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Car Forum / BMW Cars / May 2006Asbestos in BMW brake pads?
Is there asbestos in the parking brake pads on a '86 BMW 323i (disc brakes all around). If so, is it necessary to take any special precautions, or is it not enough to make a difference? Thanks, Ulf  Signatureulf.cc Just don't breathe the dust. If you can manage to do the job without stirring up the dust, you shouldn't have anything to sorry about. If you can't do it without stirring up the dust, then you can wear a dust shield. Either way, there isn't much to be concerned with doing your own brakes. If you were doing brakes all day long, day after day, week after week for years, then you would need to worry about taking in brake dust. > Is there asbestos in the parking brake pads on a '86 BMW 323i (disc brakes > all around). If so, is it necessary to take any special precautions, or is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ulf > Just don't breathe the dust. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > brakes all day long, day after day, week after week for years, then you > would need to worry about taking in brake dust. Well, I did the brakes last weekend, so it's too late now. The reason I'm asking is that I felt a bit funny afterwards, so it would be nice to know if it was from breathing asbestos, or just ordinary dust. Of course, I did go over the brakes with a steel wire brush to remove all the rust, which maybe wasn't that smart... I'm okay now though. >> Is there asbestos in the parking brake pads on a '86 BMW 323i (disc >> brakes all around). If so, is it necessary to take any special [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Ulf Ulf Signatureulf.cc > > Just don't breathe the dust. > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I'm okay now though. The dust isn't going to kill you on the spot. It takes years for it to have an effect. When I was a kid, before they found out that asbestos was a bad thing, we had that crap all around us, and we lived to tell about it. The trouble is, it is known to cause cancer, so they gathered it all up so we wouldn't be surrounded by it anymore. If you breathe a little, it won't hurt you. If you made sheets from it, and slept with it for years, then it would do some serious harm. > The dust isn't going to kill you on the spot. It takes years for it to > have an effect. When I was a kid, before they found out that asbestos > was a bad thing, we had that crap all around us, and we lived to tell > about it. The trouble is, it is known to cause cancer, so they gathered > it all up so we wouldn't be surrounded by it anymore. If you breathe a > little, it won't hurt you. I'd be careful about that comment. Some types of asbestos cling to the lungs and stay there for ever. They won't cause immediate problems, but may in the future. Signature*How many roads must a man travel down before he admits he is lost? Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> Just don't breathe the dust. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > I'm okay now though. Breathing asbestos dust is about as dangerous as smoking a sigarette. If you do it daily for a lifetime you'll die of lung cancer. In most countries they haven't put asbestos in brakes for many years, but if you remove old ones sometimes you don't know how long they've been on the car for so there could be a risk. I work in banking and insurance and have had more than half a dozen clients die from asbestos related illness and am currently dealing with another who is about to. It is considerably more dangerous than smoking a cigarette, as just one exposure can be enough to kill you over time, as happened with one of my clients last year (it took about 15 years though). If you smoke a cigarette your body can get rid of most if not all of the pollutants you put into your lungs from the cigarette, but dust and fibres from asbestos tend to lodge in there permanently and can give you lung cancer, especially if you also smoke Personally, although I don't wear a seatbelt or a proper motorbike helmet and keep loaded guns in the house, smoke dope and drink full-fat milk, I always take precautions when dealing with asbestos or anything that looks like it after having seen what it can do. Steve >>> Just don't breathe the dust. >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Breathing asbestos dust is about as dangerous as smoking a sigarette. If > you do it daily for a lifetime you'll die of lung cancer. Old msg, but if the OP is out there, I'm curious. >In most countries they haven't put asbestos in brakes for many years, but if >you remove old ones sometimes you don't know how long they've been on the >car for so there could be a risk. Doesn't some after market still have it, like the really cheap ones? >I work in banking and insurance and have had more than half a dozen clients >die from asbestos related illness and am currently dealing with another who >is about to. >It is considerably more dangerous than smoking a cigarette, as just one >exposure can be enough to kill you over time, as happened with one of my >clients last year (it took about 15 years though). If you smoke a cigarette How bad would an exposure have to be to kill you with only ONE time?! As far as the "type", I believe it's the micron size of the fibers. I can't remember if bigger or smaller is worse though. I remember something about 1micron vs 3micron, but it's been a long time since I did the research. I have no idea which type is brakes, what's insulation, shipyards, etc. I do remember that the crap is actually a naturally occurring substance, and is mined. It's also not a real hot idea to live near one if you have a choice. I've heard of "unexplained" increased incidence of cancers, since it's even bad if it gets into the groundwater - if that's where the area's drinking water comes from. >your body can get rid of most if not all of the pollutants you put into your >lungs from the cigarette, but dust and fibres from asbestos tend to lodge in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >always take precautions when dealing with asbestos or anything that looks >like it after having seen what it can do. I'm with you on that. I have no problem with fairly quantifiable risks that have some benefit (like fun, comfort, taste), but unnecessary crap like asbestos pisses me off. As for loaded guns, what's the point if they're NOT loaded I always say! Is the burglar going to wait a min. while you load it?! >Steve > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> Breathing asbestos dust is about as dangerous as smoking a sigarette. If >> you do it daily for a lifetime you'll die of lung cancer. -- _____________________________________________________ Drivin a 94 BMW 325is w/sport. For email response, or CC, please email see.my.sig.4.addr-a@t-bigfoot.com. Yeah, it's really a real address :) > >I work in banking and insurance and have had more than half a dozen > >clients die from asbestos related illness and am currently dealing > >with another who is about to. It is considerably more dangerous than > >smoking a cigarette, as just one exposure can be enough to kill you > >over time, as happened with one of my clients last year (it took about > >15 years though). If you smoke a cigarette > How bad would an exposure have to be to kill you with only ONE time?! > As far as the "type", I believe it's the micron size of the fibers. I > can't remember if bigger or smaller is worse though. I remember [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > increased incidence of cancers, since it's even bad if it gets into the > groundwater - if that's where the area's drinking water comes from. IIRC, the type used in brakes is not the dangerous one. Underground stations used to be full of the stuff from the train brakes, with millions of people breathing it in twice daily for years. Signature*Too many clicks spoil the browse * Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. > > >I work in banking and insurance and have had more than half a dozen > > >clients die from asbestos related illness and am currently dealing [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > -- Is the OP confusing *brake dust* with asbestos? Its widely known that All TUV pads, including all OE BMW pads, are required to have GRAPHITE in them, and the reason why Pagid, Jurid, Textar and other TUV approved German pads are so dusty. This heavy black brake dust should not be confused with asbestos. > > IIRC, the type used in brakes is not the dangerous one. Underground > > stations used to be full of the stuff from the train brakes, with > > millions of people breathing it in twice daily for years. > Is the OP confusing *brake dust* with asbestos? Its widely known that > All TUV pads, including all OE BMW pads, are required to have GRAPHITE > in them, and the reason why Pagid, Jurid, Textar and other TUV approved > German pads are so dusty. This heavy black brake dust should not be > confused with asbestos. Brake pads used to contain asbestos, but IIRC it was banned from this use about 20 years ago in the EU. Other countries might still allow it, but it's presumably illegal to import such pads to a country which has banned it? Signature*A closed mouth gathers no feet. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. Oh, I dunno... Still the view from up here in heaven is pretty nice... Former Undergound Commuter... For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > IIRC, the type used in brakes is not the dangerous one. Underground > stations used to be full of the stuff from the train brakes, with millions > of people breathing it in twice daily for years. [...] > Old msg, but if the OP is out there, I'm curious. > > On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:46:36 +1200, "Tbird-Steve" ? > >I work in banking and insurance and have had more than half a dozen clients > >die from asbestos related illness and am currently dealing with another who [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > How bad would an exposure have to be to kill you with only ONE time?! Prolonged asbestos dust inhalation causes a particular asbestos related disease - it's not as hit-and-miss as smoking. Interestingly I notice that BMW part numbers for some brake pads and shoes are diffeernt for the UK market. > Prolonged asbestos dust inhalation causes a particular asbestos related > disease - it's not as hit-and-miss as smoking. It really depends on the type - some are extremely dangerous, others not so. Signature*Save a tree, eat a beaver* Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. >> Prolonged asbestos dust inhalation causes a particular asbestos related >> disease - it's not as hit-and-miss as smoking. > > It really depends on the type - some are extremely dangerous, others not > so. Good to know. I'm still alive, a year later, so the dust couldn't have been that bad... :-) Ulf > Is there asbestos in the parking brake pads on a '86 BMW 323i (disc > brakes all around). If so, is it necessary to take any special > precautions, or is it not enough to make a difference? There *might* be depending on the country. But breathing in *any* dust is stupid. Signature*Red meat is not bad for you. Fuzzy green meat is bad for you. Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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