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Car Forum / BMW Cars / January 2006

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Low oil pressure-BMW 530I

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Charles McMillen - 31 Mar 2005 03:39 GMT
My Bmw has 150,000 miles on it and has been religiously maintained.  I'm
now getting the "low oil pressure" readout along with the warning bell.
This happens when the car is warmed-up and then parked for a few minutes.
Then it occurs at every stoplight.  Once cooled down, it does not recur
until it is stopped and then restarted. Is this mechanical or just a tired
engine??
fbloogyudsr - 31 Mar 2005 03:48 GMT
> My Bmw has 150,000 miles on it and has been religiously maintained.  I'm
> now getting the "low oil pressure" readout along with the warning bell.
> This happens when the car is warmed-up and then parked for a few minutes.
> Then it occurs at every stoplight.  Once cooled down, it does not recur
> until it is stopped and then restarted. Is this mechanical or just a tired
> engine??

What model/year?  IIRC, the V8's from the E34's (93-96?) had a problem
with oil-pump bolts backing out.  If it's a 6-cylinder M30, it's more likely
to be a spun bearing on the cam or crank.

Floyd
JimV - 31 Mar 2005 04:24 GMT
>> My Bmw has 150,000 miles on it and has been religiously maintained.  I'm
>> now getting the "low oil pressure" readout along with the warning bell.
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>
> Floyd

Ot it could just be a bad sensor. Hook a real oil pressure gauge to it
before you panic.
Malt_Hound - 31 Mar 2005 14:34 GMT
>>> My Bmw has 150,000 miles on it and has been religiously maintained.  I'm
>>> now getting the "low oil pressure" readout along with the warning bell.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> Ot it could just be a bad sensor. Hook a real oil pressure gauge to it
> before you panic.

Yes, no panic, but at the same time this is not something to be delayed
looking into.  You could do some serious engine damage if there really
is low oil pressure (such as was mentioned with the oil pump bolts).

-Fred W
Charles McMillen - 31 Mar 2005 15:57 GMT
It is a 1995 530I.  A local told me that 1t had 18.7 PSI at 2500 RPM.  Is
this low?  Why would it be sporadic?
fbloogyudsr - 31 Mar 2005 17:10 GMT
"Charles McMillen via CarKB.com" <forum@CarKB.com> wrote
> It is a 1995 530I.  A local told me that 1t had 18.7 PSI at 2500 RPM.  Is
> this low?  Why would it be sporadic?

As I said earlier, I would have the oil pump bolts checked:
http://www.strictlybmw.com/newsletter/importantnotices/v8oilpump.htm
This problem could cause both low, and intermittently low readings.
Definitely don't drive it until you get the problem (whatever it is) fixed.

Floyd
Don - 31 Mar 2005 17:31 GMT
> It is a 1995 530I.  A local told me that 1t had 18.7 PSI at 2500 RPM.  Is
> this low?  Why would it be sporadic?

We can assume by "local" you mean local mechanic?

More important is what is the oil pressure at idle (600-800 RPM)?  The
oil pressure light sensor (a switch) turns the light on at 7PSI. If the
pressure is less than that with the engine warm - you have a problem.

As far as sporadic - it sounds to me as if you described a pattern, not
a sporadic happening. It is OK when the engine is cold (oil is thicker
and clearances are tighter = more oil pressure), it shows up after
running the engine, warming up the oil, stopping the engine (which
transfers more engine heat into the oil - thinning it) and then
restarting the engine. It then shows up when you come to a stop light
(where we can assume the engine is idling.)

The oil pump is engine driven. It puts out more pressure as the engine
speed increases. Oil - especially if you're not using a good quality
multi viscosity - or if the oil has been in the engine too long - tends
to thin out as it gets hotter - thin oil passing through the same
passages as thicker oil = less pressure.  Engine bearing clearances get
wider due to the expansion of the metal as the engine warms up. The
engine is probably warmest when you shut it down hot and then restart it
while it's still hot. Wider bearing clearances allow oil to pass though
the bearings with less back pressure - lowering the oil pressure. ALL of
these can be combined to lower the oil pressure.

Given these symptoms, I have two conclusions:

1. Your oil pressure sender is bad - and triggering the light. It is
turning on at more than 7PSI of oil pressure at idle.

2. Something else is worn/wrong in the engine causing the problem. The
oil may be the wrong grade/viscosity, or may be old. The oil filter may
not be a stock BMW one - and it's causing problems. The oil pump may be
having the mounting bolts backing out problem - causing an internal
engine leak that lowers the oil pressure. The engine may be just plain
worn out due to lack of maintenance. OR all of the above.

I'd try to eliminate #1 first. The part is less than $20USD. It is easy
to install.

If this doesn't solve it - try an oil change with fresh oil of the grade
specified for the engine and a new BMW filter.

If that doesn't solve it - your mechanic is going to need to do some
investigation on the possibilities from #2.
john - 25 Jan 2006 22:48 GMT
>It is a 1995 530I.  A local told me that 1t had 18.7 PSI at 2500 RPM.  Is
>this low?  Why would it be sporadic?
Panic!!!!panic Now! same thing just hapen to me!stop part the car now!!! my
1994 5301 m60 had major pump
problem. Go to www.bentleypublishers and on the e34 forum I published my
problem. Several 10mm
bolts holding my pump together fell out and the remainder of the other 7bolts
were finger loose! I did the pressure test and at idle my pressure was 10lbs
and warm-hot running my pressure droped to 3-4lbs..
light only comes on at idle when warm , warning light comes on .Light goes
out at faster idle of 1000 plus.
email me jblouin@remaxcrown.ca
Dave Plowman (News) - 31 Mar 2005 17:17 GMT
> My Bmw has 150,000 miles on it and has been religiously maintained.  I'm
> now getting the "low oil pressure" readout along with the warning bell.
> This happens when the car is warmed-up and then parked for a few
> minutes. Then it occurs at every stoplight.  Once cooled down, it does
> not recur until it is stopped and then restarted. Is this mechanical or
> just a tired engine??

I'd replace the oil pressure switch first. On both my E28 520 and E34 525
they failed - more than once with the E28. Cheap enough not to worry if it
isn't the fault.

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Charles McMillen - 11 May 2005 21:58 GMT
It was loose oil pump bolts.  One had dropped down in the pan.
Additionally, the oil filter was crumpled in the canister.
john - 26 Jan 2006 18:31 GMT
I TOLD YOU SO!!!!!! SWEET WORDS OF GLOWTING    jblouin@remaxcrown.ca
john blouin canada
>It was loose oil pump bolts.  One had dropped down in the pan.
>Additionally, the oil filter was crumpled in the canister.
 
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