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joanne fee - 09 Apr 2005 20:22 GMT
Hi all, its been a long time since I have been here, hope its as good as
ever!

I have been looking at trading in the 328i se for a 5 series touring due to
an addition to the family and a new golf hobby demanding a more practical
car, looked around and has to be a another beemer!!

I have looked at a nice 525 tds 1998 model, lovely condition nice leather
and full kit, but I have a few concerns about this car.
firstly the current owner (only the second) has only had the car since
December. He has just put new wheels on so he claims and it seems odd to
sell it so soon. He is Russian and claims to want to sell due to returning
home, but why spend the cash on new wheels etc?
Secondly at 50-65 mph I was getting bad steering wheel wobble. This may be
only wheel balancing but could it be something more expensive? I asked about
this and he claims it has only started since adding new 17" alloys which he
got from the net. I have asked him to get the balance checked before I will
be interested.
Lastly there is are 2 lights on the dash that I don't like, one is an air
bag light that does not go out,he claims it just needs reset! and the other
I have never seen before.
It is next to the ASC tell tell light which comes on when ASC is off and is
a yellow picture of a car with and up and down arrow in the middle.In the
manual it mentions auto ride height adjustment and a fault light but does
not show it.. Does this light refer to this? Does this mean there is a fault
with the ride height system?
The car also does not seem too powerful but this may be coming from a 328i,
how much difference in power is there?
It has a full bmw service history last service in march this year, full MOT
etc and looks all ok but these faults are preventing me from going for the
car.
Any advice on these issues would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks all

Jo
John Burns - 09 Apr 2005 20:39 GMT
> I have looked at a nice 525 tds 1998 model, lovely condition nice leather
> and full kit, but I have a few concerns about this car.
> firstly the current owner (only the second) has only had the car since
> December. He has just put new wheels on so he claims and it seems odd to
> sell it so soon. He is Russian and claims to want to sell due to returning
> home, but why spend the cash on new wheels etc?

Maybe the old ones had worn out tyres, so not much more to upgrade.

> Secondly at 50-65 mph I was getting bad steering wheel wobble. This may be
> only wheel balancing but could it be something more expensive? I asked about
> this and he claims it has only started since adding new 17" alloys which he
> got from the net. I have asked him to get the balance checked before I will
> be interested.

Could be a buckled wheel. 17s will show vibration more than 16s as
there's less sidewall to absorb shocks. Also aftermarket alloys are
often of softer / inferior construction and can buckle more easily.

> Lastly there is are 2 lights on the dash that I don't like, one is an air
> bag light that does not go out,he claims it just needs reset! and the other
> I have never seen before.

The airbag light must be reset by the dealer, or with a special tool.
You need to have the fault diagnosed.

> It is next to the ASC tell tell light which comes on when ASC is off and is
> a yellow picture of a car with and up and down arrow in the middle.In the
> manual it mentions auto ride height adjustment and a fault light but does
> not show it.. Does this light refer to this? Does this mean there is a fault
> with the ride height system?

Sounds like self levelling rear suspension.

> The car also does not seem too powerful but this may be coming from a 328i,
> how much difference in power is there?

The 525tds has less bhp but more torque, of course the car is a good bit
heavier. You can have diesel BMWs chipped very effectively.

> It has a full bmw service history last service in march this year, full MOT
> etc and looks all ok but these faults are preventing me from going for the
> car.

See my site's garages review page. Have a pre-purchse inspection
performed.

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joanne fee - 09 Apr 2005 21:10 GMT
>> I have looked at a nice 525 tds 1998 model, lovely condition nice leather
>> and full kit, but I have a few concerns about this car.
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
> See my site's garages review page. Have a pre-purchse inspection
> performed.

thanks for the reply John. I do believe it does have self levelling rear
suspension do you know what the dashboard light being illuminated would
indicate?
John Burns - 10 Apr 2005 09:06 GMT
> thanks for the reply John. I do believe it does have self levelling rear
> suspension do you know what the dashboard light being illuminated would
> indicate?

A malfunction due to an oil leak or low fluid level perhaps? My techie
bought a 93 525iX touring with this system, he had to replace some of
the rear pipework due to rust.

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joanne fee - 10 Apr 2005 10:03 GMT
>> thanks for the reply John. I do believe it does have self levelling rear
>> suspension do you know what the dashboard light being illuminated would
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> bought a 93 525iX touring with this system, he had to replace some of
> the rear pipework due to rust.

Sorry what I was trying to ask is does this light indicate a fault with this
system or the fact that it is operating ?
fbloogyudsr - 11 Apr 2005 02:04 GMT
>> Lastly there is are 2 lights on the dash that I don't like, one is an air
>> bag light that does not go out,he claims it just needs reset! and the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> The airbag light must be reset by the dealer, or with a special tool.
> You need to have the fault diagnosed.

In the US, when a Russian (Bulgarian, etc.) repairs a crashed car,
it is quite common for them *NOT* to replace the blown airbag, because
they're expensive.  Be careful, look for front-end repair tell-tales.

Floyd
deadmail@burnt.org.uk - 11 Apr 2005 06:34 GMT
"fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote in message
<115jj8pp0714700@corp.supernews.com>:

>In the US, when a Russian (Bulgarian, etc.) repairs a crashed car,
>it is quite common for them *NOT* to replace the blown airbag, because
>they're expensive.  Be careful, look for front-end repair tell-tales.

Do you realise how ignorant this sweeping generalisation makes you look?
fbloogyudsr - 11 Apr 2005 14:48 GMT
<deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote
> "fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote
>>In the US, when a Russian (Bulgarian, etc.) repairs a crashed car,
>>it is quite common for them *NOT* to replace the blown airbag, because
>>they're expensive.  Be careful, look for front-end repair tell-tales.
>
> Do you realise how ignorant this sweeping generalisation makes you look?

In shopping for Honda Accords and Toyota Camrys with my brother a couple
of years ago, we saw about 15 cars.  4 of them had been repaired after
front-end crashes.  All were being sold by Eastern European persons.
2 had no airbags.  Sorry, but that's the way it is.

Up yours.

Floyd
deadmail@burnt.org.uk - 11 Apr 2005 19:35 GMT
"fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote in message
<115l01emt76r728@corp.supernews.com>:

><deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote
>> "fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>Up yours.

You do yourself proud, by your own figures:
- 'Eastern European persons' are as likely to replace the airbags as
not.  
- You've no data on the habits of people of other ethnic origins.

And you still don't think you look ignorant?

Oh, and by the way I'd wager your data was invented to support your
sweeping generalisation.
fbloogyudsr - 19 Apr 2005 23:34 GMT
<deadmail@burnt.org.uk> wrote
> "fbloogyudsr" <fbloogyudsr@nwlink.com> wrote
> Oh, and by the way I'd wager your data was invented to support your
> sweeping generalisation.

Wrong.  Now don't you look stupid.

Floyd
fbloogyudsr - 20 Apr 2005 15:59 GMT
> "John Burns" <john@unixnerd.demon.co.uk> wrote
>>> Lastly there is are 2 lights on the dash that I don't like, one is an
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> it is quite common for them *NOT* to replace the blown airbag, because
> they're expensive.  Be careful, look for front-end repair tell-tales.

Look, deadmail@burnt.org.uk, here's the REAL intent of my message,
which we have gone off-topic onto stupid postings (and the intent of
my posting was definitely *NOT* stupid).  BTW, it's protocol on Usenet
to sign with real names, not some bogus screen/email name.  I can't
address you properly because you've been too lazy to sign your posts.

If the car was in an accident that fired the airbag, and subsequently
repaired
or rebuilt - *often* the hallmark of low-end shops or someone trying to
eek out a living by buying "totaled" cars and making the look new -
the airbag *should* be replaced.  However, because they're expensive
(~ $500 or more), fly-by-night outfits with less than sterling morals
often omit their replacement.  This is a possible/likely indication of
a car that a buyer should be wary of.

Satisfied?

Now, as far as the E.Europe comments go, it is true that I made
a generalization from small sample.  A *better* comment would
be something like:  "Many recent immigrants seem to be involved
in rebuilding totaled autos, and some percentage of this industry
is without normal morals, or reflect the (different) morals of their
heritage, which are different than the morals that have evolved
in the US.  It is likely that there is a higher percentage of recent
immigrants involved in the shadier parts of the rebuilding of
salvaged automobiles than the general US population.  IME of
looking at Honda and Toyota cars with my brother, many of the
cars that we saw that had been re-built were owned by recent
immigrants, and both that were missing airbags were owned
by E.Europeans (apparently Russian or other former USSR/
Soviet-bloc)."

Satisfied?

Floyd
Dave Plowman (News) - 10 Apr 2005 10:11 GMT
> Secondly at 50-65 mph I was getting bad steering wheel wobble. This may
> be only wheel balancing but could it be something more expensive?

Yes. The most likely cause is worn radius arm bushes. Happens at around
70,000 miles with most.

> I asked about this and he claims it has only started since adding new
> 17" alloys which he got from the net.

Most would have had 'new' wheels balanced before fitting them?

> I have asked him to get the
> balance checked before I will be interested. Lastly there is are 2
> lights on the dash that I don't like, one is an air bag light that does
> not go out,he claims it just needs reset!

The only way he could be sure is if he'd had it checked by a dealer. And
that check would include a reset, which is a dealer job. So I'd be
cautious.

> and the other I have never seen before. It is next to the ASC tell tell
> light which comes on when ASC is off and is a yellow picture of a car
> with and up and down arrow in the middle.In the manual it mentions auto
> ride height adjustment and a fault light but does not show it.. Does
> this light refer to this? Does this mean there is a fault with the ride
> height system?

That's what warning lights usually mean. ;-)

Buying a car with faults such as these is a gamble. Prudence would say
they haven't been fixed because of the cost, and that's why it's being
sold.

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joanne fee - 10 Apr 2005 13:31 GMT
. It is next to the ASC tell tell
>> light which comes on when ASC is off and is a yellow picture of a car
>> with and up and down arrow in the middle.In the manual it mentions auto
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Yes, what i ment to say is what does this light mean? Is it indicating a
> fault on the self levelling suspension or mearly that it is on?.
Dave Plowman (News) - 10 Apr 2005 14:14 GMT
> >> light which comes on when ASC is off and is a yellow picture of a car
> >> with and up and down arrow in the middle.In the manual it mentions
> >> auto ride height adjustment and a fault light but does not show it..
> >> Does this light refer to this? Does this mean there is a fault with
> >> the ride height system?

> > That's what warning lights usually mean. ;-)

> Yes, what i ment to say is what does this light mean? Is it indicating
> a fault on the self levelling suspension or mearly that it is on?.

I don't have self levelling suspension, but every other warning light is
there to indicate other than the norm. Even main beam and fog lights, etc.

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