer. Thanks, newsnet! > Your car was manufactured in 1996, so it must be a 1997 model, or I > suppose > it could be a late model '96. Given we are in '05 now, this makes the car > 9 > years old, give or take a few months. I would expect a long list of rubber > and plastic parts are looking at replacement now or soon. Indeed, sir. As I said, I love the car, it's just the attitude / staff / je ne sais quoi / whatever / dare I say principle? Besides, most of the rubber and plastic bits have been replaced several times in the last few years, along with the head gasket and the rear suspension arms. I've never been 'shocked' until now. And fair play, the car has *never* let me down, which is more than I can say for my old Alpha. > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > And fair play, the car has *never* let me down, which is more than I can say > for my old Alpha. What's one of those, then? SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message >> for my old Alpha. > > What's one of those, then? Like a cross between a Pherrrarri and a Phord ;) Yeah, Greek version. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Like a cross between a Pherrrarri and a Phord ;) > "SteveH" <steve@italiancar.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Like a cross between a Pherrrarri and a Phord ;) ...made by Phiat :) A SignatureTrade Oil in € >> And fair play, the car has *never* let me down, which is more than I >> can say for my old Alpha. > What's one of those, then? I think he's complaining about his local church's brainwashing "courses"... http://alphacourse.org/ Religion. BMW. Yep, can see the similarity. > >> And fair play, the car has *never* let me down, which is more than I > >> can say for my old Alpha. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I think he's complaining about his local church's brainwashing "courses"... > http://alphacourse.org/ Heh. Thanks for that. I've seen the posters loads of times, but never actually looked for it. Going to have to read it now. > Religion. BMW. Yep, can see the similarity. Heh. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > And fair play, the car has *never* let me down, which is more than I can say > for my old Alpha. Sorry to have sounded so harsh. Your beef is not with the factory, it's with the General Manager of the dealership. That is where your letters should be going. I forget why you went into the dealership in the first place, but your car has at least another 140,000 MILES left in it. I have over 200,000 miles on my '94, and it is in no danger of leaving me stranded anytime soon. I suspect you are the victim of a service department that works on commission, and that is your complaint. It would be my complaint if I were in your shoes. "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message > Sorry to have sounded so harsh. No worries! (Never apologise, never explain!) > I forget why you went into the dealership in the first place I wanted a 2yo Honda Coupe originally, but I couldn't find one that I could sit in and drive without permanent spinal injury. Then I looked at Toyotas (thrashed) Fords (Ha!) and every damn car between here and fifty mile aways. I'd driven Beamers before, but never owned one. This was the second 318 that I 'fell in love with' - the first one was smashed, in reverse into a security bollard by a member of staff at John Cooper in Reading, but I'll only tell that story over a pint! , but your car > has at least another 140,000 MILES left in it. I have over 200,000 miles > on [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and that is your complaint. It would be my complaint if I were in your > shoes. You have wisdom beyond my ears! At least they gave it a decent valet. I hope it doesn't rain tonight. > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message > > > Sorry to have sounded so harsh. > > No worries! (Never apologise, never explain!) Now you're making me feel bad. I all but called you an idiot, and you are telling me not to apologize - except you spell it wrong ;-) > > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Now you're making me feel bad. I all but called you an idiot, and you are > telling me not to apologize - except you spell it wrong ;-) I apologise but are you Merkin? He spelt it in English, you see. SignatureBob Mc (der Brit in der Schweiz) >> > "Jeff Strickland" <spamcatcher@yahoo.net> wrote in message >> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I apologise but are you Merkin? > He spelt it in English, you see. I know. And, yes, I am from the Colonies. "Julian Edge" <julian.edgePLEASE@DONTSPAMzen.co.uk> wrote in message > Sirs > > I am writing to you to explain the reasons behind my bitter disappointment > with BMW. Oi, Huge! What was that link again? > "Julian Edge" <julian.edgePLEASE@DONTSPAMzen.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Oi, Huge! What was that link again? http://www.honda.co.uk/ ? SignatureNot to be used for the other use >Sirs > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >for, having a full service history with the dealer and so I thought that it >would be prudent to continue this arrangement. So it's nearly 10 years old and needs £2,000 of work. Isn't that not exactly a shock? Have you tried taking the list of faults elsewhere and seeing how much they charge to fix those faults? >I will continue to drive my beautiful 318i for as long as I can. Sell it, get another car. Just how beautiful can a 9-year old 318 be? andyt "Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > So it's nearly 10 years old and needs ?2,000 of work. Isn't that not > exactly a shock? Have you tried taking the list of faults elsewhere > and seeing how much they charge to fix those faults? <sigh> You are missing the point, Andy. I'll do that now. *I* know that the car is fine. She'll run until one of us dies. However, BMFuckingW have rewarded my loyalty by kicking me in the bollocks and thus failing to endear me sufficiently to retain my custom. >>I will continue to drive my beautiful 318i for as long as I can. > > Sell it, get another car. Just how beautiful can a 9-year old 318 be? Sell it and buy what? I've owned the car for four years. I think I know a little more about it than any of you. > >>I will continue to drive my beautiful 318i for as long as I can. > > > > Sell it, get another car. Just how beautiful can a 9-year old 318 be? > > Sell it and buy what? Anything that isn't an E36. SignatureSteve H 'You're not a real petrolhead unless you've owned an Alfa Romeo' http://www.italiancar.co.uk - Honda VFR800 - MZ ETZ300 VW Golf GL Cabrio - Alfa 75 TS - VW Passat 1.8T 20V SE - COSOC KOTL BoTAFOT #87 - BoTAFOF #18 - MRO # - UKRMSBC #7 - Apostle #2 - YTC # Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Julian Edge said: > Sell it and buy what? I know several people who enjoy driving Honda Accords. Signaturetiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger >Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Julian Edge said: >> >> Sell it and buy what? > >I know several people who enjoy driving Honda Accords. <sfx: chant> Rice burner! Rice burner! Rice burner! Cheers, Alex. Signaturehttp://www.munted.org.uk "N.LENN@WKX.KM.EU" <davebudd@ukmisc.org.uk> wrote in message > I know several people who enjoy driving Honda Accords. You also know several people who think they are trains. > "N.LENN@WKX.KM.EU" <davebudd@ukmisc.org.uk> wrote in message > > > I know several people who enjoy driving Honda Accords. > > You also know several people who think they are trains. Choo!! Choo!! Chaboogie, baby! SignatureI am not a slut, though thank the gods I am foul >"Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >*I* know that the car is fine. Then you don't need to get the work done, since *you* know it's fine. Problem solved. > However, BMFuckingW have rewarded my loyalty by kicking me in the > bollocks and thus failing to endear me sufficiently to retain my custom. You'd be a fool to think that they're going to reward loyalty. Your value as a customer simply diminishes. If you were a regular purchaser of new cars then perhaps, but you've got a 9-year old car and have had for many years. Maintaining a full service history incidentally is total folly if you're planning on having the car for so long. Just consider how much extra you think you're going to get for your car with a FBMWSH, compared to how much extra you've spent taking your car to the main dealer. I *honestly* wouldn't be surprised if they were actually trying to get shut of you as a customer because they'd rather work on newer cars where the work is more predictable and goes to plan because things aren't seized up, broken, worn or threaded. >>>I will continue to drive my beautiful 318i for as long as I can. >> >> Sell it, get another car. Just how beautiful can a 9-year old 318 be? > >Sell it and buy what? A newer one if you want - or *any* other car. Whatever takes your fancy. Have a change. Put that £2000 saved towards >I've owned the car for four years. I think I know a little more about it >than any of you. "Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > You'd be a fool to think that they're going to reward loyalty. They would be fools not to have seen the blatant coercive use of 'customer loyalty' as a weapon of control in today's consumerist society. > I *honestly* wouldn't be surprised if they were actually trying to get > shut of you as a customer because they'd rather work on newer cars > where the work is more predictable and goes to plan because things > aren't seized up, broken, worn or threaded. Now you are srarting to think. Wouldn't it be nice, though'but if they were to consider the political / marketing / socially responsible effects of encouraging the ideas of maintaining the planets resources through reliability and longevity of design? They've actually built a car that will 'run for ever' and they choose to penalise me because I bought one. See? Now I'm rambling. Curse you, Turner! >"Andy Turner" <andyt@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message > >> You'd be a fool to think that they're going to reward loyalty. > >They would be fools not to have seen the blatant coercive use of 'customer >loyalty' as a weapon of control in today's consumerist society. Yeah, but from their point of view, this loyalty hasn't manifested itself in a new purchase. I think the manufacturers are only going to be interested in maintaining customer loyalty if it means you loyally purchase a new one every few years, rather than 'loyally' hang onto the same one for years. >Wouldn't it be nice, though'but if they were to consider the political / >marketing / socially responsible effects of encouraging the ideas of >maintaining the planets resources through reliability and longevity of >design? They could perhaps argue that trying to get you to run a newer car *is* actually greener than persisting with the older one. >See? Now I'm rambling. Curse you, Turner! hehe, I'm sat here playing GTA:SA on an adjacent PC screen (PS2 hooked up to it), where a car is lucky to last me six minutes, nevermind six years! andyt [...] > They could perhaps argue that trying to get you to run a newer car > *is* actually greener than persisting with the older one. I gather that cars generate more pollution in their manufacture than they produce in their lifetime. So keeping a rustbucket on the road (assuming minor repairs) makes good environmental sense. SignatureI want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details. - Albert Einstein "Peter Corlett" <abuse@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk> wrote in message >> They could perhaps argue that trying to get you to run a newer car >> *is* actually greener than persisting with the older one. > > I gather that cars generate more pollution in their manufacture than > they produce in their lifetime. So keeping a rustbucket on the road > (assuming minor repairs) makes good environmental sense. Indeed. Again I cry (excuse me) HUGE! WHERE'S THAT FEKKIN LINK? Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Cockburn said: > "Peter Corlett" <abuse@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Indeed. Again I cry (excuse me) HUGE! WHERE'S THAT FEKKIN LINK? I think he's gorn to the US Signaturetiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger >> > I gather that cars generate more pollution in their manufacture than >> > they produce in their lifetime. So keeping a rustbucket on the road [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >I think he's gorn to the US Tried the uk.transport FAQ ? I'm doing my bit for old car usage - when I'm not in my spaceship. SignatureElvis Notargiacomo master AT barefaced DOT cheek http://www.notatla.org.uk/goen/ Elections must be close. Simon Hughes MP (LibDem) (well, an assistant) has replied to my letter from 9 months ago. Well, old chap, it might help if you give a hint of what it is supposed to be about. The various links reposted don't seem to satisfy your requirements. http://alphacourse.org/ ? DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] >> Indeed. Again I cry (excuse me) HUGE! WHERE'S THAT FEKKIN LINK? [...] Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Dori A Schmetterling said: > Well, old chap, it might help if you give a hint of what it is supposed to > be about. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >> Indeed. Again I cry (excuse me) HUGE! WHERE'S THAT FEKKIN LINK? > [...] No, I didn't say that. That was Julian. Signaturetiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger tiger >Well, old chap, it might help if you give a hint of what it is supposed to >be about. Perhaps if you read, and posted, in the correct order, it might have made sense. Top-posting makes Baby Jesus cry. SignatureThe point of education is to correct ignorance. It cannot deal with stupidity. (Mortimer Hebblethwaite, uk.misc) >>Well, old chap, it might help if you give a hint of what it is supposed to >>be about. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Top-posting makes Baby Jesus cry. Jeez, more top-post-whining. Learn to read more than one style of post Linz.. it's really not *that* hard.... andyt >Jeez, more top-post-whining. Learn to read more than one style of post >Linz.. it's really not *that* hard.... Shut up and put up with it, or get lost. Cheers, Alex. Signaturehttp://www.munted.org.uk >>Jeez, more top-post-whining. Learn to read more than one style of post >>Linz.. it's really not *that* hard.... > >Shut up and put up with it LOL! Put up with what? The whining? > or get lost. From where exactly? andyt > "Peter Corlett" <abuse@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk> wrote in message [...] >> I gather that cars generate more pollution in their manufacture >> than they produce in their lifetime. So keeping a rustbucket on the >> road (assuming minor repairs) makes good environmental sense. > Indeed. Again I cry (excuse me) HUGE! WHERE'S THAT FEKKIN LINK? http://bangernomics.tripod.com/ ? SignatureBeer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin "Peter Corlett" <abuse@dopiaza.cabal.org.uk> wrote in message > http://bangernomics.tripod.com/ ? Dat de wan! Thank you, Sir! |
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