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Car Forum / BMW Cars / June 2005

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E39iAT transmission

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Johan Karl Larsen - 10 Jun 2005 10:23 GMT
1997 E39 528iAT (BX31513)

Sometimes my automatic transmission behaves a bit strange. It will only
happen when I accelerate on a slight uphill road. One out of two things can
happen, ruff gearshift or the transmission takes far to long to decide to
shift gear. Usually I help it a long and shift manually, but if I wait long
enough it will eventually change. It doesn't happen often, once or twice a
month. Should I worry about it? Massive failure in progress?

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R. Mark Clayton - 10 Jun 2005 12:29 GMT
> 1997 E39 528iAT (BX31513)
>
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> long enough it will eventually change. It doesn't happen often, once or
> twice a > month.

I don't think BMW auto boxes are bug free.  My 740i has a little hazard /
race that if you have eased off (~40 - 50mph), and then you press the
accelerator again just as the box is shifting up there is something of a
hesitation and then a pretty large thump as it re-engages the bands for the
gear you were just in either without missing a few beats or (as happened the
first time) and I lifted off just as it was changing up having an extended
hiccup causing sharp deceleration.

> Should I worry about it?

Not a lot.

> Massive failure in progress?

unlikely.

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> Johan
Johan Karl Larsen - 10 Jun 2005 13:37 GMT
> I don't think BMW auto boxes are bug free.  My 740i has a little hazard /
> race that if you have eased off (~40 - 50mph), and then you press the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> happened the first time) and I lifted off just as it was changing up
> having an extended hiccup causing sharp deceleration.

It is the opposite of kick down, this is when rpm picks up and gearbox
should shift to a higher gear (numberwise), most often from 2nd to 3rd. Even
if I ease on the accelerator while rpm is around 4-5000, it won't shift.
Tried moving the stick back and forth between automatic and sport mode but
it still won't shift. Whenever this happen I must shift manually or wait
10-15 seconds (revs running high) before a higher # gear is engaged.

Heard some talk about a pressure valve or box low on (old) fluid.
Comments...

Had a readout an hour ago. Looks like this problem has occurred 17 times
altogether since car was new 8 years ago!!! it is getting old :-(

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Johan
R. Mark Clayton - 10 Jun 2005 14:54 GMT
> It is the opposite of kick down, this is when rpm picks up and gearbox
> should shift to a higher gear (numberwise), most often from 2nd to 3rd.
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> Johan

This is a different fault to what I thought and sounds hydraulic.

1. In normal / economy mode the electronics decide the shifts, and it is odd
that they still don't happen.

2. In sport mode the box is AIUI hydraulic, so the change should happen
anyway (OTOH the change from say 3rd to 4th or 4th to 5th (depending how
many gears you have) may not occur to 90 and not at all going uphill.

It sounds like that there is not enough pressure in the part of the
hydraulics that determines the change.  Reasons could include: -

low gearbox oil
well used (so thin) gearbox oil
burnt or contaminated gearbox oil (e.g. from burnt bands resulting from
towing)
worn pumping mechanism
leakage from galleries in the hydraulic change mechanism

if the car is high mileage I should consider having the gearbox oil checked
and probably changed.
 
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