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1994 E32 740iL total non-problem
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Bear - 01 Sep 2005 23:16 GMT I was called upon today to get from one meeting to another. The person I was attending with (a hospital director) has a company-provided, top of the range Mondeo (ST-whatever it is, the go-faster sort), but as I don't like being driven by people whose driving I don't know, I decided to drive myself. Being the friendly sort, I offered him a lift.
The first section of our drive is a 40-50-40-50 limit stretch, with loads of cameras in either direction. During this phase, I had to sit quietly and listen to a lecture on how modern Fords are much improved in build quality (they are, I've driven both Focus and Mondeo of late and they're *almost* up to Audi levels, though they do develop rattles with big miles), how they handle superbly (they track well, but lack the composure of a decent beemer), how auto boxes can never be truly "sporty", how fast Fords are much faster than BMWs on cross country roads, given that the E32 is the supertanker of the car world, and how behemoth saloons like mine are dinosaurs, and destined to demise. I declined to comment as the man is, after all, my work superior.
Turning off onto the back road section that would constitute the next 25 miles, I said only "the Jesus bar is located to your left", switched the 740 into sports mode on the box, and depressed the loud pedal about as far as it would go.
Thanks to JB's best efforts on the track control arm bush front (750 items fitted, and fitted superbly) and the track rods, it no longer tramps into corners when braking hard, and thanks to John Burns' confirmation of hub centre rings on the wheel wobble front, it no longer shakes its head at speed. I am, though I say it myself, no slouch as a driver, having been assessed to Class 1 level twice in the last 5 years, and proceeded to attempt to make up for the fact that we were 10 minutes late for a meeting only 30 minutes away.
We arrived 2 minutes late, with Mr Ford having been *totally* silent, apart from the occasional, under-his-breath "Jesus f.cking Christ", through our journey on some amazingly tight, twisty back lanes. The 740 performed superbly throughout, to the extent that I started to wind my previously verbose passenger up by lighting cigarettes mid corner, as well as changing CDs in the latter stages.
As we got out, he asked "how much does one of these cost?" I replied "How much do you *think* it costs?" ... came the breathless reply "got to be 5 to 7 thousand, minimum?" ... when I informed him the whole thing stood me in less than £2,500, his eyes went wider than you would think a human being's could ... "for *THAT*?! But it's a bloody *missile*!"
Much as with myself of late, I think we have a convert :)
Just thought I'd share that with you all.
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R. Mark Clayton - 01 Sep 2005 23:58 GMT I have one of these.
I was called upon today to get from one meeting to another. The person I was attending with (a hospital director) has a company-provided, top of the range Mondeo (ST-whatever it is, the go-faster sort), but as I don't like being driven by people whose driving I don't know, I decided to drive myself. Being the friendly sort, I offered him a lift.
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We arrived 2 minutes late, with Mr Ford having been *totally* silent, apart from the occasional, under-his-breath "Jesus f.cking Christ", through our journey on some amazingly tight, twisty back lanes. The 740 performed superbly throughout.
Well it would wouldn't it.
, to the extent that I started to wind my previously verbose passenger up by lighting cigarettes mid corner, as well as changing CDs in the latter stages.
Unlike you.
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and your rather immature driving...
Bear - 02 Sep 2005 00:27 GMT nospamclayton@btinternet.com R. Mark Clayton says...
> We arrived 2 minutes late, with Mr Ford having been *totally* silent, > apart from the occasional, under-his-breath "Jesus f.cking Christ", > through our journey on some amazingly tight, twisty back lanes. The 740 > performed superbly throughout. > > Well it would wouldn't it. One never knows til one tries.
> , to the extent that I started to wind my > previously verbose passenger up by lighting cigarettes mid corner, as > well as changing CDs in the latter stages. > > Unlike you. It's a common factor of those who can't that they criticise those who can.
> BMW 740iL - Stately progress for the mature gentleman > > and your rather immature driving... Thanks. It's what I strive for.
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Dean Dark - 02 Sep 2005 00:51 GMT >nospamclayton@btinternet.com R. Mark Clayton says... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Thanks. It's what I strive for. Why anyone driving a 10 year old BMW 7 that's worth next to nothing would yap on like you do beats the sh.t out of me. But if that's what floats your boat, then more power to you.
It seems to be a syndrome that's getting more common. Like the twat that buys an old Rolls Royce for five or ten grand, and thinks he's arrived, and that he's the dog's bollocks.
Just adding fuel to the fire, you understand.
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Bear - 02 Sep 2005 00:58 GMT ddrake@comcast.notthis.net Dean Dark says...
> >nospamclayton@btinternet.com R. Mark Clayton says... > > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > would yap on like you do beats the sh.t out of me. But if that's what > floats your boat, then more power to you. It does indeed float my boat. I should point out I've driven many more modern beemers, and found that anything after the E39 is a little bland, regardless of power; the electronics take over and the driving becomes formulaic.
> It seems to be a syndrome that's getting more common. Like the twat > that buys an old Rolls Royce for five or ten grand, and thinks he's > arrived, and that he's the dog's bollocks. I didn't say that at all, merely that I was genuinely impressed with how capable something so old could be. If you wish to infer that then that's your issue, not mine.
Are you suggesting all cars over 5 years old be scrapped?
> Just adding fuel to the fire, you understand. Well yes, why ever not?
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Dean Dark - 02 Sep 2005 01:08 GMT >> Why anyone driving a 10 year old BMW 7 that's worth next to nothing >> would yap on like you do beats the sh.t out of me. But if that's what [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >regardless of power; the electronics take over and the driving becomes >formulaic. And those old 7s are so *cheap* to buy, aren't they? It's so easy to ride around in one and pretend that - well, you can pretend whatever you want.
What are *you* pretending to be, if you don't mind me asking? Do you wear a lot of gold chains?
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Bear - 02 Sep 2005 01:15 GMT ddrake@comcast.notthis.net Dean Dark says...
> >> Why anyone driving a 10 year old BMW 7 that's worth next to nothing > >> would yap on like you do beats the sh.t out of me. But if that's what [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > And those old 7s are so *cheap* to buy, aren't they? They are indeed. The petrol "crisis" makes them the bargain of the century.
> It's so easy to > ride around in one and pretend that - well, you can pretend whatever > you want. > > What are *you* pretending to be, if you don't mind me asking? Do you > wear a lot of gold chains? I'm merely an enthusiast for older cars, for a time before traction control and electronic assistance, where the driver connects with the vehicle without the aid of several thousand pounds worth of computing power.
I actually thought you were going to debate the point, rather than make cheap personal remarks. More fool me. Welcome to the killfile, old bean.
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Dean Dark - 02 Sep 2005 01:32 GMT >I'm merely an enthusiast for older cars, for a time before traction >control and electronic assistance, where the driver connects with the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I actually thought you were going to debate the point, rather than make >cheap personal remarks. More fool me. Welcome to the killfile, old bean. The public "I killfile you" is the refuge of scoundrels and weak ones with no will or ability to defend their position. The one who really means it does it without saying so. People like you will *say* you have done so, but will continue to read.
The fact that you are reading this proves the point. No?
You can keep quiet about it, and pretend that you haven't read this though. No-one will know, or more importantly - be able to prove it. Your secret is safe!
Go out and buy another big old gold chain, why don't you. Twat.
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Dave Plowman (News) - 02 Sep 2005 10:42 GMT > I'm merely an enthusiast for older cars, for a time before traction > control and electronic assistance, where the driver connects with the > vehicle without the aid of several thousand pounds worth of computing > power. Surely a '94 E32 has ABS etc? EFI? ECU controlled gearbox?
Hardly a basic old car. ;-)
FWIW, the stability control on my E39 is brilliant. And it can be switched off anyway.
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Bear - 02 Sep 2005 10:53 GMT dave@davenoise.co.uk Dave Plowman (News) says...
> > I'm merely an enthusiast for older cars, for a time before traction > > control and electronic assistance, where the driver connects with the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > FWIW, the stability control on my E39 is brilliant. And it can be switched > off anyway. True, true ... maybe I was wrong about the gizmos. I just really like older cars :)
I'm terrified to go near it today; usually, the moment I write about how good anything is, it blows up.
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R. Mark Clayton - 02 Sep 2005 10:01 GMT >>> Why anyone driving a 10 year old BMW 7 that's worth next to nothing >>> would yap on like you do beats the sh.t out of me. But if that's what [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > And those old 7s are so *cheap* to buy, aren't they? Indeed - high petrol prices mean that large old cars are actually cheaper than their contempories in lower ranges due to faster depreciation. So a lot of car for very little money.
> It's so easy to > ride around in one and pretend that - well, you can pretend whatever > you want. I have one as well. In my case it is more that I don't make as much money as I used to (and bought ~3 year old ones), and that I am very tall so a 7 series suits me fine.
My issue was with his impolite driving aimed (it would appear) to frighten his passenger. All his guff about assistance - well 7'S have ABS, PS, often LSD and I haven't been able to get a manual since before 1989, although a very lucky mate of mine has a manual 645.
> What are *you* pretending to be, if you don't mind me asking? Do you > wear a lot of gold chains? dizzy - 03 Sep 2005 02:06 GMT >Indeed - high petrol prices mean that large old cars are actually cheaper >than their contempories in lower ranges due to faster depreciation. So a >lot of car for very little money. Heh. That silver lining. 8)
Somebody. - 02 Sep 2005 01:49 GMT I was called upon today to get from one meeting to another. The person I was attending with (a hospital director) has a company-provided, top of the range Mondeo (ST-whatever it is, the go-faster sort), but as I don't like being driven by people whose driving I don't know, I decided to drive myself. Being the friendly sort, I offered him a lift.
The first section of our drive is a 40-50-40-50 limit stretch, with loads of cameras in either direction. During this phase, I had to sit quietly and listen to a lecture on how modern Fords are much improved in build quality (they are, I've driven both Focus and Mondeo of late and they're *almost* up to Audi levels, though they do develop rattles with big miles), how they handle superbly (they track well, but lack the composure of a decent beemer), how auto boxes can never be truly "sporty", how fast Fords are much faster than BMWs on cross country roads, given that the E32 is the supertanker of the car world, and how behemoth saloons like mine are dinosaurs, and destined to demise. I declined to comment as the man is, after all, my work superior.
Turning off onto the back road section that would constitute the next 25 miles, I said only "the Jesus bar is located to your left", switched the 740 into sports mode on the box, and depressed the loud pedal about as far as it would go.
Thanks to JB's best efforts on the track control arm bush front (750 items fitted, and fitted superbly) and the track rods, it no longer tramps into corners when braking hard, and thanks to John Burns' confirmation of hub centre rings on the wheel wobble front, it no longer shakes its head at speed. I am, though I say it myself, no slouch as a driver, having been assessed to Class 1 level twice in the last 5 years, and proceeded to attempt to make up for the fact that we were 10 minutes late for a meeting only 30 minutes away.
We arrived 2 minutes late, with Mr Ford having been *totally* silent, apart from the occasional, under-his-breath "Jesus f.cking Christ", through our journey on some amazingly tight, twisty back lanes. The 740 performed superbly throughout, to the extent that I started to wind my previously verbose passenger up by lighting cigarettes mid corner, as well as changing CDs in the latter stages.
As we got out, he asked "how much does one of these cost?" I replied "How much do you *think* it costs?" ... came the breathless reply "got to be 5 to 7 thousand, minimum?" ... when I informed him the whole thing stood me in less than £2,500, his eyes went wider than you would think a human being's could ... "for *THAT*?! But it's a bloody *missile*!"
Much as with myself of late, I think we have a convert :)
Just thought I'd share that with you all.
 Signature Bear BMW 740iL - Stately progress for the mature gentleman
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Thanks for the story, I enjoyed it.
I also enjoy showing people, especially lifelone fans/devoteess of "Big Three" iron, what old bimmers are capable of also. It's fun to have a genuine automotive enthusiast experience that is totally out of proportion to the amount of dollars spent to achieve it.
-Russ.
Bear - 02 Sep 2005 02:14 GMT somebody.@spamout.russdoucet.com Somebody. says...
> Thanks for the story, I enjoyed it. No worries; I hoped someone might; it was more a public "thank you" for the many hours JB has spent on my pride and joy, and also to John Burns for his confirmation of the E39 alloys problem and solution; within 24 hours I'd sourced a fix, and the thing was 100% again [1]
> I also enjoy showing people, especially lifelone fans/devoteess of "Big > Three" iron, what old bimmers are capable of also. It's fun to have a > genuine automotive enthusiast experience that is totally out of proportion > to the amount of dollars spent to achieve it. Don't get me wrong; I'd love a little more to spend :)
I drove a late 750i sport about 5 years ago; my ex-boss' car and a perfect balance between gizmos and control. I don't need the extra rear leg room of the iL, but I can't currently afford the later sports model prices. But I've also driven 2 very recent M3s, and I can't help thinking BMW have lost their way a little; it was always a *driver's* car first and everything else second, and to me it gets no better than the 2nd and 3rd generation M5s; big saloons that transport 4 or 5 adults in comfort, while being huge fun when there's only the driver at the wheel.
For anyone lurking and wanting a 5 or 7 series; this is the time. People are freaking over petrol prices, and for anyone not doing huge mileages it's an ideal time to snap up a bargain. Go along armed with info, buy something that needs only a little work, then find someone talented and generous enough to give their time at cost to do it up :)
If I had the space I'd not sell this one; I'd add to the collection, but I'd keep the E32 7 Series as a shining example of how a car can be built; as a lifelong Jag nut, the handling (and durability of the ancillaries) is a revelation. There's just no comparison. Compared to the 4 litre XJ40 Sov I owned before, the beemer is tougher, handles *miles* better, gets similar mpg while delivering 50 bhp more, and doesn't break switchgear every 100 miles. And, thanks to eurocarparts, is actually cheaper to buy bits for!
[1] for anyone having problems of this nature in the UK, "Wheels UK" of Nuneaton, Warcs are a friendly, knowledgeable bunch who like beemer owners and will make sure you're sorted out for pennies (£25)
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