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Car Forum / BMW Cars / March 2005Fair price for 3-series
For the following: 2005 325Ci Coupe Titanium Silver Metallic Black Leatherette Sport Package Power Front Seats w/ Driver Memory Xenon Website MSRP of $35,665, and my local dealer is offering for $34,000. In your opinion -- fair price? If it matters, this is in Westchester County, NY.  SignatureCharles C. Shyu http://home.earthlink.net/~shyuc/shyu.html > For the following: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > your opinion -- fair price? If it matters, this is in Westchester County, > NY. That's not a bad price for a loss-leader. About $1500 under MSRP is fairly standard; it might be possible to get another $500 off, but... you are in a high-rent county. Floyd >> That's not a bad price for a loss-leader. Excuse my naivety, what's a "loss-leader"? Thanks, Joe "Joe C" <no-more-spam@no-spam.com> wrote > "fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote > >>> That's not a bad price for a loss-leader. > > Excuse my naivety, what's a "loss-leader"? > Thanks, Joe A "loss leader" is a product (car or other consumer product) that is usually the least expensive "value" model in a product line. The pricing and features are used to get the customer in the door (often then the customer will get the ol' bait and switch...) The loss leader doesn't make a lot of profit - I've heard that the Ford Focus (and old Escort), Dodge Neon, etc., actually are sold at losses for instance - and is mostly used for marketing. In the case of BMW in the US, the 325i is the least expensive model. Usually each dealer will have a few with just a couple of options (like the OP's - metallic paint, sport package, Xenon and power seats are about $3K IIRC) that make it slightly more attractive than a stripper (no one in the US wants a stripper!) Floyd >> "fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > more attractive than a stripper (no one in the US wants > a stripper!) I do... When I was looking at the original post I thought to myself, "Self, why does he want the sport package on a stripper?" I don't buy new cars as a rule because I prefer not to experience the massive depreciation, but if I were to I would order the 325i w/ leatherette, 5-speed, maybe the mettalic paint and maybe the Xenons, but that's all. These cars come pretty well equiped in their "stripped" form, IMO. I also would never worry about the resale value on a car when considering buying it new. Note, leasing is a different story, but I will not get into that here. Remember: You will never get the money back that you put into the options that you don't want or need. Resale value is only a prediction, not written in stone, so you really never know what will happen. As long as you are buying (not leasing) you can always just keep the car longer rather than turning it over and thereby further amortizing the depreciation hit. -Fred W PS - I do not believe for a minute that any car company sells their cars (msrp) at a loss. You might be able to buy a copy at below cost, but they would nbever intentionally price them that way, even as a "loss leader". You know the joke; "They can sell them at a loss because they make it up in volume." ;-) They may be able to pull out stats that show they do, but you know what they say about statistics and lies... "The Malt Hound" <Malt_Hound@*no spam please*yahoo.com> wrote > "fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote >> In the case of BMW in the US, the 325i is the least expensive [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > but that's all. These cars come pretty well equiped in their > "stripped" form, IMO. I completely agree. Now, my '01 330xi has a few more options than that, but I can see buying a 325i with Xenons and sports package. FYI, my car is one of the very few in the US without a sunroof! Floyd <snip> > -Fred W > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > They may be able to pull out stats that show they do, but you know what > they say about statistics and lies... Fred, well proven fact in the UK that when British Leyland (or BMC as they were at the time) first produced the original mini, Ford couldn't work out how they were doing it so cheap and losing sales to it, so they bought a few and took them apart, costing the parts as they went. BMC sold the mini for the first 2 years of production at a loss!! By which time it had earned such a strong foothold and following in the marketplace that they could (and did) put up the price into a respectable profit margin. This has been admitted to in recent documentaries about the rise and fall of the British motor industry, by then employees at senior management level. As far as I know, this is the only proven documented case. Badger. >> "fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > and power seats are about $3K IIRC) that make it slightly > more attractive than a stripper (no one in the US wants a stripper!) Oh yeah? ;-) Jeff > Floyd > > "fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > more attractive than a stripper (no one in the US wants > a stripper!) Huh??? A "loss leader", by very definition, loses money for a company when and if it sells (hence its usage as bait). And this car is very definitely not that. Since BMW makes a profit on it when the car sells to the dealer for $32895, and the dealer profits also when it sells to the customer for roughly $1100 over that. Now, if a person truly does want to buy this car as a "loss leader", then just wait a few months. Because the incoming new 3 will certainly push the prices of the old 3 deeply into the red. Rob >"Joe C" <no-more-spam@no-spam.com> wrote >> "fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Focus (and old Escort), Dodge Neon, etc., actually are sold at >losses for instance - and is mostly used for marketing. BMW's line-up of products is not deep enough to them to require, or to afford, a "loss leader". I'm sure the 325 is reasonably profitable. |
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