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hey everyone I'm from Croatia (europe) and I'm just wondering, what are the gas prices at where *you* live? here the average gas price is somewhat less than $1.50 per liter. and....they predict it's gonna be close to $2 a liter next year... I'm driving a bmw 320i e30 ....having avg consumption about 11-12l/100km, this looks like a problem :( Filip > hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > driving a bmw 320i e30 ....having avg consumption about 11-12l/100km, this > looks like a problem :( In Holland, gasoline is about EUR 1.30 a liter, which is $1.57. (Incidentally, that's almost $6.00 to the gallon) >> hey everyone >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >In Holland, gasoline is about EUR 1.30 a liter, which is $1.57. >(Incidentally, that's almost $6.00 to the gallon) Depends on what place in holland, where i live: 1.39,9 (1,40) btw my 325 e36 driver 10L/100Km Which gallon? (I suppose I could work it out from your numbers...) DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > (Incidentally, that's almost $6.00 to the gallon) > Which gallon? (I suppose I could work it out from your numbers...) Looks like the US gallon (3.785 liter). Pete Your fuel consumption is fair for commuting. If it is a manual and you take it on the open road and keep it steady below 120km/h, you should be able to get almost 9l/100km. If not, have it dyno tuned. It improved my power and consumption by 15%. Ignition timing was too retarded. Your gas price seems a bit high already, in South Africa it is currently still under $1 per litre. MW > hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Filip > Your fuel consumption is fair for commuting. If it is a manual and you take > it on the open road and keep it steady below 120km/h, you should be able to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > MW well the car is stick...i drive it normally, sometimes fast. so 11-12 is what I expected. On open road about 10. but....you mentioned retarded ignition...usually when i start my car...first just insert key and turn it for control check and lights, when i start it - it usually takes him 2 seconds to start...i find that a bit retarded, every other car i had, started immediatelly when i turned the key to ignition... any advices? 10l/100 is ok. If you want to get better than that with a 320 e30, you need to be a very economical driver. Most people just can't do it! Don't bother with a dyno if you can still get that kind of consumption. My best was 11.5l/100 before the dyno. Fast ignition timing, will give you better consumption and power at speed, but will cause pinging when you pull away with low revs. This does not bother me. If your timing is retarded, you get a nice pull away with no pinging but the engine has no power at high revs. That was my experience with my 320 at least. Regards MW >> Your fuel consumption is fair for commuting. If it is a manual and you > take [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > any advices? > 10l/100 is ok. If you want to get better than that with a 320 e30, you need > to be a very economical driver. Most people just can't do it! [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Regards > MW I dunno. I'm satisfied with my engine's strength at both low and high rpms. it's a 1988, and i managed to drive it about 205kmh a couple of weeks ago, and I find it fast for a 320i. And about pinging - you mean like little pulls during low revs? it only happens to me just when i start the car, for the first 5-6 seconds i drive off. after that, it drives normally. Tomorrow I will maybe sell the car. I'm gonna go to the car fair (like a big selling yard) and if I get more money than I paid for (possible 'cause i bought it *very* cheaply), I'm gonna sell it and buy an e34. (525 hopefully) sorry for the offtopic. Filip 1 US$ litre. Country: Chile. 10Lt/100Km  SignatureDon Corleone Mercedes Benz 190e 2.3 negro "The best or nothing" www.fotolog.cl/don_corleone "Disfruto conduciendo, no ahorrando 10.000 pesos en cada estación de servicio." > hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Filip > hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > driving a bmw 320i e30 ....having avg consumption about 11-12l/100km, this > looks like a problem :( Southern California. As of 6-20 (my last fill) It was $2.399/gallon. or, $0.633/liter. I think that comes out to 0.529 EUR per Liter. Yeah, and Americans STILL bitch about "skyrocketing fuel prices!" I think we are just spoiled. Then again, everyone here has to have the biggest SUV or truck on the market. Yeah, and > Americans STILL bitch about "skyrocketing fuel prices!" I think we are just > spoiled. Then again, everyone here has to have the biggest SUV or truck on > the market. my thoughts EXACTLY :)) man, you must have the biggest SUVs in the world! I once saw a Dodge Ram, I couldn't believe that it's actually a "normal car" there (us) :)) > Yeah, and >> Americans STILL bitch about "skyrocketing fuel prices!" I think we are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > once saw a Dodge Ram, I couldn't believe that it's actually a "normal car" > there (us) :)) Parents will GIVE a Dodge ram 4x4 to their 16 year old kid here as soon as they get their license. A mother will drive a Ford Excursion with two kids in the back to soccer practice. Its crazy! I would love to see some report come out to show the national average fuel economy for the countries around the world. Then, when the US comes in at the very bottom of the list with 12mpg or less, then the American Public MIGHT change a little (as the rest of the world laughs at us!) Yes, I have a Dodge Dakota, Yes, it has a 5.2 liter V8, I drive it about 2000 miles a year.The other 10,000 miles take place on a motorcycle. Be thankful for those of us that don't live in Norway and have to pay the last I heard $6.67 a gallon! I"ve always been anti-smart but.................. >>Yeah, and >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > liter V8, I drive it about 2000 miles a year.The other 10,000 miles take > place on a motorcycle. How trendy to bash US drivers because there are a fraction that waste fuel. Can you say - Generalization? I am 100% certain that the average US driver does not get 12 mpg. I mean come-on, I get that if I drive my Explorer w/ 5.0L V8 pulling my boat trailer, which is almost all the mileage that car gets. The rest of the time I drive one of my cars, which all get 24 mpg or better. Are there people in the US that drive gigantic SUVs everyday. No doubt there are... but (thankfully) they are a small minority. If anyone really wanted to see signs of fuel gluttony, look around you at all of the other vehicles, even the 40mpg "econo-boxes" the next time you are in your daily commute. Almost every one of those cars has a single person in it. Even a Dodge Ram can get better efficiency than a one of the ultra mileage economy cars if we haul 3 or 4 people in one. But I personally probably use less fuel than 98% of vehicle owners worldwide, and I'm a motorhead auto enthusiast. How so? My commute is via the internet. I don't even have to share the fuel use that the bus or commuter train burns. -Fred W >>>Yeah, and >>> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > -Fred W If I could, I would walk to work. As for your comment about the dodge ram getting better mileage per person, basically (if they car pooled) Well, I will take that one even further. The 22 freeway (near my house) is serving about 200,000 cars per day, and most of them, as you say, have one person in them. If all the commuters shared their car with one other person, then there would be close to half that number of cars on the freeway, That would be that many fewer cars to fill the freeway and that much less traffic. With the less traffic, there is a higher average speed. going from an average of 30 mph to 60 mph, the cars would be able to run at a steady speed (which is more fuel efficient) and the cars would be able to run in over drive, running the engine at a lower RPM for its speed, compared to 30... My truck for example, it has the in car gas mileage read out, at 30 mph, I get about 8-10 mpg, if I am going 65, I get 16-18 mpg. Come to OC some time, Yes, there are a lot of smaller economy-type cars, but I would say the trucks and SUV are the majority here. >>>Americans STILL bitch about "skyrocketing fuel prices!" I think we are >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > in the back to soccer practice. Its crazy! I would love to see some report > come out to show the national average fuel economy for the countries around What I don't get is this: Every time people talk about SUVs or oversized trucks, the standard example is the "soccer moms" using them: moms driving their kids to soccer practice, and how nuts that is (which it is). The question is: with the proliferation of soccer moms and their SUVs and all the soccer practice going on in the US, how come US soccer sucks? > The question is: with the proliferation of soccer moms and their SUVs and > all the soccer practice going on in the US, how come US soccer sucks? ROTFL:)))) Anax >>>>Americans STILL bitch about "skyrocketing fuel prices!" I think we are >>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > The question is: with the proliferation of soccer moms and their SUVs and > all the soccer practice going on in the US, how come US soccer sucks? Because its not soccer!! its Day care for the kids while the moms run errands... Like, getting their hair and nails done. Also, the term 'soccer mom' does not just pertain to soccer. its more along the lines of the 'active mom' that has her Chauffeur hat on. Soccer, baseball, hockey, football, basket ball... what ever it is. Its often a mom in a Chevy or GMC Suburban. (now a Yukon XL or H2) That just drives around all day with her vehicle mostly empty. It may not suck that much longer. 1) I heard it's the most widely-played sport at school level. 2) The Hispanics are mad about it. It's just that the US pro world has to be persuaded that football (the real one) is the Beautiful Game.... DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > The question is: with the proliferation of soccer moms and their SUVs and > all the soccer practice going on in the US, how come US soccer sucks? > It may not suck that much longer. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It's just that the US pro world has to be persuaded that football (the real > one) is the Beautiful Game.... Maybe if "soccer" introduced chearleaders? > DAS > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>The question is: with the proliferation of soccer moms and their SUVs and >>all the soccer practice going on in the US, how come US soccer sucks? Hey, that's an idea! Trouble is, they may introduce advertising and cheer-leading breaks every 10 minutes... DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > Maybe if "soccer" introduced chearleaders? [...] > What I don't get is this: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The question is: with the proliferation of soccer moms and their SUVs > and all the soccer practice going on in the US, how come US soccer sucks? Easy... the kids form other countries have to walk (or run) miles t get to their soccer pitches, and that's half of their conditioning. -Fred W >> What I don't get is this: >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > -Fred W OMG, how can they survive without air conditioning, and a Starbucks Frapucchino after practice? "Peter Bozz" <spam@rama.com> wrote > The question is: with the proliferation of soccer moms and their SUVs > and all the soccer practice going on in the US, how come US soccer sucks? Is being rated 8-10 in the world sucking? Not the last I heard. And, if the US sucks, why did the U20 team beat Argentina and Egypt and tie Deutschland before losing to Italy? And why is the US's Women's team rated 1st? Floyd >> The question is: with the proliferation of soccer moms and their SUVs >> and all the soccer practice going on in the US, how come US soccer sucks? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > tie Deutschland before losing to Italy? And why is the US's Women's > team rated 1st? I assume U20 is "under twenty"? If they are indeed kicking a.s, then the soccer moms have served their purpose: a new generation of top notch soccer players is emerging from the US. Anyway, just I checked the Fifa World Football (yes, that's "soccer") Rankings: teh U Ess of A is ranked 10th! I might have to retract that "sucks" statement. Sorry... Old prejudices die the hardest. >>> The question is: with the proliferation of soccer moms and their SUVs >>> and all the soccer practice going on in the US, how come US soccer [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Rankings: teh U Ess of A is ranked 10th! I might have to retract that > "sucks" statement. Sorry... Old prejudices die the hardest. Yeah, the US (men - the women have been on top for most of the history of international women's soccer ;-> ) have inched up over the last 5 years. They're not quite ready to bid for a WC, however, let alone win one. Floyd (soccer dad) > Yeah, and >> Americans STILL bitch about "skyrocketing fuel prices!" I think we are [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > once saw a Dodge Ram, I couldn't believe that it's actually a "normal car" > there (us) :)) Here flip, this one is for you! This is what a typical parking lot looks like. the Groceries store, the local High school, College, doesn't matter. I took this pic in the Disneyland Parking lot. Every row looked just about like that. http://www.socalrider.net/2005/Trucks.jpg > Here flip, this one is for you! This is what a typical parking lot looks > like. the Groceries store, the local High school, College, doesn't matter. I > took this pic in the Disneyland Parking lot. Every row looked just about > like that. > http://www.socalrider.net/2005/Trucks.jpg My God..... what is with you people....soon it's gonna become popular for each person to drive a Bus of it's own! :D Nice pic...shame it was dark/stuffy though >> Here flip, this one is for you! This is what a typical parking lot looks >> like. the Groceries store, the local High school, College, doesn't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Nice pic...shame it was dark/stuffy though Yeah, my camera is getting old and doesnt take well to odd lighting situations. I see a Canon 20D (with the L series 28-300 lens) and a Canon SD500 in my future! > Yeah, my camera is getting old and doesnt take well to odd lighting > situations. I see a Canon 20D (with the L series 28-300 lens) and a Canon > SD500 in my future! That's what my son has; awesome camera and lenses. Floyd >> Yeah, my camera is getting old and doesnt take well to odd lighting >> situations. I see a Canon 20D (with the L series 28-300 lens) and a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Floyd Yes they are nice... but talk about $$$$$$$$$$ well, at least for my budget ;-) >>Here flip, this one is for you! This is what a typical parking lot looks >>like. the Groceries store, the local High school, College, doesn't matter. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Nice pic...shame it was dark/stuffy though That's probably because the picture was taken in a parking garage in the section that they send the large vehicles to. You can't fit these big trucks in the same sized spaces as regular cars. -Fred W > > My God..... what is with you people....soon it's gonna become popular for > > each person to drive a Bus of it's own! :D [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > -Fred W So wait, if I understand you properly you found a bunch of large vehicles in the large vehicle section? what are the odds of that? Matt >> > My God..... what is with you people....soon it's gonna become popular > for [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Matt Actually, they park the big trucks outside. Even given that is IS an "over sized" parking lot. how many trucks of this size do you see, period, in your area? > >> That's probably because the picture was taken in a parking garage in the > >> section that they send the large vehicles to. You can't fit these big [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > sized" parking lot. how many trucks of this size do you see, period, in your > area? There aren't all that many, really, though I live half an hour from the city, so most of the people around that drive trucks do so because they need them for their buisinesses, etc. The distance from common destinations is such that fuel economy is more important. I drive 30k+ miles per year, so fuel costs are a significant part of my budget. My miles are split between a Dodge 3500 Van and my 318is. Here in upstate NY gas is about $2.25/gal. > > Yeah, and > >> Americans STILL bitch about "skyrocketing fuel prices!" I think we are > > just > >> spoiled. Then again, everyone here has to have the biggest SUV or truck > >> on > >> the market. I saw a report that said one out of every two vehicles sold in California last year was either an oversize truck or an SUV. California has not built a new petroleum refinery in 25 years, the few they have are stretched beyond capacity. Whenever there is a proposal to build a new refinery, however, the local people shout "NIMBY!!" (Not In MY Back Yard!) Then they bitch about the high price of gas. . . . Hummers and Hummer IIs are becoming very popular in our area (Central Kentucky) and some families are getting modified Ford panel trucks to run the kiddies to soccer lessons, and pick up milk at the store. It is REALLY getting out of hand. > hey everyone > > I'm from Croatia (europe) and I'm just wondering, what are the gas prices > at > where *you* live? Poland, 1 euro/L but I've LPG installation so I pay 0,425 eurocents/L >I'm > driving a bmw 320i e30 ....having avg consumption about 11-12l/100km, this > looks like a problem :( I've the same car, consumption in the city:14 (lpg) outside the city;10-11 lpg and I do not drive slowly;) we have to remember that car with lpg has about 20% bigger consumption than on normal fuel Anax > > hey everyone > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > on normal fuel > Anax under LPG i presume you're speakin about liquid gas, the one that comes in those orange iron bottles and is used for stoves...of course, the one you use in your car is specially modified installation for cars. it consumes about a liter more, but that liter is almost twice as cheaper than regular gas. >> > hey everyone >> > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > about a liter more, but that liter is almost twice as cheaper than regular > gas. What kind of range do you get on a fill? how easy is it to find a filling station for it? > What kind of range do you get on a fill? i don't understand:( > how easy is it to find a filling station for it? in poland, very easy, on every street. germany, it's more difficult but possible. holland-no problem, france- possible, lithuania- no problem. Anax > >> > hey everyone > >> > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > What kind of range do you get on a fill? how easy is it to find a filling > station for it? there are stations for it, but not that much of 'em. something like the avg. about 3 per city. > there are stations for it, but not that much of 'em. something like the > avg. > about 3 per city. but which country? in poland we have 3 on one street:) every petrol station has also lpg Anax > > there are stations for it, but not that much of 'em. something like the > > avg. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > every petrol station has also lpg > Anax croatia, i wrote somewhere before At a $1.50 per liter, that works out to nearly $6.00 per gallon. Most of that is road tax though, and we pay our road taxes differently than you do. Our -- USA -- gas is about $2.50 per gallon in California. > hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Filip > At a $1.50 per liter, that works out to nearly $6.00 per gallon. Most of > that is road tax though, and we pay our road taxes differently than you do. > Our -- USA -- gas is about $2.50 per gallon in California. Well, in addition to paying $1.00 for a liter of diesel (ie $3.80 a gallon), I pay $100 a month in road tax. (Diesel costs less at the pump, but private vehicles are taxed more.) What's the road tax in California? >> At a $1.50 per liter, that works out to nearly $6.00 per gallon. Most of >> that is road tax though, and we pay our road taxes differently than you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > What's the road tax in California? something interesting... old, but interesting. http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000707020792/ Ahh, here we go. http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html This would explain why so many roads here are in such poor condition. (according to this site http://www.transportationca.com/recent_news/hidden_tax.shtml) Another interesting link.. a little old, and rather idealistic, but entertaining. http://www.wematter.com/cagastax/ To answer your question. I think its just a little over 50 cents a gallon. Or less then 25% of what most other countries charge for tax on it. > > At a $1.50 per liter, that works out to nearly $6.00 per gallon. Most of > > that is road tax though, and we pay our road taxes differently than you do. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > What's the road tax in California? It comes from several sources, income taxes and property tax that make it to the General Fund are the primary sources. Then, we have sales tax that when generated from gasoline sales gets sent to the road department. We have sales tax on lots of stuff, generally non-food items, but not always. Anyway, the sales tax is different in different counties -- I suppose a township would be an equivelent level of government -- but it hovers right around 8% statewide. When the sales tax is derived from fuel sales, then those tax dollars go to transportation projects. >>>At a $1.50 per liter, that works out to nearly $6.00 per gallon. Most of >>>that is road tax though, and we pay our road taxes differently than you [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > around 8% statewide. When the sales tax is derived from fuel sales, then > those tax dollars go to transportation projects. It doesn't seem then that you have a flat rate "road tax" as they do here (next to all the other sundry taxes, such as property, sales, income, etc....) By this I mean, you pay road tax for every vehicle you own, every month, regardless of whether you actually drive it. You can keep your beautiful convertible garaged for nine months a year and only drive it three, but you still pay twelve months of road tax. The only way to avoid paying the tax for a car that you never drive, is to hand back your registration. But then you won't be able to drive it that one time a year when the weather is fine. This is, of course, preposterous, but it helps keep the number of cars down -- I, for one, do not keep a second vehicle (say a beautiful 1988 Saab 900 for recreational driving on weekends), exactly because of the flat rate road tax. > >>>At a $1.50 per liter, that works out to nearly $6.00 per gallon. Most of > >>>that is road tax though, and we pay our road taxes differently than you [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Saab 900 for recreational driving on weekends), exactly because of the > flat rate road tax. Well, not exactly. We don't pay a road tax, specifically -- with the exception of the sales tax of 8 cents on the dollar of fuel purchases. All of the other road funding comes from the state general fund and from federal income tax dollars that manage to drift back down the funding pipeline. It doesn't matter that one owns 1 car or 5, he pays the same in taxes. The obvious exception would be that the guy that owns 5 cars has a higher income - arguably - and therefore pays more income tax. But assuming equal income, everybody pays the same tax except that high mileage drivers will buy more gas and therefore the sales tax they pay will be a greater dollar amount. If a car gets filled with gas, then is parked for 9 months or gets used everyday, it pays the same in taxes for that particular fill up. In any event, we pay considerably less fuel tax than Europeans pay, this is why we have Suburbans and Hummers trolling the highways, and you guys find a way to make due with Geo Metros and other micro minis that Americans do not seem to tolerate very well. The argument has long been that if we paid the same fuel taxes that you pay, we would change the way we drive. I drive a 3 Series as a daily driver, my wife gets by nicely with a Mazda minivan, my daughter has a Toyota truck, and we keep a Jeep in the side yard for weekend driving. As you can see, I keep several cars around and don't worry much about paying road taxes. In western Europe at least we all pay a tax that allows us to put the car on the road. The annual sum and way of calculating it varies substantially across the countries. In Britain we display a tax disc on the windscreen as evidence that we have paid. In Britain this tax and those on fuel were raised initially to pay for roads, but the link was broken decades ago and, of course, revenues far exceed the expensiture on roads. Peter Bozz's comment about paying for a car off the road for a long period do not necessarily apply across the board as in the UK we can deregister a car if it is kept on private ground. And did I not hear about seasonal registration in Germany? DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > Well, not exactly. We don't pay a road tax, specifically -- [...] > In western Europe at least we all pay a tax that allows us to put the car > on the road. in Poland we all hae it in fuel price. normally 1 Liter of fuel in production costs about 15Ecents, on gas station- 1 Euro. So 85 Ecents are taxes > we can deregister a car if it is kept on private ground. And did I not > hear about seasonal registration in Germany? it's not possible in poland:( actually you do not pay road tax but you have to pay car insurance no matter if you use your car or not. only old cars (more then 40 years) can have insurance not for whole year but just for part of it for exemple 1 month. I've also VW T2 westfalia camper (30 years old) which I use only for holidays but I have to pay insurance for whole year:((( Anax Subsuming the current road tax ("vehicle excise duty" in its present guise) into the fuel duties keeps getting raised as a discussion point in the UK. There are people who advocate this. We pay more than EUR 1 per litre excluding the road tax. However, wages in Poland are lower, so the price there is probably higher, pro rata, i.e. the effect on the pocket is greater. DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] > in Poland we all hae it in fuel price. normally 1 Liter of fuel in > production costs about 15Ecents, on gas station- 1 Euro. > So 85 Ecents are taxes [...] > In western Europe at least we all pay a tax that allows us to put the car on > the road. The annual sum and way of calculating it varies substantially [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > car if it is kept on private ground. And did I not hear about seasonal > registration in Germany? In the Netherlands, you *can* deregister a car if you don't keep it on the public road. But then you literally have to hand in your license plates -- Taxman is pretty tough that way. (We don't have tax discs or other visual markings indicating we've actually paid the due taxes.) So it's kind of a hassle. I haven't heard of seasonal registration here. Only cars older than 25 years are exempt from the road tax. So you can keep a 1979 convertible (or older) for "free". > DAS > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > [...] >>It doesn't seem then that you have a flat rate "road tax" as they do >>here (next to all the other sundry taxes, such as property, sales, [snip] > In any event, we pay considerably less fuel tax than Europeans pay, this is > why we have Suburbans and Hummers trolling the highways, and you guys find a > way to make due with Geo Metros and other micro minis that Americans do not > seem to tolerate very well. The argument has long been that if we paid the > same fuel taxes that you pay, we would change the way we drive. Logic dictates that, yes, you will. Chances are you'd be less likely to buy a Suburban than a Japanese minivan. That will keep the gasoline demand down a bit. But hey, it's your money. If you want to keep giving bundles of it to the Middle East, Venezuela and other place that the average American (and European) can't even find on the map, that's your prerogative. I hear the Burj Al Arab Hotel is a very expensive piece of architecture. > I drive a 3 Series as a daily driver, my wife gets by nicely with a Mazda > minivan, my daughter has a Toyota truck, and we keep a Jeep in the side yard > for weekend driving. As you can see, I keep several cars around and don't > worry much about paying road taxes. If you kept these cars in Holland, they would set you back at least $300+ a month (rough guestimation: the road tax on a diesel powered Land Cruiser alone is about $150 a month). And that's before you even drove a single mile with any of them. > >>It doesn't seem then that you have a flat rate "road tax" as they do > >>here (next to all the other sundry taxes, such as property, sales, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > And that's before you even drove a single mile with any of them. Geez, I hope you guys don't churn this into yet another reason to hate Americans. [snip] >>Logic dictates that, yes, you will. Chances are you'd be less likely to >>buy a Suburban than a Japanese minivan. That will keep the gasoline [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Geez, I hope you guys don't churn this into yet another reason to hate > Americans. By "this" do you mean the fact that you pay a lot less taxes on cars and fuel in the States? If so, then I believe the appropriate term here would be "jealousy".... > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > fuel in the States? If so, then I believe the appropriate term here > would be "jealousy".... A reasonable man would be jealous, a zealot would have fire in his eyes. Yet another reason to hate Americans. ;-) And I thought the right word would be "envy".... :-) DAS SignatureFor direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- [...] >> By "this" do you mean the fact that you pay a lot less taxes on cars and >> fuel in the States? If so, then I believe the appropriate term here [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Yet > another reason to hate Americans. ;-) > And I thought the right word would be "envy".... :-) > > DAS It's just that "envy" implies that I want to be like 'em. Which I don't really (no offense meant; I just like being European). >> Geez, I hope you guys don't churn this into yet another reason to hate >> Americans. > >By "this" do you mean the fact that you pay a lot less taxes on cars and >fuel in the States? If so, then I believe the appropriate term here >would be "jealousy".... "Jealous" because we have a populace and "leaders" who don't want to pay their bills? Who just it's just fine to borrow hundreds of $billion a year, and let future generations pay for their high-flying lifestyle? Sounds like a bunch of selfish a.sholes, to me. Just filled up the other day at a Canadian Tire gas bar here in Canada. The price was $1.08 per litre. Highway robbery. >hey everyone > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Filip SignatureAuto Lease Transfers and assumptions at Leasedwheels.com Don't moan and enjoy it while you can. Much of the world pays 2 - 2.5 times that. (Or were you being ironic?) DAS For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- > Just filled up the other day at a Canadian Tire gas bar here in Canada. > The > price was $1.08 per litre. Highway robbery. [...] Being as it takes approx. 3.785 litres to make one gallon(US) or 4.546 litres to make one gallon(UK), I'd say that $1.08 per litre is VERY expensive compared to what I've been paying. >Don't moan and enjoy it while you can. Much of the world pays 2 - 2.5 times >that. (Or were you being ironic?) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> price was $1.08 per litre. Highway robbery. >[...] |
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